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The Truth About Perez Hilton & Miss California

As always, Jay Smooth breaks it down.

Posted by Jessica - April 23, 2009, at 03:15PM | in Media , Politics , Queer Issues , Video

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[0+] Author Profile Page MLEmac28 said:

Oh my God, I think I just orgasmed.

[0+] Author Profile Page Vivica said:

Jay Smooth, will you be my boyfriend?

[0+] Author Profile Page Toni said:

The cat wants to learn how to play guitar. Sorry, I'm in a random mood today.

[0+] Author Profile Page Opheelia replied to Toni :

I was totes distracted by guitar cat, too.

[0+] Author Profile Page rhowan said:

Psssh, Miss California isn't a time traveler from the future, that's waaaay too complicated and conspiracy theorist-y. The real answer is obvious... she's a secret Canadian. (I'd guess Albertan since she does still think marriage should be between a man and a woman). :D

[0+] Author Profile Page Chelsa replied to rhowan :

Awww, come on. Don't be hatin' on the Albertans. ^_^

[0+] Author Profile Page BROWN TRASH PUNK! said:

transcript?

[0+] Author Profile Page rhowan replied to BROWN TRASH PUNK! :

By default can we encourage posters to include transcripts (or at least a synopsis) of videos in their posts? I know there are a number of deaf readers, and also sometimes videos won't play for people outside of the United States.

And some of us sneak Feministing in at work, where audio would give us away. :)

[0+] Author Profile Page Samira replied to rhowan :

And some of us even just are so poor we only own a PC that's not able to play clips without crashing...

[0+] Author Profile Page borrow_tunnel replied to BROWN TRASH PUNK! :

I think if we had a transcript, we'd have the same effect we got with the Sarah Palin interviews, where we see how much of what she said is non sequiturs and just plain untrue. You even get the same "in this great land that I live in" kind of language Palin uses. As if making these grand, sweeping statements automatically adds weight and depth to what you're saying. I know this is a Red Herring fallacy, but I'd just like to point it out.

[0+] Author Profile Page ronin said:

So glorious.

[0+] Author Profile Page foxglove finn said:

First, awesome video.

Second, I really love this blog, but I find the persistent lack of transcripts to be extremely ableist. This should be an inclusive and respectful community, so I think it's important that every video be coupled with a transcript. I've seen a lot of people comment on this problem before, so I know I'm not the only person that feels this way.

I know adding transcripts will take extra time and effort, but I think it's worth it to make this a community that doesn't exclude those people who are unable to hear the audio on these videos.

[0+] Author Profile Page mhwang said:

He's got quite the way with words. In a good way, not like such as and.

This is hilarious! Love it. The cat in background is funny to watch also.

[0+] Author Profile Page vtfem said:

Also, only in pageants and fairy tales do they use the word "land". Why can't they learn terms like "state", "country", even "nation" would be a step up.

[0+] Author Profile Page Eresbel replied to vtfem :

Nation would be technically untrue as a nation is a homogenous group of people. Palestine is a nation. The United States is a state.

Good call on the calls for transcripts, feminist friends. This should at least help in the short term.

I’m making a video every day for the rest of this month. Some of them will be regular videos, like yesterday. Some of them will be a little more… random. So for those of you who might be uncomfortable with randomness, I will now institute a labeling system. Form now on when you see the words “minidoctrine” in the title, you’ll know that this is something random that might not be fore you.

And speaking of random and things that you might want to skip—The Miss USA pageant! Perez Hilton caused a scandal asking Miss California how she felt about gay marriage:

“Well I think it’s great that Americans can choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same sex marriage or opposite marriage. And, you know what? In my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there. But that’s how I was raised and that’s how I think that it should be between a man and a woman. Thank you.”

Watching that clip raises a lot of questions for me. Questions such as “Why do beauty pageants still exist?” This ritual seems so out of place to me in 2009, like watching a renaissance faire. My twitter friends pointed out to me that beauty pageants are a leading source of scholarship money for young women, which is something. But I mean, if that scholarship is coming along with some crazy messages about how women are supposed to be valued. It’s like we’re pulling you up as a reward for letting us push you down- do you really come out ahead in that? It’s like a patriarchal metaphysical conundrum.

