Anarcha-feminists speak out
Oh, snap. This is awesome. (Back story: some women interrupted an anarchist conference to show this video and speak out about sexism in the movement.)
Thanks to Gwen for the links!
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Of course all the comments at the link are full of FAIL. "But there were two women who spoke at one of the rallies!" "But what about the men?" "But only some men are like this!" "But interrupting the rally is no way to get your point across!"
The usual privileged crap.
I believe the technical term for that attitude is "dudeliness."
I just put that on my profile on myspace. I loved seeing those photos of feminist protesters toward the last few seconds of the video... I rarely see that in the mainstream news.
they are not all 'feminist' protesters as such, or even protesters at that. there was a female vietcong member in there. in fact, most left wing revolutionary armies have a very high proportion of female soldiers.
Brilliant. Especially the last few seconds, but the whole piece is brilliant.
This is so needed.
I feel like so often we leave leftist movements/organizations unexamined in terms of sexism because they tend to share our political beliefs. It's like "Well, at least they're liberal ... " when women are still delegated to the more "household" tasks of political activism: organizing materials, arranging for food, cleaning up, essentially making sure everyone ELSE is taken care of.
How is THAT true progress?
Fuck that: From Democratic conventions to anarchist demonstrations, we can ALL contribute to the cause equally, especially in the more pragmatic areas.
I'm totally inspired to hold my favorite leftist organizations accountable. If we don't own up to sexist practices, we're no different than those we're against.
i see your point, but i dont like it when all left-wingers are called 'liberal', though i know in the USA its generally accepted, because the left wing hardly ever goes further than liberalism. just keep in mind that anarchism and socialism are NOT liberalism, they are distinct theories, and although we have many common goals, i at least dont want to be called a 'liberal'.
manarchists suck.
*needs to start going to 1919 hemphill again*
fort worth represent!
oh my goddd that just made me teary eyed. that shit is so real. there was just an anarchist convergence near my house and i felt so nervous to go because 1 - its mostly white people (and im not white) and 2 - its so dominated by men.
i ended up not going.
so many of the anarchists i have met think that because of their personal politics, which are radical and amazing, that they are immune to being fucked up themselves. there needs to be a HUGE privilege conversation within that entire movement. i think it is happening to a degree, but it is coming from women and people of color, not from the privileged folks themselves.
Damns. HALLELUJAH and major PROPS to the women who made this video. SO true. SO painful. SO alienating. So many of us are looking to join a powerful anti-capitalist global movement, but (in my experience) the contemporary anarchist movement is is a profoundly female-exclusive, masculinist space.
fucking FUCKING AWESOME!
the so called left has always been largely white and male...the feminist movement has been largely white and female...it is my opinion that both movements have been co-opted by the state, definitely have moles in the highest echelons of their leadership and give little more than lip service to the real needs of the people...when i was raising my kids by myself, i was told many things by (supposedly) feminist women that hurt me deeply...when i was trying to get involved in the anarchist movement back in the day, i was seen as a token black man...nothing more than a figure head...it's like that guy from spear head said..."even in the most radical of groups, you will find that when you stray from the doctrine, you'll see hard times"...so i place it on the elite of both the state and the left...they don't do shit for men of color, they don't do shit for women of color...they glad hand us and tell us they want us to be part of the parade...but we end up either cleaning up or going to prison for our participation...
i totally agree! the tokenization (i think i made that word up...) is HORRENDOUS. its like they know they are all white and that it makes them look exclusive. rather then looking inwards at what is causing the exclusivity they just latch onto a few poc folks that are a part of the movement and use them to show how inclusive they are.
but how often are those people of color in positions of power or leadership? hardly ever. and as you pointed out, we are the ones who will be cleaning up or targetted by the prison industrial complex when shit really goes down.
Anarchism isn't leftism.
I'm unsure how great anarchy would be for women, in general.
Or anyone, for that matter...
I agree. Unless we totally, completely erase sexism from people's minds, which isn't possible, I have a feeling that anarchy might end up being not so great for women.
yepp, thats one of the flaws of anarchism- that it is naive (however much they try to deny it)
Spiffy video editing doesn't rationalize a silly philosophy, even if it is branded "feminist"
Whether or not you like or agree with a particular philosophy I think that it is quite rude to call it silly. I don't want to assume that you are ignorant about anarchism, because there are plenty of well-informed people that disagree with it, but in my experience, 9/10 people who deride anarchism as silly, absurd, or ridiculous actually know very little about it. Furthermore, there are a wide range of theories and positions which fall under the general heading of anarchism.
