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Schick's Weird Bush Shtick

A few readers wrote in about this commercial, which I had the misfortune of also catching while nursing a headache last night, post-panel:

First of all, can we talk about how totally clunky this whole shtick by Schick is? Could the metaphor be any less subtle? Did they do a focus group where some misguided ladies said that they feel like overgrown hedges just waiting to be trimmed back? (I can understand a little Edward Scissorhands fantasy--Johnny Depp is h-o-t--but otherwise, come on.)

This commercial actually brings up the issue of nature and control. I think women should be able to do whatever the hell they please with the hair down there, but I'm also a pretty big fan of letting it just be. Too many of us spend an exorbitant amount of time on "maintenance" when it comes to our bodies, often motivated--not by a sense of playfulness or joy--but obligation, shame, societal pressure. If you find it fun to trim around or wax it off, more power to you, but I wish women didn't feel like they had to do anything in particular with their own pubic hair in order to be pretty, clean, or acceptable. (Health-wise, your pubic hair actually serves to protect you from infections, FYI.)

P.S. In the mixed messages department, Jersey is considering enforcing their long-standing but neglected ban on bikini waxes.

Posted by Courtney - March 19, 2009, at 09:57AM | in Beauty

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[0+] Author Profile Page jjgirl23 said:

I think it looks kind of useful. But that's just me. I hate that little mini-tree in the commercial though. Apparently I'm an unruly garden plant? nice...

hey! unruly garden plants unite!

I actually agree that the product looks really useful...something I might actually want to purchase. But I hate the commercial.

Now this debate about letting your hair roam free or whatever, I see what you're saying Courtney, but I choose to shave and wax for two reasons.

1. I like the way it looks when it's kept up better. Same goes for the guys I'm with. I prefer they keep up their area as well.

2. (And this is the most important for me) During sex it feels so much better when I have little to no hair down there. The more hair I have the less sensation on my clit and the less fun for me.

[0+] Author Profile Page jjgirl23 replied to llevinso :

heheh +2 for #2!!

[0+] Author Profile Page cordi said:

C'mon now ladies... those bushes won't trim themselves!! Or will they? Because according to this commercial bushes can magically suck it in, so who really needs trimmers?

Something else for my mom to "helpfully" send in care packages to show that she disproves of my grad student-hippie ways.

[0+] Author Profile Page woolf's orland replied to cordi :

hahaha! someone else's mom does that?! my mother has been sending me razors in each care package since i stopped shaving my pits and legs five years ago. gotta love her :)

[0+] Author Profile Page naters said:

I don't think Courtney is in any way saying that its not ok to use something like this, or to do whatever you want with your pubic hair. She is simply pointing out that while some of us may choose to landscape, as it were, many women feel they HAVE to do this to be seen as feminine and clean and desirable.

You won't see many commercials out there for some sort of shine serum to spruce up and fluff a full head of pubic hair. I mean not the best example, but hopefully you get what I am trying to say. Women shouldn't feel shamed into this.

Haha! I'm totally looking out for that big and fluffy bush shine serum.

I am near certain that I saw something like that in Ricky's the other day. I am not even kidding.

I totally get what you're saying naters (and I don't know if your post was half a response to mine or not but I wasn't saying that Courtney was attacking those of us that choose to wax or shave). But I do know there is a debate between some feminists about the whole "to shave or not to shave" ordeal. And lots of people don't get that some women don't do it for men, they do it for themselves as well.

I do however have one friend that totally just gets waxed because she's embarrassed about what she looks like down there all hairy in front of guys. She refused to sleep with this new guy that she really liked until she was able to go get waxed because she didn't want him to think she was a "hairy weirdo." I didn't even really know what that comment meant to be honest. She seemed to be afraid that if he saw her au natural that he'd point, laugh and refuse to have sex with her.

