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Anti-bulimia ad placed on underside of toilet lids

An anti-bulimia ad from Pro Mädchen in Düsseldorf, Germany has been placed in an...interesting location.

...through their WPP ad agency red cell, placed these splatter stickers (headline translates: Bulimia is curable) on the undersides of toilet lids in women's bathrooms at area colleges.

Now, I see what they're going for and part of me thinks its innovative. But another part of me finds it kind of offensive - a splatter ad? And let's not even talk about the fact that it's pink. But perhaps it's an effective way to reach young women.

What do you think?

Posted by Jessica - January 07, 2009, at 10:38AM | in Body Image , Health , International

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[0+] Author Profile Page socbaker said:

I think it's great. It addresses a "women's problem" as a serious public health concern. It uses a non-shaming message and offers help and hope, not threats (eg bulimia will kill you). The placement of the stickers is innovative and probably effective-- women will see them when they cannot deny that they they are engaged in the disease. Perhaps not being a pink splatter would be nice--what would you suggest instead? Ultimately, I think having this campaign is the most important thing, and I wish they would do something similar in the US. Protecting women's health is more important than a color scheme.

Only most public bathrooms in the U.S. lack toilet lids.

[0+] Author Profile Page Jamie R said:

its a good try...i think they could think of a better way to present this add (it not being a splatter and maybe not such a stereotypical female color), but I think it is a very good idea for an add campaign.
Lets bring it to America!

[0+] Author Profile Page marj said:

I thought the exact same thing. The idea is good and I like it (although I`d like to see a deeper phrase. that`s still better than nothing, though).

But the splatter screams "bad taste" and "insensitive"!! There's a million ways to do that, without the splatter. And without the pink too, although I think that's not the biggest problem here.

[0+] Author Profile Page marj replied to marj :

About pink: I had to share this with you guys.

I asked my bank to send me a credit card and they sent me... A PINK one. Washed out pink, like "Barbie goes shopping". It looks ridiculous!

They didn't tell me they had a version for women. They didn't tell me I could choose the color of my card. They just say "oh it's a girl's name, so let's send a baby pink card". Shame on you, ABM-Amro!

If I were a salesperson, I wouldn't take me seriously with a card that looks like something a child would play with. It looks like I'm some preppy girl and my father gave it to me, not like a card of a professional person who is old enough to earn her own money.

[0+] Author Profile Page Kate said:

I like it. I enjoy how straightforward it is. From my own experience, people with eating disorders don't hide the truth from themselves--there's no need to tiptoe. I used to have very dark humor about my ED and I think this would have appealed to me. I like the splatter concept.

But yes, just because we're girls doesn't mean we spew pink. Jeez.

just because we're girls doesn't mean we spew pink.

What color is your puke? I'm not kidding; I figured most people's vomit is something pink/orange. Isn't it usually when you see it on subways or sidewalks outside bars?

Personally, I think the shade of pink used - especially with the blobs of red - is sufficiently bright to seem more arresting than girly. Bright green also probably would have worked; yellow would have resembled urine; orange might have been too puke-like; and blue might have made the black text harder to read.

[0+] Author Profile Page jln04a replied to everybodyever :

Well, Generally with bulimia it is rarely pink. Normally, it just looks like the food you just ate. Trust me, it is a vary different sort of vomit.

[0+] Author Profile Page doubleb said:

I am skeptical about this the same way I'm skeptical about the cartoons I see telling me not to smoke weed. Does this really seem like an effective way to combat this problem?

I think it's an important problem. I just think that any money they spend doing this would have been better spent in some other way. I'm not sure what other way, but my intuition just tells me that this won't be effective. Of course, I admit I have almost no ability to think like a young woman who is bulimic, so if the intuition of more informed people is that this type of program will be effective then I approve wholeheartedly. What are other people's intuitions on the effectiveness of something like this?

[0+] Author Profile Page doubleb replied to doubleb :

I guess Kate's response rather preemptively nullified my intuition.

I agree. I don't think a single bulimic person would see this and think "Hmm, maybe I do have a disease. Maybe it CAN be cured!" Part of the condition is thinking that you are in control and thus, not sick. Why would someone who thinks they aren't sick seek treatment to be cured? It doesn't make sense.

However, ED are reeeaaally hard to combat. The people suffering won't do anything about it themselves. You can't accuse people without being 100% sure- which is really hard. I admit that I can't think of a better way, but that doesn't make this way good by default.

[0+] Author Profile Page sly replied to Danyell :

I actually think placing the ad where they do--and with the hot pink color--is as much a wake up call to bulimics as any message possibly could be. Gets a big A+ from me.

