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Open thread: The end of the L word

Last night was the series finale of the L Word. The show has lasted six seasons, and in my opinion, it was about three seasons too long. I love having representations of queer women on prime time TV but I have some serious issues with the way the show was handled the last few seasons. And the series finale? Frustrating. I'm ready for something new.

So Feministing L Word watchers--what did you think about the series finale and the show overall?

Posted by Miriam - March 09, 2009, at 10:02AM | in Television

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[0+] Author Profile Page Toni said:

Overall I enjoyed it. I really liked how they brought back characters we haven't seen for awhile through the Bette & Tina tribute video.

But what really bothers me is that they didn't tell us who killed Jenny.

[0+] Author Profile Page Mollie replied to Toni :

Ohhh I didn't watch the finale, but now I don't even care... They didn't say? Ugh.

[0+] Author Profile Page hoolissa said:

i'm definitely sad it's over. I think the last season was disastrous: bad story line, nonexistent soundtrack, awkward shots, etc. But personally i think the sex makes up for everything that could possibly be wrong with it...

favorite all time quote: “Oh fuck off, Mark. It is not my job to make you a better man and I don’t give a shit if I’ve made you a better man. It’s not a fucking woman’s job to be consumed and invaded and spat out so that some fucking man can evolve!” - Jenny Schecter

ps: mia kirshner is an amazing actress.

[0+] Author Profile Page zp27 said:

I think the show just turned sort of...goofy, but I'm glad it's around. For all of its faults, the L Word showed a range (kind of) of sexual behavior and queerness, and I see it as kind of a normalizing thing. We need more shows and more media about sexuality that's frank, open and queer, so the masses can get the hell over it.

[0+] Author Profile Page samantha said:

Hoolissa, that piece of dialogue is one of my favourites too. I didn't really like Jenny's character most of the time but I did enjoy that she got to say those words, to stand up and speak for herself in the face of the patriarchy.

I'm upset that we only got eight episodes to wrap up six seasons. That they crammed a bunch of stuff in but didn't really say anything at all. That no-one really ended up happy - I mean, Tina and Bette were left together, although we have no idea what became of the video Jenny took - and nothing was resolved... I mean, I don't necessarily demand a nice, trite ending where everyone is hanging around holding hands and singing "Kumbaya", but it would be good to have a few storylines tied up.

What I did like about this season is that Bette and Tina's relationship had reached this mature place where they were truly partners and played off each other really well, like they worked through all of their drama and finally could be comfortable and loving and trust each other. Would have been nice to have that for a lot longer than we did!

I watched it last night with some friends and followed the liveblog on afterellen.com and got pleasantly toasted* while picking random things to drink about ("Molly! Molly! Drink!" ..."Alice is ridiculously cute as always! Drink!"), so I'll have to rewatch, but the feeling I get that the whole ending (like most of S6) was a mess can't have been too far wrong.

*beverage of choice was Dos Equis, naturally

[0+] Author Profile Page Riley said:

I think the L-word has been really detrimental to my community (I id as Lesbian and as an Agenlino and match much of the class and race privileges we saw on the show). I feel like it really romanticized toxicity in our friendships. It made betrayal an dishonesty and exclusion and gossip look hip and fun and it's just not. It's painful and lasting and tears apart communities of friends. If I walked in on my best friend having sex with my girlfriend, there wouldn't be a huge fight scene in the middle of a club, none of our other friends would have cute things to say about it over pancakes at brunch, it certainly wouldn't end with me and said friend making out. I would collect my shit and get out of her life. No drama, just an intense amount of sadness. And i feel like this sort of story line constantly repeated itself in different ways with different pairings and I think it sort of gave the women I know, in my community, permission to be dreadful. I know its not fair to attribute peoples behavior to a tv show but I think this really brought out the worst in a lot of people. And it ending with what I thought implied that they all killed Jenny, that they were all in it together--it was like this insanely heightened version of what I'm talking about. Now it's not just cool to belittle and betray and isolate now it's cool to actually kill someone.

I'll miss the show for it's entrainment value but I think it'll be good for my community for it to go away.

[0+] Author Profile Page pepper said:

Season 6 left most loyal fans saying WTF Ilene. The Max story was handled horribly. His life was interesting and worthy of more than they gave it. It felt like a freakshow instead of an eyeopener.

[0+] Author Profile Page anteup replied to pepper :

I only started watching it again* because of Daniela Sea. I was really disappointed as well.