[0+] Author Profile Page naters replied to llevinso :

I wasn't enitrely responding to your comment, and definitely not criticizing your choices. I understand there is a difference between personal choice and that story about your friend. It's that sort of thing that makes me just cringe, that a woman should ever feel unworthy of intimacy until she has "fixed" parts of herself. I mean can you picture a dude doing that?

[0+] Author Profile Page Pencils replied to naters :

I can totally picture guys doing that--they do it all the time in certain circles. The same sort of guys who won't date "fat chicks" or anyone over 30. The sort of guy I would never date myself. (If I weren't happily married to an amazing man.)

[0+] Author Profile Page deerly replied to naters :

Yes I do know guys that do this.

Come on, sex is WAY more fun if you feel good about yourself, especially with a new partner that you want to be able to relax with as much as possible, have a good time and make a good impression (sex is about two people interacting, afterall)

Lots of men landscape and would feel uncomfortable having sex with someone new without doing it. Let's not paint all men with the sex-crazed no-feelings brush!

I think it's sad if your friend doesn't WANT to shave/wax or doesn't like the way it looks/feels and feels pressured into it but I can understand wanting to wait until I felt comfortable and sexy. IE I wouldn't want to have sex for the first time after eating a ton of mexican food or not showering XD

[0+] Author Profile Page sarah21 replied to llevinso :

That actually happened to my friend! She was about to have sex with a guy and he stopped once she was ahem revealed. We found out later through a mutual guy friend that the douchebag, I mean young man, stopped because she was hairy! Now she keeps herself completely waxed. What a jerk. It sucks she feels so self conscious about it now. But I have to say that makes me kinda nervous about going natural.

[0+] Author Profile Page m.confabulation replied to naters :

I condition my bush. I think there could be a market in that.

[0+] Author Profile Page Ali said:

I kept waiting to see this show up on Feministing!


I am 63. For most of my adult life, I knew no women who "spruced up" Childbirth activists fought hard to eliminate routine public hair shaving before childbirth. Everyone agreed it was degrading, unnecessary, uncomfortable.

What has changed? People have speculated that porn has played a significant role in this new women's grooming expectation.

[0+] Author Profile Page PamelaVee replied to Redstocking Grandma :

I heard about that shaving for childbirth thing at work. I had never heard of it before (I'm 24). One of my co workers who is early 40's said that they did it to her w/o asking.

What is the actual PURPOSE of it? It doesn't make any sense!

And sidenote- that Jersey ban on waxes is insane. The fact that it's even up for proposal is a waste of time and money. How ridiculous.

I'm at work so I can't hear the video but what did it say about the actual reason for the purposed ban on bikini waxing? It just seems ridiculous to me.

[0+] Author Profile Page Roving Thundercloud replied to PamelaVee :

The supposed purpose, as I understand, was to keep everything "cleaner" down there, and easier to see when stitching up afterward.

This was a time when they told you zip about what was actually happening--shave and and enema were blithely routine, as was episiotomy, and if your husband was lucky (wink wink) maybe a few extra stitches afterward to compensate for how "loose" you'd feel to him afterward. Ugh!

[0+] Author Profile Page Pencils replied to PamelaVee :

They shaved me a bit at the top of my public hair for my C-section, but that was so they could see what they were doing--and it's SOP to remove hair before surgery. I assume they used to shave women so they could see what was going on better, and in case they later had to sew the woman up because of an episiotomy or tear.

[0+] Author Profile Page Ruchama replied to Redstocking Grandma :

I would guess that bathing suit styles might have something to do with it. You've got to get rid of a lot more hair to wear current styles than styles from the sixties, which tended to have the legs cut much lower.

A trimmer does sound useful since I have no interest in shaving down there but trimming, yes, sometimes. I wonder how it works. I've shaved the bikini line area and it grows back really quickly so I can't imagine keeping that up. I really wonder how the idea of needing to shave down there started. I don't notice the hair during sex but I guess that's what I'm used to.

