Who's smirkin' now, sucka?
Remember the anti-feminist lawyer who was suing Columbia for offering Women's Studies courses because, according to him, it's discriminatory towards men? His case (not surprisingly) was thrown out last week by a Manhattan judge.
This is not the only case Roy Den Hollander has pursued; he's also filed lawsuits against clubs that offer Ladies Nights (because of course that's feminism's doing?), and is pretty blatant in the acknowledgment that his sole purpose in life is working against the evil feminist machine, saying:
"What I'm trying to do now in my later years is fight everybody who violates my rights... the Feminazis have infiltrated institutions, and there's been a transfer of rights from guys to girls."
Holy eloquence. Is this dude really a lawyer? Also not surprisingly, when the judge dismissed his suit, Hollander "assailed the judge as [insert gasp] a feminist" and claimed that "[w]hen it comes to men's rights, judges act with an arrogance of power, ignorance of the law, and fear of the feminists."
There are too many contradictions there even worth repeating, but regardless you better be careful - that kind of talk may not bode well with The Feminists...
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Lost his case, but still single, ladies!
Isnt he with his mail order bride?
Maybe he should be somebody's mail order husband (just remember to cut air holes in the top of the box)
"just remember to cut air holes in the top of the box"
((Pttttht!))...Why?!!!!!
He probably chains the fridge shut so he can control what she eats. That way she doesn't get too fat for his taste and won't have enough energy to sass back at him.
L-M-A-O! (for a double LOL effect, you see)
Am I the only one who gets totally offended by the term "Feminazi"?
So feminists are... Nazis? We're fascits who commit genocide? Really?
lol, it's the Godwin's Law. for people who can't think of a good intelligent argument, so they scream "Nazi" at other people who have different beliefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
I have a piece of flair on my facebook that says:
"Feminazi
Because wanting to be treated as a human being is just like invading Poland"
that's right, I fight the fight with the cunning use of sarcasm.
LOVE it! I gotta hunt that down now...
May I borrow this for a signature? I will credit you of course.
The term "feminazi" was coined by Rush Limbaugh. That alone speaks volumes.
I never understood that either. Rush (pig) invented that term. It also makes it sound like we want to genocide misogyny, which, isnt that good? Racismnazi, homophobianazi, ignorancenazi, genocidenazi, starvationnazi.....
Can I just point out the inherent irony in "genocidenazi"?
Still single... LOL.
I actually saw this guy speak at Columbia (a women's group invited him, just to hear him speak about his cases, and to see if he was serious, I think). It was immediately obvious that he has some personal problems with women and a bad case of persecution complex. Also, he consistently referred to adult females as "girls" and made a lot of references to how he gets laid a lot.
Some of those present tried to argue with him against the logic of his cases, rather articulately, but there is no reasoning with this guy. You're either with him or with "the FEMINISTS." He honestly believes that being a woman is so much easier than being a man in our culture. I am so glad his case got thrown out. It was such a waste of time and money.
Am I the only one who gets totally offended by the term "Feminazi"?
I have always found the term to be a slur. Nazis are as bad as any group that ever existed. I'm a feminist and Jewish, and it offends me that anyone could make the connection between nazis and feminists. The one thing you have to consider is the source. I'm sure that if Limbaugh could have coined a term connecting the Civil Right movement and nazis he would have done that too.
When I've been called that I call them misogonazi's. Its a mouthfull, but tosses it back in their face. What sounds worse; feminazi or misogynazi?
and there's been a transfer of rights from guys to girls
That is a rather telling quote...
...of course, all that means is "when women get the same rights men do, that's an infringement of the male's right to be the only one with that right."
I love this logic. "Gays can marry? My right to impose my Christianity is being trampled on! Women make the same money I do? My right to be financially superior is being trampled on!" The bully complaining his "rights to bully" are taken away.
"when women get the same rights men do, that's an infringement of the male's right to be the only one with that right."
Egg-xactly.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others?
Makes me think of some reactions to women keeping their last name when they get married.
It's 50/50. He keeps the name he's grown up with. She keeps the name she's grown up with.
But someone always seems to see it as a balance of power in the woman's favor. "Guess we know who wears the pants in that relationship."