*As I stated below, I stopped watching it during the second season.

[0+] Author Profile Page Riley said:

I think the L-word has been really detrimental to my community (I id as Lesbian and as an Agenlino and match much of the class and race privileges we saw on the show). I feel like it really romanticized toxicity in our friendships. It made betrayal an dishonesty and exclusion and gossip look hip and fun and it's just not. It's painful and lasting and tears apart communities of friends. If I walked in on my best friend having sex with my girlfriend, there wouldn't be a huge fight scene in the middle of a club, none of our other friends would have cute things to say about it over pancakes at brunch, it certainly wouldn't end with me and said friend making out. I would collect my shit and get out of her life. No drama, just an intense amount of sadness. And i feel like this sort of story line constantly repeated itself in different ways with different pairings and I think it sort of gave the women I know, in my community, permission to be dreadful. I know its not fair to attribute peoples behavior to a tv show but I think this really brought out the worst in a lot of people. And it ending with what I thought implied that they all killed Jenny, that they were all in it together--it was like this insanely heightened version of what I'm talking about. Now it's not just cool to belittle and betray and isolate now it's cool to actually kill someone.

I'll miss the show for it's entrainment value but I think it'll be good for my community for it to go away.

I didn't really watch the show that much, but I can say based on your description that it doesn't sound like a realistic portrayal of most people's lives, but maybe that's because it's not supposed to be. I mean, you could just as easily find a ton of shows that portray heterosexual relationships in a similar, unrealistic, dramalicious way.

-Lilith

[0+] Author Profile Page AlexMc replied to Riley :

such a good point about the show 'romanticizing toxicity.' as a queer person who longs for representations of my community on tv, i found the L word so painful to watch.

[0+] Author Profile Page Kelley Jean replied to AlexMc :

Amen. My friend, Ryan, and I had this conversation recently in regards to the L-Word and Queer as Folk. While we both think that it is wonderful that Showtime is trying to create programming for and about our community, these shows are just too stereotypical and I do not like the novelty of it all. Plus, most lesbians don't look like the actresses they used. I mean where is the diversity? The one great thing about the queer community is the fact that we include every type of person no matter skin color, religion, ethnicity or socioeconomic class. I was just hoping for something more realistic when the show first came out years ago. To me it was kind of like a lesbian version of Beverly Hills 90210, but that's my opinion of course and ya know, most of my lesbian comrades loved the show so I'm kind of alone on this one.

[0+] Author Profile Page Toni replied to Kelley Jean :

"The one great thing about the queer community is the fact that we include every type of person no matter skin color, religion, ethnicity or socioeconomic class."

That's not really true. The community does exclude a lot of people. For example bisexuals and transpeople are excluded from the community.

[0+] Author Profile Page Mollie replied to Toni :

I think KJ might have meant that in reality, anyone can be queer regardless of race, socioeconomic class, etc. Though I do agree with you in that the queer MOVEMENT excludes loads of people.

Totally agreed. This was what I hated about the show from the start. They all looked alike and none of them looked like the dykes I know.

I'm not reading any of the comments before for worry of spoilers (no showtime=watching as I have time on youtube) but having seen about 5.5 seasons I will say this. The show has myriad problems. But it has done a bit of good for the queer community as well.

As an mtf transwoman I'm very disappointed with the way Max was handled and still wonder why I character (like me) who is mtf and lesbian IDd didn't dawn on them instead.

There are very stark race and class issues through out the show that made it hard sometimes to just get my entertainment and my girlsex and move on.

All that said, I think the show has probably done a bit for the visibility specifically for femme presenting lesbians (by excluding butch presentations on the show unfortunately). I could probably write a dissertation on the L Word and I'm sure it's already been done. But we'll leave it at that for now...

[0+] Author Profile Page snoopystok said:

I totally have to agree with Miriam's sentiment...the end was really frustrating and there were so many loose ends that it really showed just how impossible it is to wrap up five seasons of info/dramarama in only eight episodes.

However, I have to admit that while I'm not surprised that they did not close the book on who actually killed Jenny, I think what I took from the end was that Jenny ended up killing herself. Seems to me that her character was just so toxic throughout the course of the show that it all came back to haunt her in the end.

Plus all the crap that Jenny pulled this season turned out to deeply effect all of her friends in the end, and it seemed that she didn't care about what was right and wrong, she just wanted to make everyone ELSE come clean about what they have been up to (or what she thought they were up to).