When I hit puberty, my mother tersely handed me a razor and instructed me to shave my armpits and "down-there" (her word) monthly. This is why: http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=90908&Option=FatwaId

Keep in mind that at age 11, I had never shaved anything, and I was somehow expected to know how to shave my pubic area. It was painful and traumatic, but I kept it up because Allah wanted me to. One of the first things I did when I lost my faith was to stop shaving my pubic hair, which was so liberating: no irritation, no itchy re-growth, no clogged razors. I elected to occasionally trim instead (which is why this new razor is pretty appealing to me). There's a monologue in the Vagina Monologues about a woman who resists shaving, and I relate to her a lot. In the end, though, it really ought to boil down to personal choice, which is what some women lack, I'm afraid. So many women I talk to think their vulvas are disgusting and their hair-removal obsession is just an extension of that, or have partners who implicitly mandate that they "keep it clean."

[0+] Author Profile Page MissKittyFantastico said:

Is New Jersey trying to ban bikini waxing as a business? Because I don't see any way they could keep people from doing their own bikini waxing at home. It does seem like a silly thing to ban. People should be able to make their own decisions. If they're worried about safety, they could make some sort of review board that makes sure the businesses are doing it safely.

I actually thought the product in the ad looks useful. I'm not offended by the bush thing-- I thought it was a clever way to get at what the product is for without actually showing any pubic hair.

I actually would like to know how to shave properly down there, just to try it. I might not keep it up but I'm curious to see what it feels like. Unfortunately, I seem to be a failure at actually doing it. When I was younger I tried some of those wax it yourself strips and gave up immediately because it hurt so much. I've tried shaving the edges before, but it feels raw and uncomfortable and it itches and stuff when growing back in. I don't know why, since it doesn't bother me to shave my legs or armpits. Perhaps I'm using the wrong kind of razor (I always buy the cheap disposable ones). At this point I do a little trimming with scissors and leave it at that, but I would like to be more confident shaving just around the edges for bikini season. I probably wouldn't shave the whole thing, but it makes me uncomfortable in a bathing suit if I'm worried about it slipping a tiny bit at the edge and showing hair. I've always wondered about women who say they like shaving there-- doesn't it hurt? Do you shave EVERYWHERE? Because some of that skin is way more sensitive than other skin.

I agree that its bad in general that women feel pressured to shave down there. When I was first in college I kept wondering whether I was supposed to be doing that and whether the first guy who saw me naked would be repulsed that I didn't. But I had some close guy friends that I asked about it and they told me not to worry, that any guy I was dating would know I was inexperienced and wouldn't expect me to be doing anything like shaving or waxing. They also told me guys have totally different preferences, or no preferences, and so there's no point worrying about it.

[0+] Author Profile Page Roving Thundercloud said:

Not sure I care what the guy's preference is, since it's her body (in a hetero relationship) but doesn't a guy they risk roughing up his precious bits on stubble if his partner doesn't spend half her life maintaining a smooth shave? I'd take natural any day.

Think of all the man-hours (pardon the phrase) wasted on shaving in this nation, in one year alone. We could have cured cancer fifty times over by now.

[0+] Author Profile Page MissKittyFantastico replied to Roving Thundercloud :

It takes me about 1 minute total to shave my legs and armpits in the shower. But I think guys do generally spend more time shaving their faces.

[0+] Author Profile Page NellieBlyArmy replied to MissKittyFantastico :

Wait, really? Wow. It takes me a good 15-20 minutes, and I have to do it separately from showering because I'm borderline blind without my glasses, and when I've tried anyway, I cut myself badly or fall. That's actually why I've mostly given up on shaving. It takes way too effing long (that and razor blades are really expensive. I usually manage to cut myself even with my glasses on).