But in the meantime, right-wingers across the land area already hailing Miss California as their new champion. The Joan of arc and/or Joe the plumber of the anti-gay marriage movement. And on the surface I guess that does make sense. but I don’t know, when I take a closer look at her answer, I start to wonder what side she’s really on.

For example, when most people in her position talk about heterosexual marriage they call it “normal marriage” but she didn’t do that. She called it “opposite marriage”- do you see what she did there? she struck a blow against heteronormative nomenclature! And she started out her answer by telling us how proud she is to live in a land where everyone can choose what kind of a marriage they want.

Now of course, that’s not true about this land that we live in, but she never said she was from this land. Do you see where I’m going with this? My theory is that Miss California is from another land that exists in the future! A land where she’s free to have her beliefs without them being legislated on anyone else.

Perez Hilton, listen to me. All you need to do is go to Miss California, and tell her she’s been teleported back to present day America without her knowledge and she will join your side. She will lead you to victory! And then you can fix her flux capacitor and send her back home to the future. The truth is out there.

[0+] Author Profile Page afb1221 replied to radishette :

thankyou for this!

[0+] Author Profile Page BROWN TRASH PUNK! replied to radishette :

ohhh nice... that is excellent. thank u!

[0+] Author Profile Page ElleStar said:

I've loved Jay Smooth since Feministing first started showing some of his vlogs.

But then he referenced The X-Files.

And now I'm really struggling against the temptation to devote all of my spare time fangirling him.

[0+] Author Profile Page Jessica Lee said:

This was a really good video. I'll have to check him out more often.

ElleStar- Just give in to the temptation. I'm surprised there isn't a "Jay Smooth Fangirl" group on Facebook yet. Just joined the Ill Doctrine group, tho.

That's great. I wasn't expecting that there at the end, but it was hilarious.

[0+] Author Profile Page sleepyreader said:

What I find interesting is that Miss California seems to think that same-sex marriage is something that people can choose. She seems to forget that the Federal Government doesn't recognize same-sex marriage.

[0+] Author Profile Page jlw replied to sleepyreader :

Maybe it's just the way I took it, but I think Jay's point about Miss California not being from THIS land, but from a land in the future addresses this. I think his point is that, instead of her being seen as another right-winger who wants their religious views legislated on everyone, her words suggest that she actually DOES want people to be able to choose the kind of marriage that they believe in. Therefore, we should hold her to those words and help her to see that at this point in time, it's not the reality that everyone can make their own choice about what they want marriage to look like. I think that's what he was trying to get at. And I agree that it's a useful way of handling this type of attitude toward same-sex marriage.

[0+] Author Profile Page Audrey said:

Cute cat. Also dig the sci-fi reference.

[0+] Author Profile Page Lilith Luffles said:

Hehe. That was funny. I agree about the Beauty Pageants... it's like... "We think you should only go to college if we find you pretty and sparkly enough."

[0+] Author Profile Page lefthandedpenguin replied to Lilith Luffles :

don't forget white enough

that woman was wearing so much bling, i think i was temporarily blinded.

ahhh, the dangers of HD. ;)

i think her victim complex is repulsive.....going on and on about how's she's a christian martyr for the truth. um, miss california? YOU CAME IN SECOND PLACE IN A BEAUTY PAGEANT. hardly the pinnacle of suffering.

[0+] Author Profile Page lefthandedpenguin said:

is this guy... my new feminist hero? wow.

[0+] Author Profile Page cattrack said:

Very clever, very funny. I wish Perez Hilton had his style, wit & charm...and maybe the hard Right wouldn't have a ready made "Joan of Arc" for the next 5 years.

[0+] Author Profile Page 007HUrider said:

O my goodness. This was perfect.
Bravo.

[0+] Author Profile Page dancingnancie3 said:

I think people need to let up on Miss California. She has a traditional view on marriage and that is okay. If anything, i respect her for giving her real opinion on the issue! Anyway, i found this video today that shows how different news outlets are covering the story... definitely worth a look:

http://www.newsy.com/videos/miss_california_stands_by_pageant_answer/

I agree with you that she shouldn't be getting crap just for holding the viewpoint that she does and being straightforward about it. I do think she would have been better off answering the question directly, though: he asked if more states should allow gay marriage. If she really believes that it's good to have that choice, shouldn't she have said "I think it should be up to each state"?

But you know, she just might have voted for prop 8. Ouch.