Meanwhile, throughout the whole show, Jenny herself was hiding so many things from the people she "loved" that it ended up ruining her own sense of reality, and killed her in the end. Whenever anything began to take a turn for the worst, Jenny always said that she never meant to hurt anyone, but she always ended up causing major damage to the people she supposedly cared for.

Anyway, this is just my thoughts on what the ending turned out to be. Needless to say, I am sad that there will not be another episode because a lot was left up in the air that we will never know how it ended!

[0+] Author Profile Page nightingale said:

I only watched two seasons, but as a lesbian I felt regularly insulted and offended by the show. Yay, no more conversations about how awesome the penis is, or how horrible teh menz are.

[0+] Author Profile Page demolitionwoman said:

it's one of those shows that i loved to hate. the writing was terrible, the acting only slightly better...

i'm really pissed off that we didn't get to see Kit and her drag queen hook up. also, i'm pissed that they made him straight - can we get a fucking bisexual in the house, please? that would've been way more realistic.

also - note to producers and writers of The L Word - DON'T EVER WRITE ABOUT TRANS PEOPLE AGAIN! EVER!
from start to finish, they routinely fucked up Max's character. they're ignorant about trans folks and it shows. that was probably what pissed me off the most in the entire show. (not to mention all the fucked up race and class shit.)

and thank GAWD we won't ever have to listen to Betty again. they are so talentless, it's painful.

i'm not usually this much of a hater, but jeezus...

i did really like Alice in the last few episodes - she was hilarious.
and i will miss my weekly lesbo potluck viewing party. it was fun to be the peanut gallery.

[0+] Author Profile Page Gopher replied to demolitionwoman :

Wasnt the woman who played Alice also in a yogurt commercial a while back?

[0+] Author Profile Page demolitionwoman replied to Gopher :

yep - Leisha Hailey, one of the few actual queers on the show. She was involved with k.d. lang for several years. She was also in the dyke movie "All Over Me".

[0+] Author Profile Page Nina212 said:

Im glad its over. It was really insulting and very biphobic and transphobic. I stopped watching after the rape scene between Bette and Tina in the first season. That was too much for me. Then I tried watching again until the writers demonized bisexual and heterosexual relationships. Ugh it was just disgusting and insulting. I am sooo glad its over.

Maybe we can have a better and more inclusive show about women who love women in the near future

[0+] Author Profile Page Gopher replied to Nina212 :

I keep hearing about a rape scene, but where is it?

[0+] Author Profile Page anteup said:

I agree that it lasted too long. I only watched the first two seasons, then I dived straight in to the sixth season. It was like I never stopped watching it. What the heck were they even doing during those other seasons?! Nothing apparently.

[0+] Author Profile Page pepper said:

they were killing off the only truly likable character.

[0+] Author Profile Page zp27 replied to pepper :

Really? wow. You're the only person I know that likes Jenny. To each their own (although jer actress is beautiful, I admit.)

[0+] Author Profile Page pepper replied to zp27 :

no...

Dana was likable. Jenny was not.

[0+] Author Profile Page zp27 replied to pepper :

Oh, yeah, I agree. She was adorable.

[0+] Author Profile Page zp27 replied to pepper :

Oh, yeah, I agree. She was adorable.

[0+] Author Profile Page anteup replied to pepper :

Dana leaving was ultimately what made me stop watching it. Even if I got cranky over some scenes...I still liked Dana.

[0+] Author Profile Page Gopher replied to zp27 :

I loved Jenny!

[0+] Author Profile Page zp27 replied to Gopher :

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but: ew.

[0+] Author Profile Page Gopher replied to zp27 :

I also liked Bette, Shane, Helena and Jodi when she was Bette's girlfriend.

[0+] Author Profile Page zp27 replied to Gopher :

Hey, I'm just saying-by the end of the second season, Jenny developed into a toxic passive aggressive monster. Possibly realistic, and I have no problem with her actress, but I didn't like the way she was written.
Shane I love for no good reason, and Jennifer Beals...well...

[0+] Author Profile Page Kym said:

Honestly, I just can't believe the ridiculous ending scene...
I mean walking to be questioned about their friend's death and then they all break into smiles??? WTF
And the way they demonized Jenny so that no one would seem to care when she got killed... thats low.

