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Personal is Political: On what I eat

I posted a quick link a few weeks back to the new documentary Food Inc.

I finally got to see it last week. In one word, it left me nauseated.

Ever since reading Michael Pollan's book The Omnivore's Dilemma a few years back, I became much more interested in the politics of food. It made me think more about ingredient lists, industrialized agriculture and the mass production of meat.

Well Food Inc took the whole scenario to another level entirely. The visual element, coupled with a really wholistic view of how our highly industrialized food system is impacting us, really hit me. They hit on so many issues: health, poverty, worker's rights, immigration, environment, big business, government subsidies.

The way we eat is not a small problem. In fact, its connected to almost every other problem we work toward solving. The message of the movie is that you can make a difference, and what you choose to eat matters. I take that to heart, not just because of how it impacts my personal health, but how it might impact the health of my community, my environment, my economy.

I'm privileged. I live in a city with plentiful access to farmer's markets during most of the year. There are Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) options, as well as a few co-ops and other locally grown natural food options. After seeing this movie, I've recommitted to buying exclusively from these venues. I can do it, because I don't live in poverty and because I don't live in a food desert as some do. Others can't make this choice, because they can't afford farmer's market prices, because they need to feed their large families. But I can spend the extra money to support food that is wholesome and ethically grown and raised. I can eat meat once a week, rather than a few times a week, and pay more for animals not grown in a factory or shipped thousands of miles. I can make more foods from scratch, rather than buying prepackaged mixes with preservatives and chemicals. I can try my hand at gardening, even in my urban environment. I can support local farmers, bakers, cheese makers.

It's amazing that something as fundamental as how we feed ourselves is only beginning to be scrutinized from a social justice perspective.

Do you garden? Participate in a CSA? Shop at farmer's markets? Is the way you eat part of your activism?

If you haven't seen the documentary yet, check it out. You'll never be able to eat the same way again.

Posted by Miriam - July 06, 2009, at 12:47PM | in Activism , Food , Personal Is Political

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[0+] Author Profile Page alice-paul said:

I'm disabled (CFS) with very limited income. And because of my fatigue, I don't have the energy to cook.

But I DO want to eat healthfully and I DON'T want to support unethical businesses.

What are some suggestions for people like me?

(I already don't eat meat)


[0+] Author Profile Page susanstohelit replied to alice-paul :

You pose an excellent question, one I've thought about frequently (and unfortunately don't have an answer for). Eating consciously - buying organic, fair-trade, locally-grown non processed food - is something that's really only available to the privileged. Like Miriam, I have the income (and the lack of dependents) to be able to afford to shop at a co-op, buy organic, cook meals from scratch. But it's an expensive, time-consuming prospect, and until food activists work to make these options more available to people with limited resources, the movement is not going to grow.

I'm sorry I didn't really have an answer to your question :( I hope you can find what you're looking for - there must be websites or blogs dedicated to inexpensive but conscious eating, but I don't know of any offhand.

[0+] Author Profile Page Shy Mox replied to alice-paul :

Reducing your intake of eggs and dairy products will help a lot too, eating locally isn't necessarily more expensive, it really depends on where you are. Do you have a local Food Not Bombs chapter? They would be able to tell you some good sources, also you can consider supporting them and sampling their food ^_^

Also, I don't know how bad your disability is but cooking doesn't necessarily have to take a lot of time or energy. For example, you can get a rice cooker, and buy a bag of long grain brown rice (or my favourite, jasmine rice) instead of buying instant rice. It takes longer but you can just throw the rice and water in, flip a switch, it'll turn itself off when its done, and its the best rice you'll ever have. I'm trying to think now of some good simple recipes and cook books, since you're already vegetarian why not hit up www.theppk.com, they got great recipes and if you still are not sure if you can handle any of it, you can always ask on the forums or email Isa and ask for good recipes that take little time or energy, they'll be happy to oblige.

I don't know if you drink coffee or eat chocolate but I am starting to see cheaper "fair trade" or "Rainforest Alliance" certified coffee and chocolate as major corporations that sell products in major grocery stores start to certify their products. I wish I could suggest more.

[0+] Author Profile Page preppy replied to alice-paul :

I actually have similar health issues. One of the things i do to counteract the amount of time and energy it takes to cook is trying to lump it all together whenever i feel up to it (which isn't often!). i will use a rice-cooker to make brown rice, and make a LOT at once, it stays in the fridge for 5 days and is SUPER cheap if bought in bulk, then i can take it out and quickly steam some veggies to go with it (takes about 10 minutes). i also make a lot of stews and soups in MASS quantities, then put them in containers to freeze. once they're frozen, i pop them out of the containers and bag them up, they stack nicely. you can get a LOT of soup out of one pot and make quite a few easy meals to quickly reheat. whenever i do get the energy to make food, i try to make sure it's something i can store for at least a few days and reheat, like popcorn which i can throw in a bag for a snack later, fruit which i can buy on sale and freeze for later, things like that. i hope that helps!

I am in a city, yet rabbits love my garden. Looks like we'll get tomatoes and potatoes at least.

I haven't been to the farmer's market in a couple weeks but this post has made me plan to go this Saturday. Certain things are cheaper there, at least in summer.

I buy fair trade or Rainforest Alliance coffee and fair trade chocolate when I can but I wish it was offered in more places.

I am also pescatarian.

I can't care about everything because of limited income. Also, for so many things we can't have any idea how ethical something is. It might be, it might not be.

This was supposed to be a general reply to the post.

[0+] Author Profile Page Interior_League replied to lyndorr :

Rabbits, potatoes,
tomatoes, you have makings
for a great stew there.

[0+] Author Profile Page kisekileia replied to Interior_League :

Rabbits are intelligent, loving animals with the capacity to be litterbox-trained and form lifelong emotional bonds with each other. I am unable to be vegetarian for medical reasons (I'm allergic to all vegan sources of protein), but I would never eat rabbit.

[0+] Author Profile Page Sehnsucht replied to kisekileia :

Have you tried hemp seed? It has ALL of the amino acids that make up protein; not even just the 8 essential ones, but ALL OF THEM! Problem is, it can be hard to come across and the government sure as hell won't let you grow your own. :(

[0+] Author Profile Page kisekileia replied to Sehnsucht :

Interesting! I'm in Canada, and I think it is probably legal here. I'd just have to figure out what to do with it cooking-wise.