And agh.
When I got married and my partner and I *both* choose to hyphenate, our male friends reacted with "HA-HA, you're taking your wife's name!"
When I got married and my partner and I *both* choose to hyphenate, our male friends reacted with "HA-HA, you're taking your wife's name!"
...I can't even describe the face I'm making right now.
Sheesh.
I don't understand this guy. He is operating on the premise that women shouldn't have anything "separated out" unless men do?
Does he understand what women's studies is? We have a history of oppression based solely on our gender that men do not. We have a history of purposeful unequal treatment due to our gender that men do not. We have a history of slavery and subservience due to our gender that men do not.
What, exactly, makes for a "men's studies" course? The history of how they oppressed, enslaved, and mistreated women?
The mistreatment of men throughout history has never been due to their gender, but rather due to their race, religion, or socio-economic class. Which affected the women of those races, religions, and socio-economic classes as well...except WORSE.
Some lawyer. Maybe he should revisit Philosophy of Logic 101.
Actually, we have a men's studies course at my school. It counts for the GWS minor.
It basically looks at masculinity and questions it being what it is now. You know, aggressive, non-feminine, tough... Think Jackson Katz.
I plan to take it.
That sounds like Susan Falludi's "Stiffed: The Betrayal of the American Man". The oppression of men through cultural expectations mainly due to socio-economic standing and expectations of them.
Let us know how the class goes.
I took a class similar to this last semester. It was on the way society creates a hegemonic masculine ideal that men are forced to accept through self-policing, social panopticon, homophobic rhetoric, etc. I feel like I understand my women's studies classes regarding the construction of hegemonic femininity better now that I have spent time learning about both.
As an aside, most departments chose to keep the name "Women's Studies" as a tribute to the women who pioneered the discipline, while the degrees typically focus on not just the history/politics of women, but also gender and sexuality.
I actually think a male studies class or program could be fantastic, if it focused on how men are damaged by the patriarchy themselves, how it's enforced by media, society and economics, and how men can get involved to dismantle it alongside feminists.
if it focused on how men are damaged by the patriarchy themselves, how it's enforced by media, society and economics, and how men can get involved to dismantle it alongside feminists.
Aren't some colleges/universities moving more toward a Gender Studies curriculum that encompasses the traditional Women's Studies with an added focus on Men and masculinity? (Or am I embellishing on what I've seen a couple universities doing?)
On the subject of patriarch hurting men and dismantling:
...I can't count how many blame-feminism arguments I've seen that bring up things like the stereotype of the bumbling, foolish, or outright incompetent father/husband stereotype in sitcoms and commercials.
I definitely think courses about men and masculinity (and the political and socio-economic relevance) might help break down some of this garbage.
But I guess, in the end, I am curious as to how many men would take them...
Hunter College in NYC is doing this. They just changed the department name from Women's Studies to Women's and Gender Studies and they're supposed to be implementing masculinity classes into the curriculum. So far there's just one, though: "Politics of Masculinity."
if it focused on how men are damaged by the patriarchy themselves, how it's enforced by media, society and economics, and how men can get involved to dismantle it alongside feminists.
Aren't some colleges/universities moving more toward a Gender Studies curriculum that encompasses the traditional Women's Studies with an added focus on Men and masculinity? (Or am I embellishing on what I've seen a couple universities doing?)
On the subject of patriarch hurting men and dismantling:
...I can't count how many blame-feminism arguments I've seen that bring up things like the stereotype of the bumbling, foolish, or outright incompetent father/husband stereotype in sitcoms and commercials.
I definitely think courses about men and masculinity (and the political and socio-economic relevance) might help break down some of this garbage.
But I guess, in the end, I am curious as to how many men would take them...
Eh. Sorry for the double post. (I thought I only hit submit once...)
That may be the best caption I've ever seen on this site.
Wouldn't it be fabulous if there actually were a FeMafia we could deploy against asshats like this? Judges, cops, foot soldiers, at our disposal! [Insert dream sequence here]
YES!!!
I took a class that could count as men's studies. It discussed a few different areas, but one main one was a class examining the portrayal of archetypal male stereotypes in film and other media, and their relationship to reality.