And I agree with pepper, Max's character was not given justice. This last season just slaughtered the good work they had done with his character.

[0+] Author Profile Page Csunset said:

That's right. They killed the show right when they killed the character Dana off. What the heck was that?

I also am very insulted, as a bisexual, to see the same biphobia as I see in real life. The homosexual community doesn't have it as hard as the bi community. As we are not only discriminated by the straights, but also by the gays.

The ending of the show sucked! Good riddance by the way. It's just too bad how it was developed. I actually liked it in the beginning, assuming Alice would bring the bisexuality subject throughout the show, which ended up not happening.

I'm still in the hopes that a show will come along where all different types of sexual orientation will be portrayed as a normal thing ( which to me it is, and I think it should be so to everybody)As a matter of fact I'm in hopes that the world will be that way someday. I don't discriminate anybody based on who they like to sleep with, and would like to get the same from everybody else.

Cheers everyone! We need more love in this world.

Um, I'm not sure I agree with you that the bi community has it harder than they gay community. We face different stereotypes and some of us do get flak from the gay and lesbian community (I know I have), but we also get het privilege when we're paired with an "opposite" sex partner.

The ending sucked. A lot of the show sucked, in general, but that's most programming on TV these days.

However, The L Word was as good an excuse as any for my houseful of queer women and all our friends to get together every Sunday, yell at the screen, laugh, cry, and generally get pissed about the lack of sex happening in the show.

A ton of the content was poorly written, poorly acted, offensive, misrepresenting, prejudiced, etc, but we built our own community around it. And -that- I will miss.

Give shane her own show.

Yeah! Pengo's right.

I really enjoyed the first season, and appreciated Mark in the second season if for no other reason than being tickled that the writers had basically written their pervy dude audience(guilty) into the show. The first season had great direction and trippy ambient music. Jenny took mushrooms and liked boys. dana and alice hadn't figured each other out. bette and tina broke up, which was waaay better for the show than they realized.
The second season... holy shit, that's like the worst theme song in television history. this is the way it's the way that we live it's the way that we live and love?

I only caught bits and pieces of subsequent seasons, and the s6 opener.

at least jenny's dead?

[0+] Author Profile Page inallsincerity said:

I do not have words for how extremely badly Max's character was written. The ftm community (including myself) is beyond pissed about it.

Ah, the invisible T in LGBT. The only gay bar in my town chose to use same-sex pairings of bathroom symbols as the motif to paint all over the walls in different sizes. They could not have chosen a more trans-unfriendly-design if they tried (sucks for the bisexuals too). For people who don't know much about the transcommunity-- the bathroom symbol is one of the most anxiety inducing symbols in our lives to the point where many transpeople develop bladder infections from routinely refusing to use a public restroom out of fear.

For anyone who wants to be a trans ally but isn't sure how, here's a great resource: http://web.mit.edu/trans/alliestoolkit.html

that show portrayed intimate partner violence in the most fucked up way. because, you know, its impossible for girls to rape each other (no penis means no rape?) and its impossible for queer people to be abusive (they are just being their dramatic gay selves!)

i didnt watch the show a whole lot but so many of the episodes i saw were filled with FUCKED up relationship dynamics that were just written off as casual and normal.

I don't think I understood how truly toxic shows like L Word are until someone told me that having someone like Rachel Maddow - a highly visible lesbian in a non-niche mainstream media position - shouldn't matter because if I want lesbians on television I could just "go watch The L Word". It's always been a guilty pleasure for me, and I've always been aware of how troublesome the stereotyping and glorification of some really sketchy attitudes is...but the thought people are using it to justify excluding lesbians everywhere else makes me very glad it's over.

[0+] Author Profile Page likeyoumost said:

I'm not going to lie, the first time I saw the L Word I was really stoked about there being semi-realistic representations of queer women on television. However, as the seasons progressed I found its representations of the queer community to be unrealistic: little to no characters of people of color, its characterization of relationships within the queer community as snarky and over dramatic, the way it still buys in to horrible body image issues by giving us nothing but skinny women, and even the extent of "queerness" it's supposed to represent. The women who were supposed to be "butch" were still remarkably femme, and I'm pretty sure the trans community isn't happy with how they wrote Max's character. I guess what I have a problem with is mainstream culture taking "queerness" only to commodify it and market it back to me.

[0+] Author Profile Page LalaReina said:

Two shows I have never seen an episode of : The L Word and the Sopranos.

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