[0+] Author Profile Page Interior_League replied to kisekileia :

Just save all the ones
you pick out of that fat bag
of sticky green shit.

[0+] Author Profile Page Interior_League replied to kisekileia :

Would you eat them if
They weren't potty trainable
or "intelligent?"

A tiny rabbit
lives in the backyard at work.
He's too cute to eat.

[0+] Author Profile Page kisekileia replied to Interior_League :

No, I don't think I would. They are definitely too cute to eat!

[0+] Author Profile Page JoanOfArc replied to alice-paul :

Do you have a crockpot? Cooking with a crockpot requires almost no work. Many crockpot recipies are dump and let cook. The crockpot lady is a great resource, though some of her recpies are meat-centered, I've had good luck with her vegggie ones. Her blog: http://crockpot365.blogspot.com/
Joan

[0+] Author Profile Page johanna in dairyland replied to JoanOfArc :

I just want to second this - embracing the slow cooker has been allowed a huge shift in eating at my house. A slow cooker is a great, easy way to cook with dried beans and whole grains (also, super cheap, super packed with protein and fiber!). Your local library may have a great selections of slow cooker cookbooks for inspiration. I just picked up Not Your Mother's Slow Cooker which has a lot of yummy looking bean-based dishes. I've found that buying from the "bulk" section, even in small quantities, allows me to purchase organic grains and staples and prices often lower than conventionally produced pre-packaged items (this is at a local chain grocery).

Have you gathered that I love beans? :)

Check out the Local Harvest website (http://www.localharvest.org/). They offer options where you can buy food and other products (produced sustainably) and have them delivered to your door. In some cases you can even have a CSA share delivered.

Also, consider doing something like a meal/cooking partnership. It can be less expensive as you're buying bulk, and splitting the cost. Cooking clubs will meet once every week or two and do a bunch of large batch cooking and then divide up what is made into individual portions for freezing. When it's time to eat, all you have to do is heat it up!

[0+] Author Profile Page alice-paul replied to alice-paul :

Thanks for all the tips. I like the idea for a rice cooker, crockpot, and slow cooker.

One important question: Is it labor intensive to clean these items?

[0+] Author Profile Page JoanOfArc replied to alice-paul :

It isn't hard to clean a crockpot. Just spray it with cooking spray before and it will be a breeze to clean.
Joan

No harder than washing a mixing bowl, for the crockpot.

[0+] Author Profile Page Sehnsucht replied to alice-paul :

One way you can eat more healthfully is to eat more whole and raw foods and much less prepackaged and processed foods. While it might be harder to handle the ethical part of it, considering even organically grown foods can be grown in very unethical ways, purposefully choosing to eat more healthily will still send a message to the agri-corps who want to keep everything quick and cheap but grossly unhealthy.

[0+] Author Profile Page ElleStar said:

Thanks for bringing this up. I feel I've been political about what I eat for a decade now. Unfortunately, I wasn't aware of all of the vast amount of ways that food is political. It will be nice to have one source that gathers together this information for people to learn about what we consume.

I'm a pescatarian ("vegetarian" who eats fish, too) who does her best to stay away from processed foods. I live in an apartment, but have a very small garden (tomatoes, cucumbers, and herbs) on my balcony. I love famer's markets, but have a very limited income, so can't afford them often. I try to avoid food products from certain companies and do what I can to support local produce and goods.

The way I eat is absolutely a part of my activism. I just wish there were more sources available to the public at large about the ways in which food is produced and how to best purchase, grow, and consume food that isn't harmful.

Hear, hear! I wish there was an "ethical practices" box right next to the "nutrition information" box to help me understand the "true cost" of products I consume. Until than, I can't wait for this movie to release in my town.

[0+] Author Profile Page Sehnsucht replied to ElleStar :

I still ate fish for about a month after I became "vegetarian" until I learned about all the nasty stuff that gets into the fish from our grossly over-polluted waterways. The amount of mercury alone makes my brain hurt.

After watching this movie (just last week), my girlfriend and I renewed our commitment to going local/small/organic whenever possible within our means. We also decided to make the step to finally become vegetarians (except when we can find 'happy/sustainable' meat).

The biggest challenge, so far, (besides having access to these options - we do not live in a large city) is how to explain it to our friends and family (especially family) in a way that is not accidentally hurtful.

While this is the best choice for us, (and we're privileged to be able to make it) we understand it isn't possible or right for everyone, and we by no means think any less of our families for eating the way they do. We understand where they're coming from (it's where we came from, too!) but we've been moving in this direction gradually for a long while now.

But when they ask us "why," it's hard to say "Because we don't want to support a big food industry that is harming the earth and our local communities" without sounding judgmental. Does anyone who's already gone this route have advice on how to talk about it in a way that is honest but not unintentionally hurtful?

[0+] Author Profile Page Abby B. replied to radishette :

I come from a somewhat large, meat-eating family, so I can honestly say that explaining your choices gets easier with practice. It helps to recognize that both you and your friends and family who eat meat are making the same decision: choosing what's best for you to eat based on your needs, means, and desires. When I explain my choices to my friends, I make a point to tell them that I think it's wonderful that they enjoy what they eat, whether or not that includes meat. Generally, people will overreact, and be hurt that you won't eat their famous fried chicken, and assume that you think THEY shouldn't eat meat, but patience and a LOT of "I" statements will help drive the point that your personal decisions are just that.

[0+] Author Profile Page Abby B. replied to Abby B. :

In addition, it helps to come to the realization that all of your friends and family are all fully competent to make the best decisions for themselves about what to eat, and to go ahead and assume they ARE making the best decisions for themselves, even if they don't come to the same conclusions you do. (To do otherwise would seek to limit or berate their choices, which, in my opinion, does not mesh all that well with feminism.)

Thanks for the advice! I especially like what you say about emphasizing "for me" rather than "everyone should." We started on that this weekend at a family barbeque. We said "this is our choice - it's not your job to go out of your way to accommodate it. The potato salad and corn sound great - we'll bring our own Boca instead of ribs."

Of course, Dad kept saying "These ribs are great! If you want to change your mind and take some home to try, we've got plenty of leftovers!" Gotta love Dad :)

[0+] Author Profile Page DavidC replied to Abby B. :

I'm not terribly conscious of the morality of my food choices. My life is such that I could be be (I not only have the time and financial means, but also plenty of food-conscious friends I could talk with about this)-- I'm just not. It's a personal failing, which might change someday. Or maybe not.