My favorite was Rock Hudson.
Hell, I majored in men's studies. Popular classes within the department included "Psychoanalysis in Literature," "Shakespeare's Comedies," "The Rise of the Novel," "Modernism," "The Beat Generation" and "Introduction to Theory."
You beat me to it! I was going to say that I had taken a few men's studies courses: Anatomy, Psych 101, American History, European History, Shakespeare, Advanced American Literature, History of Science, Philosophy of Science...
There was a class on the beat generation? That is the coolest thing I've ever heard.
Nah nah nah nah.. hey hey hey GOOODDDD BYYYEEE!!!!
What a load of crap! I am soo happy to know just guy wasn't given the time of day in court! Lets move on.
-sophia
If only feminists had as much power as this guy claims.
You beat me to it! I was going to say: sometimes I read anti-feminist screeds bemoaning all of the superpowers we feminists possess and I think, "gee, wouldn't it be awesome if we had that much ability to shape national and international policy and public opinion?"
My grandpa used to tell a joke like this...
Two Jewish guy reading newspapers... one is reading a fairly secular and balanced Yiddish language paper, the other one was reading some neo-nazi literature... the one turns to the other and says "how can you read that trash!? I mean, those people tell such awful lies about us!"
The other turns and says, "I just prefer to read about a world in which I'm rich and powerful, controlling the media and the banks, than one in which I'm just another person struggling to get by."
One of my majors is public relations. When I'm not doing course/socializing work I like to imagine how it would be if publicists changed the idea of feminism nationwide and really slammed down assholes like Dr. Laura, this dude and all the other misogynists. I think there's opportunity for it.
Still single, I can't believe it, shocked, shocked I say.
He's not just single. His marriage to a Russian woman fell apart several years back, prompting his new career to fight the "evils" of feminism. Apparently when he and his wife came to America, she decided she was done with him. And THAT is the fault of Western women, for teaching her that she has agency and crazy stuff like that.
Let me guess-- she was a mail-order bride? I guess it never occurred to him that if women had as much as he thinks they do, they wouldn't need to use marriage to make a better life for themselves.
Sorry, I meant to say as much *power* as he thinks they do
I think she was a mail order bride. Misogynist 'men' usually go to struggling countries to exploit their circumstances and get a woman who is ddesperate to get out. They go to these countries because Western women are too 'uppity.' I guess he got angry that women in struggling countries dont tolerate misogyny when they dont have too either. What a capital A asshole.
Come on folks, you know that rights are a finite resource that can be USED UP. If we don't watch out, women (and immigrants and gays and everyone else) will get them all and there will be none left for those poor oppressed white guys! Our feminist idealist rhetoric can't stand up to this inalienable fact.
... Sheesh. There really is no limit to idiocy, is there?
Thanks, I needed that laugh. :)
But of course sexism doesn't exist in colleges! :eyeroll: In fact I called out a guy on his sexism yesterday when he said "women are crazy." He claimed it was a joke but I didn't buy it since he has a track record for making offensive comments. He apologized after I told the teacher (she wasn't in the room at the time) but I don't believe he actually meant it. He would have never apologized if I didn't tell the teacher.
Actually, no offense, but he is right. Past oppressions are BS today and victim mentality of women does no good to themselves. Women scholarships, women studies are just sexism.
By the way, the history of oppression isn't THAT bad. It's just like those made up statistics that one in four women survived rape - and anyone who took a statistics class knows that the sample wasn't representative if they look into it. Plus, the study wasn't even about rape itself. I would rather stay home and cook than go into a mine. Or be drafted for a war. Or go to jail for my wife's debts. The way resources and industries were then, men had it harder even though they enjoyed slightly more freedom and rights. Of course, it's easier to want a corner office job now.
And even if I loathe patriarchy and women not having equal rights, the current society is just the reverse.
OMG. Thank you for your enlightening comment; I have seen the error of my feminist ways.
The history of the oppression of women ISN’T bad at all! There have never been different oppressive standards for women that didn’t exist for men! And studying the history of a minority that is not represented well in history IS some sort of –ism. In this case sexism! Incredible.