[0+] Author Profile Page bluemoose3277 said:

Of all the ads posted here, this one struck me as the least offensive. At least they're acknowledging that women actually HAVE pubic hair, as opposed to the totally hairless expectation that I feel is more prevalent, at least in my (~20 year old) age group. They're encouraging experimenting with different styles of pubic hair (though I don't know how I'd make my pubic hair into a circle) rather than just assuming it's dirty and gross and getting rid of it all together. And this product does seem pretty useful (though probably way overpriced). I did actually find the bush visual kind of funny, reminiscent of that (Australian I think?) ad with a cute Beaver hanging around with a woman going to the beach, getting a manicure, etc.

Of course, it's all part of the beauty myth/patriarchal standards, so I guess the level of "well, it could be much worse!" is sort of irrelevant.

[0+] Author Profile Page BlueRing said:

Oh but it's so much more than porn...recall the anecdotal tale of one Victorian writer, John Ruskin, whose sum total of exposure to the nude female was classic statuary, and when was the last time you saw Venus sporting a bush? The anecdote claims Ruskin ran screaming from his bridal chamber horrified by his wifes pubes.

And to think, people had been shelling out for merkins all those years.

Actually I was wondering when this would show up on Feministing. I was checking out at the grocery store and saw the display of the *exact same* razor trimmer combo I already owned, as I purchased the dude version in black, in pretty pretty aqua and thought "Oh so, what? You couldn't by a black one? It's got to be aqua? Man they just took one product, changed the color and then for some reason, will be getting more money."

I myself am a fan of the clippy thing, only because thanks to my south eastern European heritage I am the recipient of a hearty, voluminous thigh engulfing bush, but I sort of like wearing shorts, and I'd rather people not stare, so I just get rid of the problem. But I'm damned if I do damned if I don't, shaving's a nightmare, waxing becomes an extended nightmare.

I remember a particularly awkward Religious Summer Camp Moment where a formerly homeschooled girl was ready to rock out in the lake for swimming, but lo and behold there was pubic hair peeking out of the bikini line of her very modest swimsuit, and the female counselors swept her away for a lecture on "female modesty" lest she tempt the lads with her stray pubes. She had a very hard time looking anyone in the eye at camp after that, which was really awful.

[0+] Author Profile Page Teresa said:

Equating the female body with wild, uncontrollable "nature," anyone?

[0+] Author Profile Page deerly replied to Teresa :

I didn't get that at all. The bushes were cute and quite well managed and potted plants in very urban areas.

I really liked this commercial actually, mostly for the reason that none of these women were shown to be landscaping for the same of MEN!

[0+] Author Profile Page naters said:

Regarding why this is a trend to begin with, I have read about two theories from my various women's studies texts over the years. One is the idea that it makes women appear younger, more like a girl than a full-grown woman, in the same way a high-pitched voice, skinny body and meek manner does, because thats what many men find sexually appealing. And following along with that, the other theory is that a full "head" of pubic hair as a sign of womanhood is threatening to men. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

I don't find this commercial objectionable at all. At the end they say "whatever your style." Many women (as shown in other comments here) like to be hairless down there. This is a product that they will find useful. It looks pretty nifty to me, since I trim but don't shave.

Additionally, I don't think the media really ever weighs in on this issue. When I was an insecure teenager worried about losing my virginity, I was very unsure about what to do with my hair. I knew to shave enough so it doesn't poke out of bikinis, but no magazine or anything would tell me whether my hair should stay or go. It was the derisive comments other girls (or boys) made toward female pubic hair that clued me in to what was the standard.

[0+] Author Profile Page deerly said:

I actually like this commercial!! The bush isn't something gross to be offended by, and the animation trimming them is kind of sexy and pretty!

It even throws in a "whatever your style" at the end!

Trimming the hair down there isn't ALWAYS about sex or men or aesthetic appearance but sometimes it is.

I really liked how this commercial said NOTHING of men and actually didn't show any women cuddling or being seductive to imply that you would be doing this for romance/partner. The women are happy, active and being friendly with eachother.

I think it's great and got the point across in a very clever way!