I could be wrong, but I'll bet there are people like this among your friends or family. So why should they be told it's wonderful they enjoy what they eat?

I hate to see moral choices being billed as just preferences. There are all sorts of other moral choices we don't do this with, so why food? I understand wanting to have good relationships with people, and not wanting to feel 'superior' or make people feel bad about themselves. But it seems definitely possible to go too for down the road of "We all just do what works for us..."

[0+] Author Profile Page Abby B. replied to DavidC :

I understand the concern, really, I do, but I eventually came to the decision that I don't have enough time in my day to decide what is or isn't a moral decision for each person amongst my friends and family. At the base of it, I honestly believe that if my sister comes to a decision that she should and will eat meat, then I'm happy she's taken the time to make that decision. And if she hasn't taken the time to make that decision for herself, then I feel that by discussing with her the reasons I chose to become a vegetarian, I might prompt her to think about her choices more carefully. In this, I feel it's my responsibility to educate and not to dictate.

[0+] Author Profile Page lyndorr replied to DavidC :

"I hate to see moral choices being billed as just preferences. There are all sorts of other moral choices we don't do this with, so why food? But it seems definitely possible to go too for down the road of "We all just do what works for us...""

It really depends on the person someone is talking to. I have older family members who are convinced it's impossible to be healthy on a vegetarian diet. For them, I just want them to leave me alone. But even for others, I'd sooner recommend this documentary than make any sort of comment about what they're eating. I'll encourage people to get information and they can do what they want with that information.

[0+] Author Profile Page Dykonoclast replied to radishette :

In November when I confronted my mom with some facts about the corporate meat industry and what it does to the world, she told me that declining to eat skeletal muscular tissue was 'countercultural.'

In March she went vegan.

[Maybe I'm just a big jerk, but I didn't really learn much from Food Inc. I didn't already know-- I'm delighted it's having an impact on people, though!]

[0+] Author Profile Page susanstohelit said:

I've been a pescatarian for about a year now (I only eat fish every few months so i think of myself as a vegetarian, but it's technically not true) because of concerns over the resources used in meat production, and an increasing concern over the nature of factory farming. In addition, my fiance and I shop at a neighborhood co-op (we used to go to Whole Foods when we lived nearby) and try to buy organic, locally-grown food when possible. We also frequent vegetarian/vegan, eco-conscious restaurants (living in New York City definitely helps this cause! It was much harder in New Jersey). I'd like to eat less processed food, whether organic or not, and cook more things from scratch - I enjoy it and have the time. The problem, of course, is cost, and I'd rather at least choose something organic/fair-trade even if it is pre-packaged, if it saves a little money. Still, I consider eating part of my activism and I'm always striving to be a more conscious consumer.

I've been vegan for 6 years now (since I was 13), and I have slowly manoeuvred my family of three into more local and organic shopping. Now that I'm in college, my food choices are not as perfect as they could be (though my university does source an ever increasing amount of the food it serves to Oklahoma growers).

I'm home for the summer which means we're back to about 50/50 on the local/organic versus conventional/industrial. We get most of our produce from the farmer's market, but fresh fruit comes almost solely from the supermarket until watermelons, cantaloupes, apples, and/or pears are in season.

I've been slow to realise how privileged this choice is - but I don't think we should forget that we spend a smaller percentage of our income (on average, as a nation) than we did 50 years ago. I believe this means that a lot of people *can* afford to eat this way, but don't due to lack of education and/or laziness.

[0+] Author Profile Page kat replied to pluralist :

Yep...laziness...that's my problem.

Between my 45-hour work week, 8 hours a week commuting on public transportation, getting my 2 kids to and from their various activities, and trying to take care of my little garden with my 3 tomato plants and 2 zucchini, I only make it to the farmer's market once every couple of weeks. The times we've gotten CSA boxes, I haven't always been able to use up all the vegetables, and ended up throwing out a bunch (composting, actually, since I do that too.)

Now that I've gotten my snark out: seriously, I'm very supportive of sustainable foods. I do try to have home cooked meals with local ingredients as much as possible; when I do get a chance to cook, for example, I'll make a double meal so we can have leftovers. But I feel like some parts of this movement is a little too all or nothing...there needs to be more encouragement for the people who like the idea and can get one or two meals out of the farmer's market a week, but don't want to be yelled at for "supporting industrial agriculture" when we end up feeding our kids processed foods sometimes after a long day at work.


[0+] Author Profile Page davenj replied to kat :

Thank you. I was getting flashbacks of my environmental science lab last semester.

Usually I find that the goal of "awareness" really just makes people like myself aware of just how privileged the self-elected "aware" are.

There's a bigger ethical question here than I think we can really face, which is the simple fact that even the most efficient organic farms still have yields at least 25% lower than your average farm. What does this mean? Simply put if we use our land in this manner we're contributing to the inflation of global food prices. Ditto with the ethanol issue.

There's an ethical issue in driving up global food prices, which really puts a strain on the developing world and can cause some horrible, horrible stuff.

Might it be a bit healthier to eat organic food? I've seen a lot of papers on the issue, and the data is muddy to say the least. There's nothing out there that's extremely convincing about any really great health benefits for your average consumer. Really it seems to be more about status and class. We always find ways to self-segregate between classes, and food is always one of those issues. Now that "green" is the new thing we find ways to self-segregate in this way.

I'm and Envi. Sci. minor, so I get the issues at stake here, but seeing the kids in those same classes at my rich private school that I can only afford to go to on scholarship and via commute makes one realize just how much this is about class.

Put succinctly, people with tons of excess money and tons of free time seem to be awfully casual about tossing out words like "lazy" and "ignorant" while they idle away on the frivolities of the wealthy in order to feel self-important.

I also think this issue is a bit similar to the non-profits issue mentioned a few days ago. Good intentions alone aren't enough to save us from things like classism.

[0+] Author Profile Page kat replied to davenj :

I do believe there is an element of class-ism in it too (though read the article I posted from the NYT below, about this guy who is doing great work in the inner-city of Milwaukee.)

I can't cry that in my case though, becuase we can definitely afford to buy expensive food. I just don't have the time to cook it every day. I try when I can, but I can't beat myself up when I don't have the time.