As for current society being just the reverse of the past. YOU ARE SOOO RIGHT. Women have so many opportunities these days that men don’t have, while enjoying always being seen as superior to men in every way.
First of all, those "rape statistics" are not made up. There wasn't just one study that found that, there have been many, many studies that have found similar rates among many different populations of women, some representative of large groups (U.S. women) and some of smaller groups (i.e. college women). Hm, women didn't get the vote until 1920, which is a pretty big (HUGE) oppressive thing right there. Not having the right to elect those who are supposed to represent everyone is problematic; it still is today with only 17% of the U.S. Congress being women and representing approximately 50% of the population. Those are a few examples. I'm not saying that men have not had their share of hardships throughout history, but I don't think you're understanding the whole situation.
You're right. I guess it wasn't THAT BAD that women couldn't manage their own money, buy or sel property, inherit property, vote and were barred from being lawyers, doctors or any remotely intellectual profession because universities wouldn't accept them.
And it wasn't that bad that so many women died in childbirth, that marital rape was not a crime, nor wife beating, and that rape generally was not prosecuted very much.
And yeah, so many women stayed home while their husbands were in the coal mines or at war. Wait, what's that?? Women still had to work in factories, sweat shops, laundries and workhouses? And when the boys were at war, they had to work as well as fearing systematic rapes by enemy soldiers?
And what about the present? We may have made some strides towards equality, but it's pretty damn provincial of you to claim everything is so fabulous when little girls are being married off to old men in the Middle East, women in the Dominican Republic can't get abortions even to save their lives, and the rape prosecution rate in the supposedly civilized UK is abysmal. Oh, and let's not forget all the untested rape kits in this country and all the crappy "morality clauses" passed by the government.
Yeah, the womenz have it so good!
troll
But still...how about you, you single sweetheart?
This troll sounds just like a far distant relative of mine who decided to come onto my facebook and tell me the pay gap doesn't exist and statistics are lies, blah blah blah. In all his 'eloquence' in trying to tell me how sexism doesn't exist, he ends up calling me a man-hating cunt. I love how people who try to prove sexism doesn't exist just end up proving that it does.
E.g. "they enjoyed slightly more freedom and rights"
Just give him more time, and I have no doubt he'll say more than he really wanted to.
MRA troll. Next were going to hear how date rape was invented by feminists and it used to just be known as surprise sex.
Sarcasm?
If you hate feministing (as it says in your blog), why are you here?
Vanilla -
The rape study was done in Ohio about 20 years ago - they asked women if certain types of conduct had been done to them...conduct which happened to constitute Rape as defined by the laws of the State of Ohio.
One out of three of those women answered that at least one of those types of rape conduct had been done to them at some point in their lives.
His word choices make him sound like he's an undergrad talking in the dining hall about what happened at the party last night.
Maybe we could send "The Feminist Mafia" after him? LOL.
omg did he really call feminists feminazis? well it would have been absurd for him to win his case and im so happy that he didnt. he sounds so arrogant and ignorant, it's people like him that make everything so much harder than it should be. i can't believe that they let people like this become lawyers, he should be banned from practicing law.
Ha! Serves him right! Of course, I have a feeling that we'll be seeing him again, probably when he files a discrimination suit to have the word "menopause" changed to "womenopause".
The wrath of the Feminist Mafia is frightening to behold, Apricoco! Their enemies have been known to wake up and find a copy of "The Feminine Mystique" in their beds! Men who truly anger them have had their girlie magazines buried in the middle of the desert!
:: Godfather theme music plays in the background ::
WOW. That man is an absolute lunatic. People like that leave me speechless, because you know that no matter how articulate and informed your response is, he will never accept it. He will cry "FEMINAZI" no matter how ludicrous it becomes to do so or how harmful it is to people's cultural attitudes toward gender.