On the other hand, if same-sex marriages were recognized under the full extent of the law in our country, I'd be willing to cut her a break. But instead it's folks like her who have the power to mess with people's lives. Un huh. Accountability.

[0+] Author Profile Page Lisa replied to dancingnancie3 :

I think the whole idea of beauty pageants is ridiculous, but I can understand judging based on the ability to respond rather than the viewpoint. It's a lot like writing about a controversial topic for a class -- the teacher or professor should judge based on how well the argument is structured and reasoned, not whether or not they agree with that particular stance. The thing is, I don't think her response was particularly articulate. It wasn't a Miss South Carolina-level trainwreck, but she didn't even answer the question nor did she offer justification for what little she did say. My opinion on her beliefs aside, it wasn't a very impressive response.

[0+] Author Profile Page nightingale replied to dancingnancie3 :

Her opinion was ignorant (gay people don't have the option of getting married) and homophobic (there's no reason to have marriage or any other commitment be between a man and a woman other than homophobia). Just because she worded it diplomatically doesn't change either of those facts.

I agree with Spike the Cat, it's one thing if gay people were afforded equal rights, but even when putting it nicely, opposing gay marriage opposes equal rights.

I think it's funny how she defended her answer by saying "that's just my opinion and that's how I was raised". You know, this is what people don't understand. Everybody has the right to their own opinion, sure. But if you're competing for Miss USA, can you express an ignorant, bigoted opinion about gay people? I think not. For one thing, half the audience is probably made of gay men, and the judges don't want their Miss USA to get booed when she gets her crown.

Her answer was homophobic because she advocated denying gay people the right to get married. Saying that denying gay people the right to a legal marriage is an acceptable 'traditional' view of marriage is like saying that a racist has the right to say "black people are criminals". I mean, yeah, freedom of speech and all that, but just because you have 'the right' to SAY it, that doesn't mean it's acceptable.

My favourite quote on the matter is from Charmaine Koonce, the mother of Miss New Mexico USA, who said, "In the Bible it says marriage is between Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!"

Well, quite.

Um, no. I agree that she definitely has the freedom to espouse an unpopular opinion, but her support for it was pathetic. "That's just how I was raised" isn't a reason. It's an excuse. It says 'I don't think for myself; I've just latched on to the ideas that were given to me.'

[0+] Author Profile Page Gossamer Facade replied to Clix :

While I agree that everyone has the right to which ever opinion they want to have I don't know that we (as individuals and a society) view all opinions as equally noble. If she had been asked about feminist issues and responded that women belong in the home and shouldn't work or seek education, or if she'd been asked about racial equality and responded that she didn't believe that minorities should be allowed to have the same rights as the white majority, would we have been ok with that? Would she be given some sort of a free pass for honestly stating here opinions then? If no, why is this any different? Sarah Palin honestly stated her opinions that women shouldn't be allowed access to abortions. Did she get a free pass for honestly stating her opinion?

Truth is some opinions really do suck and they are hateful. When a large group of people have these opinions they have a negative impact on the minority groups of the population. For examples o this just look at people's opinions about women (both historically and today) or minority races. Perhaps there are times when an opinion really is more than JUST one's personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. This stuff shapes policies and effects other people that feel very differently.

I'm still puzzling out how to feel about this issue. I do keep hearing that at least she was honest with her opinion, but I'm not so sure that's always a good and positive thing. But at the same time I want to be open-minded to other people's ways of viewing the world. I don't think she should be made into the personification of all that is wrong with the world (clearly her view doesn't exist in a vacuum and there are many others in society that feel the same way) but should we just let her (and all politicians, MRAs, anti-choicers, racists, community leaders, friends, associates, etc.) slide because they were simply HONEST with their opinion?

"That's just how I was raised" isn't a reason. It's an excuse. It says 'I don't think for myself; I've just latched on to the ideas that were given to me.'

THIS.

[0+] Author Profile Page Lisa said:

That was great!

Beauty pageants are such a weird relic from the past. I love how everyone is getting up and arms over the fact that she may have been poorly judged because of her beliefs. But no one seems to question the fact that the contestants are also judged on having silky hair, white teeth, great makeup, beautiful expensive gowns, and ideal bodies. I mean, seriously? It's not ok to judge someone for their beliefs and values but it's A-OK to judge them based on how their tits and ass look in a bikini?