Your comment also made me think of an article I read recently about a farmer who wasn't going all-organic, but had adopted some technique so he was using 20% as much chemicals as a typical farmer, but getting yields equivalent to industrial farming. He wasn't getting any support from the organic/sustainable crowd, but all the "traditional" farmers thought he was nuts too. This is exactly the kind of thing we need to support though.

[0+] Author Profile Page davenj replied to kat :

But the issue isn't just food prices. That's part of the issue, but there are also other problems.

Time is a huge thing here. Even you, a college student home for summer in a family of three, cops to not always having the time to prepare meals. Imagine, then, how your average person pulling ten hours a day for five days a week and commuting using public transport feels about the prospects of preparing a meal when they get home.

Then add to the mix the portability issue. Organic food doesn't just come pre-packaged. You can't go buy it off a lunch stand. So folks who work and eat lunch at their job, or perhaps two meals, don't really have many great options in this regard.

The article is great, but he's not self-sufficient, and while he helps bring some better food to urban areas there are still issues of preparation and transport that are far from being solved. Historically poorer folks don't eat as well, and for a variety of reasons. That's not going to change overnight, so I think that reps of this food movement ought to take that into account.

This is not simply an education issue. In many ways it's tied to finances, time, and one's job.

As for using fewer chemicals, it's great for smaller folks who can do it and have the time, but I've yet to see anything in the journals that indicates a departure from current pyrithroids and neonicitinoids and the doses we use for large-scale farming.

It's a double-bind. Modern agriculture may not be sustainable, but it's the only way to support the global population.

[0+] Author Profile Page Peepers replied to kat :

No foolin', kat! It's similar for me. A prerequisite for sustainability is availability in most people's real lives.

[0+] Author Profile Page Eresbel said:

Did the movie talk about the global ramifications of organic versus non-organic foods/farming practices? Because I'm very interested in that controversy. As a side-ish note: did you know that if the world only produced organic foods, with no genetically modified organisms being grown and eaten, that Earth could only support 2/3 of the global population? But then, most GMOs are one-time-use only and for a farmer to gamble on buying a year's supply of GMO seeds could ruin his/her entire career. It's an interesting problem.

To my memory, they don't talk a lot about organic vs. non, but there is a lengthy discussion about GMO and how the larger companies (especially Monsanto) have completely taken over the market and force farmers to buy fresh seed each year, rather than saving.

[0+] Author Profile Page Sehnsucht replied to Eresbel :

Did you know that the way we have been abusing agriculture to feed our overpopulated earth has already killed 1/3 of the Earth's topsoil?

Maybe if we made a much greater push for pregnancy prevention and birth control, we wouldn't have to worry about feeding so many people.

[0+] Author Profile Page davenj replied to Sehnsucht :

Good luck with that. The kind of population change necessary to switch over to wholly organic growing methods is so tremendous it'll take MANY generations to achieve, if at all.

All things can't be done at all times without avoiding side effects. One of the huge side effects here is that using land to produce significantly less food will contribute to rising food prices worldwide.

Easy for us to shrug off here, not so easy in the developing world.

Maybe if we don't try to boil things down to black/white or yes/no problems we'll find fairer, more equitable solutions that use a variety of strategies and actually correlate to reality.

[0+] Author Profile Page Shy Mox said:

I'm vegan, cook most of my meals from scratch (I find premade meals to be either nutritionally bad for you or expensive anyway), eat locally when possible and while I'm pretty broke and trying really hard to get back on my feet, I support my local Food Not Bombs chapter and hope to volunteer with them once I get everything back to normal. I also eat organic when possible, some things are a bit too expensive (like organic olive oil...YIKES!) but soy products must be organic, and thankfully its pretty cheap.

Hopefully when I'm done university, get a job and can afford a home, I'll be able to start a home garden as well. I hope also one day to open a farm animal sanctuary, where animals saved from slaughter can live, people can come and see them and we can educate them on the harms of animal products. If I can't ever afford to do that, I'll at least take in as many farm animals I can.

[0+] Author Profile Page Entomology Girl said:

I'm a vegetarian. I'd love to eat more farmer's market foods, but I'm pretty poor, and I live in an apartment, so there's no room to garden, and the lighting isn't even good enough to grow indoor herbs. One day!

Although I have to admit that I'm still VERY skeptical of the supposed benefits of organic foods. AFIAK they're pretty much a dead-end, because there's no good way to run an organic farm that's even anywhere near efficient enough to sustain a large population.

Also, organically raised animals do not frolic in endless green pastures.

[0+] Author Profile Page LCA said:

I usually use Boston Organics, which delivers organic fruits and vegetables to my apartment, but cancel during the summer, when I cook less and try to hit the farmers markets more. They have a local box (ONLY products in season from New England), which I may look into when I join back up. The closest market to me also has a meat vendor, so I can get sausage to keep in my freezer for soups and rice dishes and leaf lard for baking.
I am also looking into signing up to have my compost picked up. I don't garden (black thumb), but I hate to see all my food scraps go to waste. There appears to be an organization in my area that will provide a bucket for you, and empty it weekly. I've read about other cities that will pick up your compost with your recycling, so hopefully this trend will pick up.

[0+] Author Profile Page Dykonoclast replied to LCA :

Boston Organics rules!!! Thanks to them, I was able to eat local all winter long. I still have one of the boxes coming in, but I cancelled the local one to better support farmers markets.

Honestly, for me, I'm still working on eating period. I didn't grow up learning to cook very many things. I moved out of my parents' house very early and at that point I was on my own, eating dumpster food and cheap things. Add to that being a baby ballerina and other issues and food at all for me has been very difficult. I am still working out how I can feed myself, very literally. In some ways, this organic food trend freaks me out worse -- it's one more axis I can worry about what I am putting into my body, if it is good or bad, if the expense is worth the value, does it mean I am bad for eating "inorganic" food, et cetera.

Obviously, I have issues here. I am curious about how this connects to this social justice stuff -- not where I usually see it, which is in feminist critiques of disordered eating/needs for control/body issues, but through a food justice lens. What does it mean when food symbolizes things OTHER than nourishment? Is it a good idea for food justice work to focus on "healthy" food and "unhealthy" food? What are the ways in which this organic food movement connects to fatphobic messaging?

I would be interested in what other ppl who have "food issues" have to say about this stuff, and their reactions to the organic food/local food movement. I disengage because it hits too many buttons for me, but I don't think that's the only way.

I hear you arielariel, I've had similar struggles with body image and food intake.