"Furthermore, there are a wide range of theories and positions which fall under the general heading of anarchism."
Good point - there's anarcho-capitalism, there's private-sector Shariah in Mogadishu, etc.
Since when is it "silly" to call out the sexism of supposedly radical/progressive/whatever movements?
I never said that
How is the general philosophy of anarchism "silly"?
It encompasses theories that are largely based on the idea of humanism and advocates practices that are quite reasonable and could be functional.
Don't generalize based on who the media presents as advocates of anarchy.
Anarchists are not advocates of primal chaos, but rather people who believe that, essentially, society would be better if it functioned not under systems of governmental oppression, but basic human cooperation and mutual understanding.
Just look around to see why anarchy might get a poor reception here. For most people here, there is no social problem that cannot be solved by passing the right sort of law; and their understanding of human cooperation is more like the cooperation of the gulag than the cooperation of the market.
Many people wont, out of the goodness of their hearts, cooperate or be productive. Without anybody forcing them to conform to societal standards, they will turn to predation in a Lord of the Flies sense.
Anarchist models of society ("syndicate economies") cannot sustain the world's populations with the food and supplies that it needs. There will be no sort of police to control millions of hungry rioters and looters across the globe.
It simply cannot work on such a large scale, how can expensive and complicated medical procedures be obtained by the common person without government subsidies?
There is an enormous price to be paid, all for the sake of getting rid "the state." How is it possible for people to rid of discrimination and opression, like the video says, when people can do whatever they want and there is no incentive to be a nice person (as set by society), and no deterrent against being a criminal?
You have it backwards. If the production of food were managed by the state, there would be starvation, as there generally has been when the state has seized the means of production. Only through a free market is economic calculation on the scale needed to feed the world's population possible.
But of course, some anarchists are also anti-market, as crazy as that sounds. There is often confusion on this, since there are different kinds of anarchists. I'll agree that non-market anarchism is quite unworkable on multiple levels.
Without government, getting tractors and farm machinery will be harder. There will also no longer be federal farm aid, which helps farmes quite a bit.
Also, no police too fend off looters, worsened by the fact many farmers wont be able to afford private security.
Have you considered at all that if the present number of farmers would not be able to make a living without government aid, perhaps there should not be as many farmers? The US agricultural industry is massively over-invested in due to the protectionism and subsidy afforded to it by the government. Without those distorting effects, everyone except some politically privileged corporations would be better off, including many poor farmers from around the world who are excluded from American markets by trade barriers erected in the name of "helping farmers."
It is not even the job of police to fend off looters now. Courts have consistently ruled that the police have no obligation to protect anyone. In terms of personal security, farmers are pretty much on their own as is; the loss of the government would not meaningfully change that. Indeed, how can you look at the atrocities the US government has historically undertaken and honestly claim that anarchy could be much worse?
Police cannot be sued for failing to protect someone, however, they almost certainly will show up if prompted to. Dial 911 right now, they will show up.
I'm not sure why you are singling out the US govt, whose accumulated killings are small compared to many historical and modern states.
Genocide and War are not inherent properties of Government, as you appear to believe. Nations have complex reasons in going to war/killing people. Most governments do not participate in this sort of thing.
I would guess that at the very least, several percent of the world population would die from starvation, from being cut off from proper health care, and violence.
Speculation aside, the absence of government does not have a good track record: Somalia shortly after its government collapsed, NO after Katrina, Lebanon during its ridiculously long civil war, warlord-ruled parts of Africa and Afganistan, etc.
OK, juice already responded to your comment about so called 'anarchist' failures in Somalia etc... but I'd like to add that anarchists don't want everyone to be anarchists!
It's not a movement that we feel should be applied to entire nations or anything. I know personally I just resent that capitalism FORCES me to participate in capitalism. EG. I MUST work if I want to have a roof over my head, and eat, and so on. There is no option to not participate in some way. So a lot of anarchists (although I'm sure not all of them!) just want to be able to operate independently without the government shutting us down just because we don't need them. It's not like we want to force everyone to submit to anarchism, that would be anti-anarchist!
for a nice little manifesto of sorts on this see http://www.tangledwilderness.org/?p=192
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basically i, as an anarcha-feminist, do not seek an entire anarchist "state" or "nation" because i feel that the ideas of state and nation infer that we as humans are monolithic groups depending on geography. I would just prefer to have the option to not participate in things that i find oppressive like wage slavery, etc.