And doesn't Donald Trump own the Miss USA pageant? Inciting controversy was probably intentional and Miss California will probably get more work than the winner because of all the publicity.

I hold a lot of respect for Miss California for actually expressing her views -- kind of. If you really listen to what she said, as Jay Smooth noted, she uses a lot of anti-heteronormative language while still maintaining a conservative stance.

I think Miss California may be a gay rights believer, but not a supporter of gay marriage as a specific issue. I read on another blog (or maybe it was here?) that her sister is a gay rights advocate/activist, as well as a lesbian.

What I have an issue with is that Perez Hilton asked the question and couldn't handle the response given. He called her all sorts of misogynistic things, like "cunt", when she gave an answer he didn't agree with. She is entitled to her opinion, just as much as I, or Perez, may disagree with her.

I'm really curious about her use of the word opposite in reference to heterosexual, civil marriage. I'm curious because she didn't say "opposite sex" and I think she makes the mistake twice; makes me wonder if she was giving the answer she thought the majority of judges wanted to hear as opposed to something more. Once she gives her answer she does have to stick to it through it all -- so, I think there might be something more here than what meets the eyes.

[0+] Author Profile Page Loulouloulou said:

Jay makes my ovaries go *pop*

Yeah, I find it hard to feel sympathetic for Hilton when he uses misogyny to back up his views. I think they invented the word "clusterf@#$" for situations like this.

On the one hand, who here is really surprised that a beauty pageant answer appealed to middle America, at least facially? I think we're all falling into the same trap that Hilton did if we assume her answer was motivated out of brainwashing or false consciousness or whatever. Chances are she's a really sharp person and formulated a very political and diplomatic answer to the majority of people watching. I don't think she was unfairly railroaded by the judges, because as someone mentioned above, it's essentially a subjective judgment, and qualitatively there's no difference between a subjective judgment on opinion and one on appearance.

Bringing up further questions: why politicize such an event at all? If you really want to take a stand for progressive politics, why not refuse to participate in the project, Mr. Hilton, until it's not about swimsuits and gowns but research or contribution to the arts or any other number of deeper ways in which young women impact society around the country? His outrage just rings hollow, and I think that divides, rather than opens dialogue.

Just my .02 cents.

He just used the word "nomenclature" casually, then made a "Back to the Future" joke.

patriarchal metaphysical conundrum

nomenclature

"Back to the Future" and "X-Files" references?


I have such a crush.

Excellent video.

[0+] Author Profile Page Gossamer Facade said:

While I agree that everyone has the right to which ever opinion they want to have I don't know that we (as individuals and a society) view all opinions as equally noble. If she had been asked about feminist issues and responded that women belong in the home and shouldn't work or seek education, or if she'd been asked about racial equality and responded that she didn't believe that minorities should be allowed to have the same rights as the white majority, would we have been ok with that? Would she be given some sort of a free pass for honestly stating here opinions then? If no, why is this any different? Sarah Palin honestly stated her opinions that women shouldn't be allowed access to abortions. Did she get a free pass for honestly stating her opinion?
Truth is some opinions really do suck and they are hateful. When a large group of people have these opinions they have a negative impact on the minority groups of the population. For examples o this just look at people's opinions about women (both historically and today) or minority races. Perhaps there are times when an opinion really is more than JUST one's personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. This stuff shapes policies and effects other people that feel very differently.
I'm still puzzling out how to feel about this issue. I do keep hearing that at least she was honest with her opinion, but I'm not so sure that's always a good and positive thing. But at the same time I want to be open-minded to other people's ways of viewing the world. I don't think she should be made into the personification of all that is wrong with the world (clearly her view doesn't exist in a vacuum and there are many others in society that feel the same way) but should we just let her (and all politicians, MRAs, anti-choicers, racists, community leaders, friends, associates, etc.) slide because they were simply HONEST with their opinion?

[0+] Author Profile Page Gossamer Facade replied to Gossamer Facade :

Eek, sorry for the double post. This is the first post I've ever made here and messed up the system. This was supposed to be a reply todancingnancie3's comment upthread a bit.

Also that was a pretty funny vid. I got so caught up in verbalizing the thoughts I've had on this for a while that I forgot the video that inspired this in the first place :).

[0+] Author Profile Page susanb said:

perez hilton definitely gets on my nerves. i wish he would just disappear. CD Label Software

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