I think, for me, what this comes down to is the fact that so many of us aren't really eating "food" anymore. So much of what is sold in the grocery store is more a science experiment than a food item. It's been so altered (chemically, genetically, etc) by food science that it bares little resemblance to food anymore.

To me, food is protein, it's vitamins, it's complex carbohydrates that are grown without toxic chemicals.

That's the social justice issue, for me. Diet foods aren't food either--even if they are purported to be "healthy". I spent a few years following the Weight Watchers plan and those prepackaged foods they sell? Mostly air and preservatives. Low calorie doesn't mean healthy for me.

Access is the key social justice here--people just don't have options. Either because they can't afford them, or because McDonald's is the largest consumer of ground beef in the US, meaning we eat the ground beef that McDonald's wants. Not to mention the way these large food companies pollute the environment and mistreat workers.

I think you raise a valid point, especially about what we eat these days is so often "processed food product" rather than just, well, food. Access to good food is really key to learning how to eat well.

I just wish this movement wasn't so classist, and so wrapped up in another version of "good" and "bad" food. Especially given (as other people say on this thread) the way in which organic food hasn't in fact been proven to be better for you, I think it's kind of messy that it has so quickly been valued so much higher. It makes some logical sense, but I am still skeptical.

The localvore idea -- eat seasonal food grown close to where you live -- does make more sense to me because of its obvious other benefits, ie, knowing your farmer, not polluting so much, eating in a way that supports the world around you. I am still wary of calling that better, though. Something about that kind of evaluation makes me very wary when it comes to food in particular.

[0+] Author Profile Page kisekileia replied to arielariel :

I have food issues as well, but of a very different type than yours. I am allergic to peanuts, nuts, and soy, with some history of cross-reaction to other legumes, so getting sufficient protein in a vegetarian diet would be completely impossible for me. I also have problems with sensory processing related to taste, which means there are a lot of foods (particularly fruits and veggies) that I can't eat because my body doesn't tolerate the taste and texture well enough for me to get them down. I also don't have the money for organic food.

So I absolutely cannot afford to restrict my diet any more than it's already restricted. I dislike a lot of contemporary farming practices, but since there is so little food I can eat, I really can't be too picky. It would be nice if I could be vegetarian, but that simply isn't possible.

[0+] Author Profile Page kat said:

Check out this article in yesterday's NYT magazine.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/magazine/05allen-t.html?hpw

I haven't seen Food Inc, but i've read Michael Pollan. He definitely made me think, and I try to eat local and sustainable as much as possible, it's just not always feasible. I really admired the farmer described in this article, who is doing amazing things, without being dogmatic.


[0+] Author Profile Page Mike said:

I haven't seen the film yet (I will), but for a highly entertaining book on the perils of meat, I recommend "My Year of Meats" by Ruth L. Ozeki. It is often hilarious, while still addressing many feminist issues. There is a good review at http://us.penguingroup.com/static/rguides/us/my_year_of_meats.html

[0+] Author Profile Page Flowers said:

Jews have known this for a long time. When you stop to think how important it is for a just and healthy society to know which foods they are eating, who prepared it, how the animal was killed, and who is certifying that it was all done a certain way, then it doesn't seem like such a stretch to think that God may have actually commanded the Jews to follow a strict diet. Keeping kosher is an ethical decision as well as a religious one, but it is still one that most people make fun of because it's "archaic health laws." But it's a great way to know every link in the food chain.

[0+] Author Profile Page laurylen said:

We participate in a CSA, buy organic at grocery, buy local when possible. It's much harder in a supershort growing season, Monsanto controlled (even the Farmer's markets are run by factory farming bullies, who will not let in new [especially not organic] growers) area of the country. However, we have a burgeoning group of local food supporters.

I'm a vegetarian and try to buy organic when it's available. For cheese, eggs, and more processed things, I go to the local organic food co-op.

This isn't really food related, but it's consumer-responsibility related: I also buy cruelty-free beauty products.

[0+] Author Profile Page Ni Putes Ni Soumises said:

Barbara Kingsolver's "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle" is another book that covers a lot of these issues. It tells of her family's year spent eating local-only foods, and is filled with tips and recipes for sustainable eating. It is also quite beautifully written. I am just graduated from college and will be joining the Jesuit Volunteer Corps in August -- the Kingsolver book was actually on our list of recommended reading before orientation. During their year of service, members of JVC pledge to live simply and sustainably on the very limited food stipend we are supplied. I am looking forward to trying to eat sustainably and locally on a vary small budget and working with my JV housemates to do so. Hopefully I will emerge from the experience with a lot of new insight on how to do so even without much income!

In the meantime, I am privileged enough to live in a suburban area with a temperate climate and a big yard where my parents have quite the garden growing. Our record isn't perfect, but each night we try to have one part of our meal that is purely from the garden -- our arugula, lettuce and cucumbers have yielded some lovely salads. Can't wait for the tomatoes to ripen!

[0+] Author Profile Page Sarah replied to Ni Putes Ni Soumises :

I just have to say YAY JVC! I'll be joining the JV crowd when I graduate and learning to eat ethically with my housemates is one of the things I most look forward to.

[0+] Author Profile Page Cosmosis said:

I was able to find a meat CSA in my area. We get 10 pounds of meat per month and, aside from the occasional seafood, don't purchase any other meat. Getting my meat from a small farm where animals are raised humanely and allowed to eat a natural diet has helped put my mind at ease. The meat CSA was sort of the last piece of the puzzle as I was already buying locally produce and eschewing processed foods.

Just wanted to point out that buying at farmer's markets is not always expensive. The Nashville Farmer's Market offers produce at a lower price than the local grocery stores.

Just to second sarahkbrown, sometimes it's actually cheaper to do a CSA or buy local. Granted, I know I'm lucky to live in Philadelphia where we're surrounded by farms and can get local products year round (several farmers' markets in the city operate on a year round basis). BUT, doing the math for most CSAs, it may cost more up front, but the weekly cost on average is much much less than what I would spend at the grocery store. My CSA not only includes 1/4 bushel of fruits/veggies, but granola, eggs, cheese and meat. It averages out to around $15 a week. And it's year round.

I pick up my CSA first at the farmers' market, and then supplement with whatever else is needed that week, plus bread, canned goods, etc. All one trip (on foot or by bike), local, sustainable and organic products, and generally for much less than I would have spent if I had gone to the big-name store. I just can't beat that.