[0+] Author Profile Page NellieBlyArmy replied to deerly :

"Trimming the hair down there isn't ALWAYS about sex or men or aesthetic appearance"

Why else would you?

[0+] Author Profile Page clementine replied to NellieBlyArmy :

uh, the same reason a woman would make andy decision. because she wants to. because they are her decisions, not anyone else's. my hair down there gets kind of long and in the way sometimes. so i trim it. and i am satisfied. it's that simple

[0+] Author Profile Page NellieBlyArmy replied to clementine :

No, I meant, wouldn't she make that decision based on men, aethetics or sex? It's her choice and she's perfectly within her rights to make it, but I don't see what basis she could have except she and her partner prefer it, she prefers how it looks, or she likes how it feels sexually.

[0+] Author Profile Page SaltyLilKipper replied to NellieBlyArmy :

I personally started trimming my pubes because when I was younger it was was fine and thin and would get twisted and it really, really hurt.

[0+] Author Profile Page NellieBlyArmy replied to clementine :

No, no. I don't mean "women cannot make free choices." I wasn't judging women who shave.

The women on here who do shave have outlined why, but they can all be boiled down to aesthetics, sex, or men. And that's fine. I just meant that "I personally prefer how it looks" = aesthetics. "Sex feels better for me" = sex. "I consider it a basic part of grooming and wouldn't have sex with a new man without shaving, just like I'd shower first" = men. Those are all perfectly fine, valid reasons that I have no problems with. I just meant there are limited motivators for shaving your pubic hair, and the explanations I've seen here all fit into those categories.

[0+] Author Profile Page Adele replied to NellieBlyArmy :

First apologies if this is TMI, but you asked. My reason for shaving is comfort. Frankly, when you sit as much as I do for my job, the hair can make it irritating. In the summer, I sweat, and it leads to all kinds of uncomfortableness and such with hair and matting down there. It's far more comfortable to me, and leads to fewer yeast infections and less chafing for me as it's not as moist down there as it would be if the hair were there. I don't think that quite fits with men, aesthetics or sex.

[0+] Author Profile Page NellieBlyArmy replied to Adele :

Not TMI at all - I am reading a thread about shaving. :)

Good point - comfort hadn't occurred to me.

[0+] Author Profile Page Kurumi & Cheese said:

Round these parts, women don't shave. It's pretty normal to be natural and at most, keep the bikini line clean so bathing suits can be worn. That's about it. It's also a social pressure issue (public bathing and such are common, and conformity is key) but for some reason I find something better about conforming by NOT altering your body than conforming by wasting a lot of time shaving hair that actually serves a purpose.

Buuuuut while it's the norm, I've had to deal with a lot of guys from the US, UK, etc. whining about how women here are so HAIRRRRRRRY OH MY GODDDDD. Talking about how they can harass/convince their gfs into shaving. If there's one thing I can't stand it's men talking about how they can convince women to endure itchy, burny bits for their own pleasure.

I understand some women in the world do enjoy shaving/waxing. Fine. I don't get it, but fine. Just don't try to convince me that I need to do it, or that "everyone else does it" so I should too. I once was using one of those hair-melting creams (veet or whatever) and for legs it was fine. Armpits, fine. But I got a centimeter too high on my thigh and for the next week had to endure the painful, itchy rash of re-growth. You couldn't pay me to do that, especially not for a man.

I don't wish to offend anyone, because I normally LOVE the comments Feministiing makes about ads. But this one does not strike me as bad enough to warrant a blog post; it's not particularly sexist, any more than a Gilette men's razor advert anyway. I get the symbolism, but it doesn't offend me. I can't stand it when women feel they have to wax everything off, it's neo-paedophilic, but really, this IS only a bikini trimmer. And I think by focusing on such small things, it's possible to harm the cause of feminism, by making people think that we're petty. Normally, small issues are important to focus on, but this is not, in my opinion, offensive enough. Trimming is very regular in a way that shaving everything off, justifiably, is not.
Trimming the hair down there is, for me, just about being able to conform in a swimsuit, and I think the advertisement is fine. If you're going to attack this advert you may as well attack EVERY make-up commercial that essentially conforms to the desires of men.
And that's not a route I want to go down, as a feminist.