[0+] Author Profile Page sapientia paucis replied to Danyell :

I find the implicit message (which I'm reading as "there is life after an eating disorder" in addition to "there is help") much more effective than scare ads, and I don't have a problem with the colour or the shape, since the pink makes it stand out and the asymmetry is eye-catching. But I don't know how effective this will be. When I was actively eating disordered, I knew that I had a problem and that I should have sought treatment, but I didn't care; I don't know that a sticker inside the occasional toilet lid will make a difference for anyone with a similar attitude.

Maybe, though, it's as much a message to the relatives of bulimics, sort of a "don't give up hope."

I disagree. People with bulimia do know that they have no control. That's why they purge. They engage in out-of-control binges, feel guilty about it, and purge. Eating disorders aren't like drug addictions where users think that they can stop at any time. I also think that the location of the ads might make them more effective. If I saw "Bulimia is curable" on the subway platform, I don't think anyone with bulimia would pay attention, because it's just not in a spot where they're thinking about purging. But catching a person with bulimia in the moment that they're about to purge (or just get finished purging) might hit closer to home. People with bulimia are probably feeling at their lowest point after a binge and just before purging. Why else would they do it?

I don't really know if a poster will be able to do what doctors, friends, family and self-awareness can't.

That's all.

[0+] Author Profile Page mta said:

pink splatter? i'd rather a million esophogi disintegrate in the name of beauty than have one person be offended by the color pink!

[0+] Author Profile Page jamesneysmith said:

Well I like the innovative spirit employed here in the hopes of helping young women. But, I somehow doubt it will be any more effective that the blackened lungs we see on cigarette packages or the latest marijauna-awareness ads. I almost feel as though we, the public, have been so utterly deluged by advertising that we have been conditioned to sort of ignore it or it is seen as merely background noise, even in cases when it is meant to help us. I hope I am wrong in this particular instance, and indeed the ads may help some people, but I doubt it will have any sort of wide-ranging effect.

[0+] Author Profile Page wavesandmoon said:

I think it's actually a pretty good idea. As for the choice of the colour pink, think of it this way: in terms of eye-catching colours, which ones are best going to work on the underside of a toilet lid? Orange and green might too closely resemble actual vomit for some people's taste; I've frequently seen splatters of blue cleaner on poorly cleaned public toilets; and red and yellow... well, I don't think I need to tell you the problem with red and yellow! You're pretty much left with pink and purple, right?

Having battled an eating disorder for a number of years, to me, if I had seen that when I was sick, I would definitely have been more annoyed and offended.

The color is horrible. The fact that it's splatter is horrible. While the message isn't as bad as some, I don't find it helpful at all.

But that's just me. I can't speak for everyone. But I wonder if there were any focus groups about this.

[0+] Author Profile Page kece80 said:

It's hard to imagine what will or will not be helpful for women who are fighting bulimia because all of those people who will encounter these ads will be at a different point in their struggle.

I think the one thing that could possibly have an impact is that it is located in the 'secret' place. The place where you hide. And having this in that space is kind of making you acknowledge the reality and also proving that you are not the only one struggling with this. If it is a big enough deal to put an ad in that space....then it is more common than you might believe.

the colour isn't great, but it could be worse...

[0+] Author Profile Page kece80 said:

It's hard to imagine what will or will not be helpful for women who are fighting bulimia because all of those people who will encounter these ads will be at a different point in their struggle.

I think the one thing that could possibly have an impact is that it is located in the 'secret' place. The place where you hide. And having this in that space is kind of making you acknowledge the reality and also proving that you are not the only one struggling with this. If it is a big enough deal to put an ad in that space....then it is more common than you might believe.

the colour isn't great, but it could be worse...

[0+] Author Profile Page el zorro said:

i don't imagine they'll be very effective when the news stand down the street still has women with size 0 bodies plastered all over it. things like this are just treating the symptoms no matter how creative they are.

[0+] Author Profile Page Eliza Murray said:

I had to think about this for a little but I like the idea. It Red flags usually start raising in my head whenever I see anything that is bright pink and targeted toward women. However, the color makes sense. If your bulimic chances are at one point your going to throw up blood and its going to pink. Seeing blood can be a jarring experiance (and at least for me a wake up call that I was seriously hurting myself) and I think the sighn is trying to recreate that. Pink is an important and relevant color because it is a obvious sighn something is wrong. Sure blood isn't bright pink but the color in the sighn draws attention to itself and makes sure the message can't be missed. I think targeting purging directly where it happens makes it seem less shamefull as opposed to skirting around the issue and addressing it other places while tiptoeing around what it actually is. I think its different then smoking adds because one doesn't necisarly feel the ill effects of smoking right away. You might get lung cancer in your future. At the moment maybe you can't run as far as you used to. It doesn't change your daily life for a long time. Eating disorders can consume people when they have it and relativly quickly. Even if it pushes just one person a little more toward seeking help, I think it's worth it.