I'd grow some of my own veggies if I could, but unfortunately don't have that option in my current apartment. The next one, however, will have a nice garden space. :)

That's the thing about this local stuff. It's so local. In my experience, the strategies that work vary immensely from one community to the next.

Where I used to live, I could eat inexpensively and healthfully by visiting the farmer's market each week. I long for those days. Where I am now, the best I can do is to try to avoid the most notorious national big-box store and to grow a little of my own food in my yard. When my plants succeed, I share the food and information with friends and neighbors. Three friends are growing a little food in their yards too now. That's how we get to have affordable, fresh, organic herbs in our community. Now there are eggplants and tomatoes. Next year, who knows. The hitch in my method is that you have to 1) talk to your neighbors and 2) share.

[0+] Author Profile Page Tara K. replied to Peepers :

I feel you. When I lived in Kentucky, I could buy BASKETS of fresh veggies from the farmer's market. Now that I live in a bigger city, Columbus, OH, I find that the farmer's markets here are double the price. They're a little more hip to marketing their green-friendliness and so on. It's frustrating.

[0+] Author Profile Page JoanOfArc said:

I'm vegetarian and I raise my own chickens for eggs. That sounds hard, but it really isn't. If you have a yard, you can raise chickens. They will eat your scraps, meaning less trash and in return for scraps + some feed and water, you will get fresh eggs. Check out backyardchickens.com for more information.
Joan

[0+] Author Profile Page Interior_League replied to JoanOfArc :

These chickens die from
natural causes, of course?
Or another end?

[0+] Author Profile Page JoanOfArc replied to Interior_League :

They aren't meat hens; when they die I bury them and cry. The hens are as much pets as egg producers.
Joan

Chickens are so practical if you can have them! My mom had chickens. I'm gonna tell her I saw someone advocating it online so she can feel years ahead of her time :)

I live on a 3 acre farmette, so we have chickens for free-range, drug-free eggs and a HUGE garden. We canned 40 qts of tomato sauce last year--we'll just be finishing it up when it's time to can the new batch. Besides 'maters we have all sorts of herbs, greens, broccoli, cauliflower, squash, zucchini, pumpkins, chilies, bell peppers, potatoes, peas, beans, sunchokes, onions, garlic, leeks, carrots, cucumbers, radishes, fennel bulbs, mushrooms, watermelons. We're not rich but our landlords have no idea what they *should* be charging for rent. :)

I'm in a similar situation to yours. We have access to several farmers markets, and even one that runs through the winter. We have a garden. We do most of our shopping at a retail food co-op and an organic food store, both of which source locally when they can. And at this point, we can afford to shop there.

My partner and I have been concerned about food sustainability for a long time. It's heartening to see how much the local and organic food movements have grown in our area over that past several years. But it's still true that many people either cannot or will not go in this direction. I have not yet seen Food Inc., but I recently saw two European documentaries about factory farming. Raising awareness is key.

[0+] Author Profile Page johanna in dairyland said:

Our family doesn't buy too much that's specifically organic, but we are very committed to as much in season and local produce as possible. We are experimenting with gardening this year since my spouse's employer has a large organic community garden that they divvy up to interested emloyees so we're trying with zucchini, peppers, acorn squash, butternut squash, pumpkins, watermelons, and tomatoes. We also have a little herb garden on our deck which has been very productive - our cilantro went crazy and we made a few meals of cilantro pesto.

And you've probably also read about my OMGheartsandstars love affair with my slow cooker upthread. Lots of yummy vegetarian dishes with dump it and plug it in ease. We eat meat occasionally, but primarily prefer vegetarian meals.

Another thing related to this topic - food waste is a big pet peeve of mine. We work really hard to throw out as little as possible, which means weekend breakfasts are often some sort of random baked good that incorporates whatever tail end of the weekly food supply is borderline over-ripe. I try to be very conscious of my level of consumption on this front.

One last thing - I'm trying my hand at foraging a bit ... I discovered a huge patch of blackberries behind my house this weekend and harvested enough to make blackberry shortbread and blackberry muffins, with plenty more ripening on the bush. Delicious, seasonal, FREE.

[0+] Author Profile Page odonata said:

I live in the heart of a major american city, but we're fortunate to have a great backyard with southern exposure, good soil and drainage.

We've had chickens for about five years now, as Joan stated above, they're super-inexpensive and easy to raise. They turn vegetable scraps, garden bugs and weeds into the best eggs I have ever tasted. We've also got a huge backyard garden with tomatoes, squash, herbs, kale, potatoes, eggplant, the list goes on.

I also get a CSA box every week, the cost, when averaged over the summer, comes out to be way cheaper than when I was going to the local co-op.

It does take time to weed, garden and prepare food from scratch, luckily I live in a shared home where these tasks are a lot easier when spread between several people.

With all the above, I manage to eat about 95% local (my coffee, some grains, cooking oils, and citrus being the exceptions), I'm a meat eater and my income puts me just above the poverty line.

However, the luxury I do have is space; the garden; the chickens; our deep-freezer where we store sustainably raised meat, all require space, sunlight and a flexible landlord. So in that sense we're pretty wealthy, and what I do is probably not feasible for many people.

[0+] Author Profile Page liv79 said:

I work at a non-profit dedicated to sustainability in Montana, and so food and how/where it's grown/raised is a big part of my life. A few years ago we were able to get our Farmer's Market to issues tokens in exchange for Food Stamps so that locals could purchase produce, butter and some meats from other local growers. Also, a great way to purchase locally grown meats is to go in on a cow/buffalo/deer or what have you with friends from a butcher or smokehouse. A side of beef can run pretty cheaply when split amongst a few friends, and it's far easier to store when you just have bits.

[0+] Author Profile Page Tara K. said:

One option that I imagine will be unpopular: hunting.

While I know that many people have oppositions, hear me out. Hunting provides organic, inexpensive, free-range meat to people, and it comes from a necessary practice.

Because deer no longer have natural predators (not enough bears, cougars, etc. in many parts of the country), deer can reproduce more than they would in a naturally controlled ecosystem. As a result, there is often a shortage of food in the winter that can result in many deer starving to death. If not for hunting, many deer would starve or have to be euthanized by Fish & Wildlife every year (which would also cost additional $$). (And, for the record, shooting an animal in the head is a pretty humane way to die. I mean, compared to the alternatives. Besides, that's how Fish & Wildlife do it in many parts.) Hunting allows that same meat to provide totally organic, free-range, lean meat to families at a low cost. Having grown up on deer meat and my family's garden, I can say it's the most eco-friendly, healthy, affordable way for many people to get enough meat to feed their families at an affordable cost, all while providing a service that the government would have to do anyhow.