It reminds me of arguing with my mother. So depressing. Her beliefs: that homosexuality is a mortal sin and that marriage is between one man and one woman, even though she claims to believe in equal rights and was involved in the civil rights movement as a young woman. I have told her I think it's hilarious that a black woman who grew up in the 1960s would be so discriminating. She just doesn't see it that way. She thinks it's an issue of morality, not equality and she constantly operates under the assumption that conservative Christians are "under attack" by the "liberal/feminist/secular world" and that "traditional" values are being stifled in every Gender Studies class or similar setting. Suffice it to say, we don't have the best relationship, since I've made it clear that I am a feminist and I completely disagree with her. She will never listen to anything I have to say regarding those subjects, and I suspect Roy Den Hollander wouldn't accept my response either.
I think our best defense against this insanity is turning to the people (particularly young people) who are vulnerable to this kind of propaganda and misleading bullshit.
I've accepted that debating issues regarding feminism or gay rights with my mother only causes our relationship to erode further.
I hate that word "Feminazi". Its really offensive. To me its equating advocates of womens rights to the perpetrators of genocide! Thats not me, thank you very much!
Anyone who wants to laugh should view the complaint, available on the jackass's own website:
http://www.roydenhollander.com/documents/FirstAmndCmplnt1.pdf
Some choice excerpts (remember, he's trying to argue that Feminism with a capital F is a religion and that the programs in question thus violate the First Amendment):
"[IRWG] Inculcates beliefs based on the teachings of certain prophet-like individuals, such as
Betty Freidan."
"IRWG’s administrators and teachers act similarly to priestesses by keeping and
teaching Feminist tenets."
"Religion includes an irrational belief system that has the power to cause its followers to act
against their self-interest [...] The Feminism propagated by Women’s Studies at Columbia University has, among others, the following irrationalities in that it:
a. advocates a quota-ocracy as opposed to a meritocracy,
[...]
d. believes an accident of nature, being born female, entitles females to preferential
treatment,
[...]
f. lobbied for and received Federal and State offices dedicated to female health when
ladies live longer than males, and
g. propagates the belief that females are divine princesses and men the minions of Satan,
a proposition for which there is no proof, only faith."
"The adherence to Feminism causes female followers to act against their self-interest. For
example, Feminism generally alienates men with the result that Feminists often wake up in
the middle of the night crying because they are alone."
"IRWG adopts and propagates the modern-day religion of Feminism with its denominational
tenets through IRWG lectures, seminars, consciousness indoctrination sessions, publications,
career preparations, counseling, historical revisionism, propagandizing, unanimity of thought
labeled “politically correct,” a pantheon of idols such as Mary Wollstonecraft, de facto
disciples and apostles, and three public lecture series."
"In an analogy to athletics, Women’s Studies programs are today the varsity sport of
choice for females at Columbia in its never-ending war against men."
"The defendants’ advocacy and furthering of Feminism and training of Feminists
derogates and demeans males while propagandizing the superiority of females with a harm
similar, although not yet as egregious, as the Nazification of universities in Germany during
the 1930s when education demonized the Jews while demanding genuflection to an Aryan
throne."
Here's he's talking about the hypothetical program in Men's Studies that he supposedly wanted to enroll in:
"Further, Men’s Studies trains males to recognize and handle the powers females often use
to manipulate them, such as the male-paralyzing power of beauty, sexual power, verbal
skills, victim power, and the male biological instinct to protect females at the price of harm to
himself."
"Men’s Studies instructs males, as other educational programs at Columbia do not, on how
to avoid false accusations by females of sexual harassment or rape, which could send a man
to prison for decades because the female who had previously consented woke up the next
morning with second thoughts."
"Columbia’s Women’s Studies program trains females to use tears, tantrums, fraud, threats
of an unjust legal system, and sex to take advantage of men and any institution that involves
men in order to get what they want but may not deserve."
Nut. Case.
"Nut. Case."
You. Said. It!
Hee hee. Considering he says that "Religion includes an irrational belief system that has the power to cause its followers to act
against their self-interest" and promotes "proposition[s] for which there is no proof, only faith," then his belief system would, by his own definition, count as a religion.
ugh.. i can't believe this man is a lawyer. if you are impaired you cannot consent!!!!!! someone revoke his license!
Damn it. He's found out our cunning plan! The Feminazi's plan of a military junta must be started anew! Many bothans died to get him that information.
It's antifeminist to be misandrist, the people who think feminism is all "male bashing" have no idea what they're talking about!