[0+] Author Profile Page that girl replied to Eliza Murray :

Thank you! I feel the same way about the splatter. It's attention-catching and it names the issue for what it is. I think it's a brilliant way to reach out to women in a safe, anonymous, supportive way. If someone sees this while they are purging, I think the message will be very powerful. One of the main problems with eating disorder outreach is that people with EDs often cannot admit that they need help. I certainly couldn't. But it's harder to deny that something's wrong while you're throwing up or feeling the results of ODing on laxatives. I hope they bring this across the ocean.

I do think this is a noble effort. The only thing I worry about is that this is actually an attractive advertisement. Yes, in the context of being on a toilet bowl, it is made to represent vomit. But, out of context, it would actually be quite pretty.

We don't need bulimia or anorexia to be glamorized any more than it already is. This ad just doesn't really do what it needs to.

Again, though, it was a great effort. It just might do well for the ad to not be so "pretty" and "eye-catching."

[0+] Author Profile Page Lelah said:

It's too cutesy poo. They should have made it look like real vomit.

[0+] Author Profile Page drfantastic said:

I think anything that might cause someone with an ED to pause momentarily and consider getting help is good.

I agree that the pink is stereotypical, but other colors (like green or brown) associated with puke might be seen as shaming, like pointing out the grossness of throwing up, instead of emphasizing that help is available. Yellow isn't a good color for signs, and red would be in the same category as brown and green. So blue? Purple might be good...

[0+] Author Profile Page Bekka said:

I'm also annoyed by the design, but I know from personal experience, bulimia can be almost like a blackout, it's really easy to go into denial and have purging become completely automatic. Those moments when you're in that trance and about to purge are some of the most vulnerable in life. This would shake me, would force me to acknowledge the act of purging, would force me to identify, despite my denial, AS a person with a disease. And that's really powerful. It would be one thing if this was EVERYWHERE, I think its power could quickly be dulled by exposure, but as something to jog bulimics out of denial, it looks like it would be extremely effective.

[0+] Author Profile Page kimkim11 said:

I don't like this. The reason why I think this is a bad idea is simply because efforts should be made to enhance body image. Women become bulimic due to unattainable beauty standards and our society's obsession with thinness. Telling someone not to throw up doesn't solve the actual problem. I think ads that feature messages such as, "you are beautiful", "you are amazing" etc. are more effective, along with general ads that feature women that aren't excessively thin. These are more likely to bolster self-esteem and improve body image.

Women become bulimic for a lot more reasons than that.

[0+] Author Profile Page socbaker replied to kimkim11 :

I liked this ad because it did NOT say "don't throw up." It offered treatment for women who were ALREADY throwing up. How can one public health campaign confront the entire advertising industry? Sometimes you have to work with what you have, flawed though it may be. The rest of us can work on changing the media!

[0+] Author Profile Page kimkim11 said:

I don't like this. The reason why I think this is a bad idea is simply because efforts should be made to enhance body image. Women become bulimic due to unattainable beauty standards and our society's obsession with thinness. Telling someone not to throw up doesn't solve the actual problem. I think ads that feature messages such as, "you are beautiful", "you are amazing" etc. are more effective, along with general ads that feature women that aren't excessively thin. These are more likely to bolster self-esteem and improve body image.

I don't love the design, but it doesn't bother me either. What I think is less than effective is the phrase itself. "Bulimia is curable." A lot of women with eating disorders consider it a "choice". (Not to say it is, just looking at it from their point of view). They're likely to think they don't need to be cured, they're doing this on purpose because they need to be thin/have control/whatever reason.

I agree with socbaker, who was glad it wasn't a shaming message "bulimia will kill you" but I think maybe something between the two would be best. Like "bulimia can cause _______". They need a reason to seek a cure, not be told that there is one. Does that make sense?

-Lilith of the ESC

[0+] Author Profile Page pan replied to EvilSlutClique :

I think that most bulimics know what can happen to them, but are so in denial, or think that they aren't sick enough (probably because they don't think they are thin enough). From my experience, that was the case. It was a weird invincibility thing.

In this case, it could be that hearing that bulimia is curable is what is shocking. Actually, it is a little bit shocking to me. I think that I will have to deal with bulimia in one way or another forever. Hearing there is a cure might lead to people seeking out help.