And I'M NOT SAYING that you have to agree with hunting, but that it does provide this option for many families who otherwise would endure great financial difficulty to get the same amount of meat, much less the same amount of healthy, unfarmed meat.

[0+] Author Profile Page Synna replied to Tara K. :

Tara K. I grew up in outback Australia and going 'shooting' was part and parcel of growing up. Some people made quite a good living shooting kangeroos for pet/human consumption, as well as being able to feed themselves. This was a vital economic resource for many people as there weren't a lot of jobs to go round being so far out in the middle of nowhere.

Plus, kangaroo meat is very lean with lots of nutrients, and its tasty.

[0+] Author Profile Page kisekileia replied to Tara K. :

I think hunting for food and ecosystem management is reasonable, but I believe there is something fundamentally perverse and morally bankrupt about killing for sport.

[0+] Author Profile Page Shy Mox replied to Tara K. :

While hunting is more humane than even so called free range or "humane" happy meat, its still pretty unnecessary for people to eat meat and still a waste of resources, plus our planet just can't support the meat eating habits of six billion people (and that population is getting near seven billion soon). Plus vegetarian and vegan diets are so healthy, the time and energy wasted in hunting is just unnecessary.

[0+] Author Profile Page Tara K. replied to Shy Mox :

Some say. In fact, I used to say. I was vegetarian for five years and it wasn't really healthier for me. Some people can do it without problems, but no dietary supplements or adjustments ever got it to work for me. I had no energy and lots of blood sugar problems. I found that incorporating meat into my diet helped tremendously.

I preached all the pros of the veg lifestyle myself, but I don't think they're universally true for all people, all bodies. The eco-benefits are important, but I think it's better to stress responsible meat consumption (as in meat from appropriate sources and the appropriate amount in our diets).

[0+] Author Profile Page kisekileia replied to Tara K. :

Thank you.

[0+] Author Profile Page kisekileia replied to Shy Mox :

No, actually, eating meat is not unnecessary for everyone. See my comments earlier in the thread--a person who can't eat legumes or nuts, such as me, can't safely be vegetarian.

[0+] Author Profile Page Sehnsucht replied to kisekileia :

You do realize there is protein in, like, everything, right? It's not just nuts and legumes.

Barley, potatoes, avocados, spinach, hemp, etc. all have protein in them. Of course, some things have more protein than others, but you don't really need a whole lot to begin with and it's not hard to get the amount that you do need.

[0+] Author Profile Page kisekileia replied to Sehnsucht :

Not whole proteins. My understanding is that foods containing various types of proteins have to be combined carefully in a vegetarian diet, and I can eat so few of those foods that it really wouldn't work.

[0+] Author Profile Page The Geek replied to kisekileia :
My understanding is that foods containing various types of proteins have to be combined carefully in a vegetarian diet

This 70s-era theory has been discredited. Provided that one does not subsist solely on junk food, and provided that one eats enough calories overall, there is simply no reason to worry about protein (whether total intake or "combining") on a vegan or other plant-based diet.

From Dr Weil: "You may have heard that vegetable sources of protein are "incomplete" and become "complete" only when correctly combined. Research has discredited that notion so you don't have to worry that you won't get enough usable protein if you don't put together some magical combination of foods at each meal."

From The Vegan Society: "Diets based solely on plant foods easily supply the recommended amounts of all the indispensable amino acids, and protein combining at each meal is unnecessary. Soya protein is actually equivalent in biological value to animal protein."

From the Vegetarian Resource Group: "It is very easy for a vegan diet to meet the recommendations for protein, as long as calorie intake is adequte. Strict protein combining is not necessary; it is more important to eat a varied diet throughout the day."

[0+] Author Profile Page kisekileia replied to The Geek :

None of those are sources I would trust without verification from impartial medical sources. But regardless of that, my diet is already extremely restricted and it would not be healthy to restrict it further.

[0+] Author Profile Page The Geek replied to kisekileia :

My understanding is that the protein-combining theory was popularized in Frances Moore Lappé's 1971 Diet for a Small Planet. Lappe withdrew support for the theory as early as 1982, writing:

"In combating the myth that meat is the only way to get high quality protein, I reinforced another myth. I gave the impression that in order to get enough protein without meat, considerable care was needed in choosing foods. Actually it is much easier than I thought."

I was hard-pressed to find any further sources addressing whether dietary protein combining is necessary. There seems to be a dearth of research. The thought comes to mind that if protein combining were truly "necessary", there would be some syndrome or set of symptoms that emerges in its absence among the millions of vegetarians and vegans in the world, and that perhaps no one has studied it because there is no such disease.

That said, there is plenty of evidence which demonstrates that eating too much protein is a health hazard, and most people in industrialized countries who eat animal flesh or products do indeed ingest too much.

Since quality of information is important to you: which reliable source(s) influenced your belief that protein combining is necessary?

I can't safely be vegetarian either because my body has trouble absorbing iron and iron suppliments do bad things to my gut. The amount of iron in green leafy vegetables just doesn't compare to the amount of iron in red meat, and the iron in red meat is easier to absorb.

And for anyone else who has iron troubles: eat lots of green, leafy vegetables. The copper in them helps with iron absorbtion.

[0+] Author Profile Page Woodsy Pete replied to Tara K. :

I am a conservation biologist and you beat me to the argument I was going to make. I try to shop at as many farmer's markets as I can, and try to buy local chicken and dairy products (which isn't always easy, but I do try). I still eat venison, though, because I'd rather see deer meat on my plate than in front of my car. People don't necessarily have to eat meat, but if they want to, then hunting an overpopulated as well as tasty species is a good way to do so.

[0+] Author Profile Page Woodsy Pete replied to Tara K. :

I am a conservation biologist and you beat me to the argument I was going to make. I try to shop at as many farmer's markets as I can, and try to buy local chicken and dairy products (which isn't always easy, but I do try). I still eat venison, though, because I'd rather see deer meat on my plate than in front of my car. People don't necessarily have to eat meat, but if they want to, then hunting an overpopulated as well as tasty species is a good way to do so.