Could anyone here recommend to me some anarchist theory resources? I am definitely one of the 9/10 of individuals who have no idea what the philosophy espouses - largely because my high school education pretty much taught that anarchism theory = everyone running around murdering everyone else. I suspect this is inaccurate. And kind of akin to the "we must have capitalism or no one will work and we will become communists" rhetoric that was also prominent in civics courses.
First thing, there are several different forms of anarchy, who disagree, essentially, one the nature of private property as a right. I'm most familiar with market anarchy, but there are others, which are all essentially socialist in nature but which try to get out of calling themselves that by being socialist on a very small scale.
If you want recommendations, I'd have to suggest The Ethics of Liberty, by Murray Rothbard. I haven't read much of it and so can't really comment on its content, but the views espoused therein seem to be regarded as representative of what market anarchists mean when they identify themselves as such.
Oh, and also, Man, Economy, and State, also by Murray Rothbard, and which is incidentally available on for free online. It covers a lot of economics before getting to where it argues against the state, but since economics and social organization are inseparable, I'd think it is essential to understand a philosophy's stance on both economics and politics to understand it at all.
Emma Goldman, "Anarchy and Other Essays"
Derrick Jensen, too.
I always recommend INCITE!'s Color of Violence and Andrea Smith's Conquest. Essays of Emma Goldman and Voltairine de Cleyre. Cindy Milstein. Go to wikipedia for the bare bones of anarchism [and hopefully whatever it says this week is accurate enough].
And there is no shortage of food on this planet. I could write a whole damn book on it, but those books have already been written. Look up Vandana Shiva titles.
I loved Conquest! Andrea Smith came to speak here in Eugene for the Beyond Patriarchy conference, and I read it to prepare for it.
Hey if you want to tell me where you live then I could let you know whether there's a good infoshop (radical bookstore/hangout spot) that would have all kinds of great books and probably some free zines and papers too. They could totally recommend things for you as well. If you live in a city I would totally recommend getting involved in the local anarchist scene, it's as good a way as any to find out what anarchists are all about.
You could also try this website to find out if there's anything in your area : http://slingshot.tao.ca/rclist.php
The label "anarchism" has been used pretty wildly, but there are few core ideas that all anarchists believe.
I hope this not too incoherent or boring or too long, cause it's my first attempt at writing it down like this. I tried to read it over few times, to catch mistakes, but some will probably sneak in.
I'm going to speak for all anarchists which is a bit pretentious, but it would take to long to sort it out otherwise.
What anarchists believe:
1) opposition to all forms of domination
(this is vague I know). It includes both domination that is directly backed by threat of violence (slavery, control by fathers/husbands in a patriarchal family) and the kind of domination that people "accept" (you must obey your asshole boss, you must not argue with the police if you're on the bottom of the social hierarchy, you must dress modestly or what you get is what you deserve, etc.)
Anarchists oppose all forms of ideologies of supremacy: male, racial, national, ethnic, religious, etc. This is a no-brainer.
2) opposition to private property.
Private property is not things like your own house (owning your house only affects yourself and people you care about), but things that give you real social power - things like owning ideas (patents, copyright), water, land, copper mines, workplaces of all sort, means of communication and so on. Anarchists believe that natural resources and collectively produced property (like a car factory that takes a thousand of workers to build) should be totally free for anyone to use, just as water and land once were. There are glimpses of that sort of world right here and now. There is freely edited Wikipedia, or the Paris Commune when it existed and the anarchist controlled parts of Spain (people got by fine) during the Spanish revolution.
Capitalism tries to take what we produce by working together and to place it private hands. It doesn't matter if we produce it under their terms (at work for a wage) or as a society (like a new genre of underground music). Our work ends up enhancing the social power of few private owners. So anarchist oppose that.
Anarcho-capitalist are people who support private capital and everyone having an equal chance to be a capitalist. Most anarchists do not consider them to be anarchists at all, because they believe in "freely chosen" domination. In the 150 years of anarchism it has always been the most powerful when it was a part of worker's movement (when it was socialist).
3) opposition to the state
The government and their institutions like police, prisons, social workers, schools, military and others. Anarchist oppose these institutions (not equally, as social workers for example can be annoying, but can also be helpful, while militaries kill people as their job) we oppose them because their purpose is to shape and control our activity in order preserve the existing social order.