[0+] Author Profile Page Rosie replied to Megan M :

I completely agree with you.

And by the way... "Too many of us [are] often motivated--not by a sense of playfulness or joy--but obligation, shame, societal pressure" - ur, I AM obligated to keep my pubes trimmed. Just as my partner is obligated to keep his face shaved because it irritates my face when we kiss. HE is the one who puts his face in my pussy, so there is nothing wrong with him wanting it trimmed so he doesn't get rashy or a mouth full of soggy hair. I do not think there is anything at all unfeminist about this motivation. Sure, if a woman's partner tells her it looks gross, or harasses her about being 'unfeminine', then it is right and good and feminist to challenge this. But when it comes to the idea that a person in a relationship owes their partner certain things, commenters on Feministing start to get really defensive and angry, and to forget that sometimes you have to make compromises to be a good partner, regardless of whether you are a man or a woman.

[0+] Author Profile Page sophs replied to Megan M :

I completely agree with Megan M. I saw this advertisement as per someones posting on another site and I was a bit baffled by the "sexism" in it which was followed by the feeling of being a bit miffed. It's a personal choice first off. Secondly, I do not find the term "bush" offensive. Third, both men and women can trim and even though this product is targeted towards women, it's an advertisement! Oh, what's that?? If you don't want to buy it don't! Some people will want to buy it and use it. And as far a society goes... I absolutely adore people that blame society they are so adorable.

[0+] Author Profile Page StartMakingSense replied to Megan M :

You should check out the latest post about this product. Another ad was posted today that might change your mind.

[0+] Author Profile Page CynicalDilettante said:

Did anyone read the article accompanying the New Jersey piece?

Arguments from women interviewed include:
"Why would anybody dictate to you what you can and cannot do? This is something personal,"

"It's a woman's body. If she wants to get it completely waxed then that's up to her, it's her choice to do that, so I don't know why it would be illegal,"

It sounds like they're talking about something much more monumental--like abortion--rather than waxing.

I think the ban does have more to do with health and safety concerns, but I'm inclined to think they should just place restrictions rather than a ban. I know a lot of waxing places also have problems with setting age limits and enforcing them for minors, for maybe this is a response to that as well...

[0+] Author Profile Page Flanstraw said:

Well said Megan. How unfortunate that once again women pick the wrong thing to get pissed off about. Men do shave for women, they hit the gym, buy, buy, buy and jump through many hoops just to get the attention of women. They are not even sure how to shake a woman's hand properly because she may get offended. Or heaven forbid they try to be polite and open a door for a feminazi bitch! Why is it ok for a women not to be attracted to a fat hairy guy and if a guy does not want to be with a fat hairy girl, he is a "shallow Hal". It's not a big secret that women have more mental ability than men (their minds are not constantly consumed with procreating. Too bad most women are busy "Feeling" instead of thinking. I'm sorry this does not "feel" right to some of you. Guys are simple... Good hygiene is important to keep a clean professional man. Get off the cross already find a worthy cause to get your big burlap panties in a wad about. There are plenty!

[0+] Author Profile Page SaltyLilKipper replied to Flanstraw :

Maybe you wouldn't have such a hard time getting attention from women if you weren't so focused on wooing them with your big muscles and wad of cash. Some semblance of a personality would be nice. Also, thinly veiled hostility toward our gender is kind of a turn-off/scary.

[0+] Author Profile Page misakyra said:

Personally, I didn't find the ad all that offensive. The next ad that comes up in the related videos, however, is a different story. It depicts a woman being so distracted by a man that she ends up falling off a treadmill and injuring herself. Not funny and blatantly sexist.

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