[0+] Author Profile Page preppy said:

no! it's not labor intensive. i just soak the rice cooker pan overnight in water and it all washes out instantly the next day. and that's it!

[0+] Author Profile Page Tara K. replied to preppy :

FYI -- if you spray the rice cooker with nonstick first, I find that almost NONE of the rice sticks. I think you can get organic nonstick...

[0+] Author Profile Page vegkitty said:

Oh goodness. This is a HUGE cause for me. I'm always looking at ways to get healthy foods to be more affordable for lower-income people... I think it's absolutely ridiculous that processed, non-organic, non-local foods cost less than whole, organic, local foods. A lot of this has to do with crop subsidies, which is another comment for another day.

On an individual basis, I tend towards the most eco-friendly, local foods. I'm a poor starving college student, so cost is an issue for me. Lately, I've noticed that soymilk and certain brands of fake meats have gone down in price, so I'm trying to buy some each time I go shopping to encourage the price drop/sales. I've also been a vegetarian for 6 years, so my food choices, by default, tend to be more eco-friendly. Finally, I'm attempting to grow a fall vegetable garden at my house (I live with my parents) to protest subsidized foods and become more self-sustainable.

Question to fellow eco-conscious shoppers: Is Starbucks "green" or not? I've heard conflicting info.

[0+] Author Profile Page laurend said:

wondering if anyone knows whether or not this film is playing overseas? in the netherlands, specifically?

Preservatives and "chemicals"? Good luck avoiding dihydrogen monoxide, that stuff is all over.

[0+] Author Profile Page Kristin said:

This is my first time commenting here. I live with my husband (and soon son) in the "suburbs" of a small town in central Pennsylvania. We have a decent sized back yard, and about two years ago we started gardening. We grow our own herbs as well as lettuce, tomatoes, summer squash, and we experiment with other foods. It's very satisfying to watch everything grow, and then to be able to pick it out of the ground and eat it immediately. All it cost was the build the beds (soil mix and some wood) and the cost of the plants every year. I would pay $3.50 per week at least for decent lettuce in the grocery store; for $3.50 we can get 6 lettuce plants that will last us for weeks, and we usually have so much we give some away. Even if you don't have a back yard, you can grow a few things...I see those topsy turvey tomato growers on porches and balconies all over the city I work in. It not only cuts down on grocery bills, but it provides fresh basic ingredients with much more nutrition than the store bought variety has. Our region does have a few CSAs, but the buy-in cost is over $400/yr, which is really out of the budget range of most families. We have more than enough goodies coming from our small garden, and it probably costs less than $25-50/year.

Regarding meat, my husband is a hunter. I was a vegetarian myself for about 8 years so it took a lot of getting used to. The two or so deer that he shoots each fall feeds our family for an entire year...no need to buy red meat at all. I know everything that happened to that animal from the time my husband spotted it until it shows up on my plate, which is a very rare thing these days. You can't get anymore "organic" than that. I understand the arguments against meat eating, but I have come to feel that if I'm going to eat it at all, there's nothing healthier or really more humane for the animal than hunting.

Also regarding hunting, there are people all over the country that hunt because they have to due to financial reasons and many hunters I know share "extra" deer with friends or family who don't/can't hunt themselves but struggle financially. There is also a program for hunters to donate their deer to soup kitchens (I think it's called Share the Harvest?).

[0+] Author Profile Page borrow_tunnel said:

I am SO excited to watch that documentary. I was asked by mnn (shameless self promotion: http://mnn.com/users/nkonen) to do a survey on the trailer and I guess I didn't figure the movie would be online. I just got done watching Supersize Me with my boyfriend last night after he brought home McDonalds and it's just awful what I eat sometimes. You wouldn't think of food as an issue beyond health, but it is a social problem. As a jobless college student, I currently live in a low-income neighborhood, and it's sad to see a McDonalds smack-dab in the middle of the neighborhood. It is literally 2 blocks away from me. I mean, these people that don't have a lot of money to buy a car or use a lot of gas can just walk over to McDonalds. It's made too easy for them to ruin their health. It's really sad, but my hope is that in this new century, McD's and other fast food restaurants won't be such big powers.

[0+] Author Profile Page Tracey T said:

I try to eat as ethically as possible and have been vegetarian for over a year now, but I am not economically priviledged and a lot of things depend on location. For example, I have farmer's markets near me that are actually cheaper than stores, but farmer's markets do not accept food stamps(at least none I know of), and that is how I buy the vast majority of my food.
Also, I use to live somewhere where tofu was $1 cheaper than my current location and you could purchase tempeh for $1.50 a pound (more in bulk). So I am pretty much limited to beans,rice,noodles, TVP, and frozen vegetables (the only kind I really buy fresh regulary are peppers), usually under $35/mo. I get so frustrated with the restrictions on food sometimes. Not only are time and access problematic for some people, but there are situations where you are literally living from day to day and do not have enough money at one time to shop on a weekly/monthly basis.

I consider my vegetarianism a part of my activism. Money keeps me from buying organic very often, and living situation keeps me from gardening. Timing has been a bar to joining a CSA, but I'm hoping to be able to do it next year. I do shop at farmer's markets when I can afford it.

I consider my vegetarianism a part of my activism. Money keeps me from buying organic very often, and living situation keeps me from gardening. Timing has been a bar to joining a CSA, but I'm hoping to be able to do it next year. I do shop at farmer's markets when I can afford it.

[0+] Author Profile Page joanneod said:

Thank you for this post: this is a very important issue and really hits the boundary where the personal becomes political. On films, "We Feed the World" (Austrian production) was released here in Europe a couple of years ago along similar lines and I also found it quite shocking. That was when I definitively stopped eating any chicken I wasn't 100% sure came from an ethical source...

Check it out:

http://www.we-feed-the-world.at/en/film.htm


[0+] Author Profile Page blue said:

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[0+] Author Profile Page MsMay said:

Hey Miriam -- as a neighbor of yours, I would like to speak to the efforts of the farmer's market in our neighborhood to reach out to those who may not consider going to farmer's markets in the first place. In addition to one (or multiple?) CSAs, some of the farmer's markets in our city also accept WIC (formerly known food stamps) and are usually accessible by public transportation. I was really impressed to see these outreach efforts, and can only hope that we can think of other ways to make healthier and sustainable food more accessible to everyone.

See you at the farmer's market!

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