This order is based on oppression and domination, so the state does what it can to preserve that. some people believe the state can be changed to maintain a different order, one based on equality, but anarchists don't think this is workable.
the state has to be a separate power to maintain anything (equality or domination). it has to control society towards that purpose. so it's already unequal, because the administrators of the state have to be more powerful than ordinary people to enforce equality on ordinary people. it might involve policing, making listening to certain ideas mandatory (their methods can be as benign as schools or as bad as forced brain washing), prisons, etc. so there can be no equality if one class of people (state administrators) are more powerful.
the oppressions we experience helps the preserve this system of domination, it helps it function. it works to buy off the loyalty of the losers who are getting dominated themselves. like the dirt poor white folk who supported slavery, cause at least they were white and so had "dignity". like a schoolyard bully getting bullied by his father. we all know we have to deal with the bigger bully first. anarchists think the state is the biggest bully. also, oppression makes the experience of submission the near universal (excluding straight middle class white guys) - that is equally helpful to the state and its administrators.
also, when the state collapses, you don't get anarchism - you get civil war or warlordism. that's because you get several people competing to be the new state. places like Somalia have nothing to do with anarchy (in the anarchist sense), because those states collapsed from competing powers within (the worst case for any state), not from ordinary people taking over the country.
during the Katrina distaster, informal organization of local people and some anarchist/activist from around the country were the most effective sources of aid. they operated on anarchist basis (people deciding on the spot most of the time or in assemblies for larger decisions instead of waiting for the decisions to trickle down from their leaders) for the sake of faster response and greater efficiency. they got there quicker than Red Cross or the government and they did not come in armed in tanks. Check out the Common Ground collective for an example.
anarchism worked during the Spanish revolution because of a hundred years of cooperative tradition and organization building - anarchist ideas were widespread by then.
3) insistence that only we can liberate ourselves.
this doesn't mean that only women can end patriarchy (because ending patriarchy would liberate men too), but it means opposition to politicians and leaders in society and in our movements. natural leaders may always exist (I dunno), but we must retain democratic control because even progressive leaders will try to integrate our struggles into the existing social hierarchy (where they will get more recognition and media respect), but this will neutralize our struggles. if we are against the social hierarchies then we only engage with them because we've hit a limit in the existing society, not because it's a victory. for example, many black leaders of the civil right struggle got snugly integrated into the white power structure. once officially in power, they diverted black people's radical demands for justice into calls for better leaders (for justice). they even put down strikes by the same black unions they had fought for earlier in their careers.
4) a belief that we all benefit if we work together.
this is grade school stuff I know, but so many people believe that we benefit the most when people compete for rewards (the capitalist take on human nature), so it's worth repeating this truism endlessly. everybody 'knows' that there are others are looking to talk advantage of them, so why not be the first one? working together shows us that this is false and suddenly we have less desire to dominate or be dominated, we become more willing to share our stuff and abilities freely and begin to trust that others will do the same. And so everyone does.
"to each according to the need and from each according to the abilities" stops sounding like a disastrous accounting formula, or some idealistic nonsense and begins sounding more like a sensible rule of thumb.
most people know this rule in their family (unspoken) and less often among friends (depending on culture). the hierarchical society tries to undermine it, cooperation and opposition to the basis of that society (competition and domination, capitalism and the state) expands the scope of this rule.
So that's my take on anarchism. there are many different strains of anarchism too, the one I've described should be called anarchist-communism if you care. nothing to do with cuba or soviet union, which are as communist as the republicans.
For a different take here's a way better written pamphlet "WORK. COMMUNITY. POLITICS. WAR"
http://www.prole.info/wcpw/
I'm glad to see people talking about anarchism on feministing. I would like this site had more radical, working class feminist content.
The best is the stuff about ordinary people taking matters into their own hands against patriarchy.
The worst is stuff like the story about corporate foundations trying to help women get better wages. I just don't trust them being nice, because they make more profit if they pay women less. Since their funding corporations exist to make profit, it would hurt them to raise wages across the board for women. I don't have the time to speculate why they might try to do that anyway, but I know the whole history of capitalism is filled with bloody struggles over wages by women and men and those struggle haven't gone away anywhere.
the one called OpportunityNYC sounds very offensive and patronizing frankly.
Juice, this is a pretty good description of anarchism, which isn't an easy thing to do. Good work.
Can I just say how happy I am to see something ANARCHIST on this website? I was really getting sick of the lack of radicalism here. I think we need an anarchist headcount on this site!
yessss. i agree.
i also think i need to start writing more community posts about radical ideas...especially anti-police anti-prison industrial complex.
you should write some stuff on the community blog too! and get feministing readers acquainted with anarchism, as it seems there is not a really legit understanding amongst some readers here...