I do think it is nonjudgmental. It says, seek out help if you think you want and need it.

I generally don't like media portrayals of bulimia, but this one isn't so bad for me.

[0+] Author Profile Page pan replied to EvilSlutClique :

I think that most bulimics know what can happen to them, but are so in denial, or think that they aren't sick enough (probably because they don't think they are thin enough). From my experience, that was the case. It was a weird invincibility thing.

In this case, it could be that hearing that bulimia is curable is what is shocking. Actually, it is a little bit shocking to me. I think that I will have to deal with bulimia in one way or another forever. Hearing there is a cure might lead to people seeking out help.

I do think it is nonjudgmental. It says, seek out help if you think you want and need it.

I generally don't like media portrayals of bulimia, but this one isn't so bad for me.

[0+] Author Profile Page leah said:

Yes, I found the splatter to be.....weird.

As for pink, I get your point, but then I tried to come up with other colors that would a) stand out against the white background (yellow and pastels are out) b) isn't so dark that it obscures text (blue, brown, black, purple and green are out) and c) doesn't remind anyone of vomit, urine or feces, and I could only come up with orange, neon pink and neon green. Text pops better on pink than the other two so...maybe it was a design thing?

In the end though, I think it's a good message and a great way to reach out to individuals when they are in crisis. I hope it helps, I really do.

I have a few problems with this:

1- Bulimia does not only affect females.
2- Bulimics do not ONLY use vomiting as a means of purging.


I also don't know if suffering people will see this ad and actually call for help. Eating disorders are usually only halted through intervention- the victims rarely seeing a problem with what they're doing. In fact, the closer they are to dying, it usually looks more like victory to them. It's only those who are not afflicted who can see what the truth looks like. Also, I don't know if a poster has ever stopped anyone from doing anything.

[0+] Author Profile Page Shanti replied to Danyell :

I do have a counter for your first point. Certainly bulimia affects men as well, but the organization is "Pro Mädchen," which means "Pro-Girl." The organization's focus is on problems girls face, even if others face them as well.

[0+] Author Profile Page rustyspoons replied to Shanti :

Also, I assume the bulimic MEN aren't throwing up in the WOMEN'S restroom? I wonder if there's a male version of this and what it would look like?

But treating ED like they are a problem that only affects females makes it even more difficult for men to get treatment. Men with ED don't get taken seriously because it's a condition "for girls" which brings up other gross stereotypes about masculinity, etc.

[0+] Author Profile Page socbaker replied to Danyell :

Bulimia USUALLY affects women--not that men with EDs should be ignored. But in terms of public health dollars, targeting women makes sense. Since vomiting and laxatives are the most common tools of bulimia, messages on toilets also makes sense in terms of allocating resources. There isn't a bottomless spending account for addressing public health, and this seems like an effective use of limited funds .

That's like saying we should only focus AIDS prevention on gay men (which, wouldn't even be an accurate statistic anymore anyway).

[0+] Author Profile Page CleanNeedlesSaveLives replied to Danyell :

"That's like saying we should only focus AIDS prevention on gay men (which, wouldn't even be an accurate statistic anymore anyway)."

That actually *would* be accurate. The majority of people infected with HIV are still men who have sex with men. That does not mean that other risk groups (people who use intravenous drugs, high risk heterosexuals) should be ignored, but public health dollars and prevention messages should still focus most on the population(s) that bear the burden of the disease. In HIV - that means MSMs. In EDs - that means women and girls.

In reading the last part of my comment, I realized it was a pretty insensitive generalization. Obviously all people suffering with an ED handle it differently and react differently. My comments should have referred to "some" of these people, not all.

Sorry about that. I'll choose my words with more care next time.

But I still stand behind my general points.

[0+] Author Profile Page AshKW said:

Sorry, I think this is gross and offensive. I was actually taken aback. After some consideration, I see where you're coming from, but I think I would have burst out in tears had I seen this.

[0+] Author Profile Page jenny1386 said:

This as is counter productive by triggering thoughts that a recovering bulimic may be trying to avoid. It's like reminding someone with OCD to not think of counting. Now you've introduced the very thought they are trying to avoid, leading to the urge to count. While the ad space and the message is good, the psychology is flawed.

[0+] Author Profile Page Louise replied to jenny1386 :

I disagree. People with eating disorders don't just forget about them. The thoughts are always in the back of your mind, even long after you've stopped acting on them. Everyone has different triggers, you can't bubble wrap the world. After being bombarded with the other images in the media, I think "Bulimia is curable" is probably the least triggering message a recovering bulimic would get in a day.

[0+] Author Profile Page jenny1386 said:

"This as is counter productive" I meant "this ad is counter productive" so sorry.

[0+] Author Profile Page Eliza Murray said:

I do take issue with the word "curable." I think "treatable" is better because ED is not not like a virus that will eventualy with treatment just go away. I don't think the message is just "Don't throw up." It is, "There is hope" and "You can get help". This kind of tactic won't reach everyone with bulimia but I think for certain people at certain stages of the disease it could help. I think our culture's emphasis on beuty and a norrow definition of what that is does effect bulimia. However, their research that also sugest bulimia has genetic component. Even if it was totaly based on social pressures their is no realistic way to change that right now. It is a good goal but if we want to reach people suffering from e.d. right now we need to do other things as well. If someone has bulmia, they probably don't need to be told what it can lead to because they will be feeling the effects at the moment. They will know what it does to them. It's not like smoking where in some unknown future you might get sick. You can feel it taking over your life. You feel why you should seek treatment. I don't think seeing it written, "Bulimia can cause ________" would help. The knowledge that once you if you want to seek treatment it is their is much better.

[0+] Author Profile Page socbaker replied to Eliza Murray :

Keep in mind that the connotations of language may be different in German. Perhaps you speak German and this applies? In any case, if the campaign were in English, these would be points to consider.

[0+] Author Profile Page Kate replied to Eliza Murray :

I don't know. I was bombarded for years with people saying "Once you have an eating disorder, you always will." or "They're treatable, but everyone still slips up and has bad days"

It was only when I found an organization that fully believes that people can 100% recover--and essentially, be cured--of an eating disorder that I recovered from mine. Positive thinking really is important with eating disorders. Otherwise, I think you're allowing for failure.

[0+] Author Profile Page CleanNeedlesSaveLives replied to Kate :

While I'm glad that worked for you, the idea that someone can be "cured" perpetuates the notion that you won't relapse. While one shouldn't focus on failure, when you don't allow any room for it, you outlaw any kind of honest discussion about what relapse is/what it looks like, and what to do if you do relapse. Admittedly, I'm coming from more of a substance use perspective, so it might not translate, but I have a hard time with the idea that someone is one day clean/recovered as opposed to being constantly engaged in a fluid process that fluctuates on a large spectrum - from abstinence to chaos.

Again, it was that attitude that made relapsing more easy for me. Saying everyone relapses made me not care that I did, or not think that its a big deal.

But let me ask you: Do you honestly believe that no one can fully recover from a substance abuse problem?

I'm not saying its the norm, but its a terrible idea to take it away as a possibility.

[0+] Author Profile Page Eliza Murray said:

This add could be triggering. It is one reason I had to think about it before I decided I it is a good idea. But trying to avoid triggering images...it's nearly imposible. Anything can be triggering--a magazine cover in the drug store, a beutiful woman walking down the street, a novel where the female lead is described as "small and delicate" ect. I once spent 4 hours on a treadmill after seeing a Law and Order episode that had a scene in a dance club. There are ways to try and avoid the most likely to be triggering images or things you know will trigger you. However, its imposible to avoid all posibly triggering images. I can't speek for anyone but myself but this is alot less triggering then many things I see every day including other ani-ed adds. That's one of the hardest part of treating ed...whenever it's discussed openly the discussion risks becoming part of the problem as a trigger.

[0+] Author Profile Page K said:

Perhaps the color was not chosen based upon its supposed "girlyness" alone. Hot pink and bright red are eye catching, whereas yellow might blend in to the white seats too much, blue would require a different colored font, etc.

Seriously, I agree that the deluge of pink on anything and everything made for women is a bit ridiculous, but let's face it; if women didn't buy that shit by the truckload the wouldn't manufacture so much of it. Obviously the demand is there.

[0+] Author Profile Page mmagdalena said:

The last thing women need is more orders from the media as to how they should behave. I don't care if the media in this case is just a sticker and the people behind it are well-intentioned. It just adds to the general culture of policing women's choices regarding their bodies.

[0+] Author Profile Page socbaker replied to mmagdalena :

This only makes sense if you view bulimia as a choice. Is alcoholism a choice? How about cancer? If there are no public health messages, the only public information people will get will be from corporate advertising--somehow I don't trust that would be in women's best interests. Note that even here on feministing, this post is drawing diet ads (the one flashing now is for a diet for a flat stomach).

[0+] Author Profile Page Devonian replied to mmagdalena :

I'm pretty sure bulimia is a "choice" that NEEDS to be "policed"...

If pink is the worst thing that can be said about the ad, I think we're inventing reasons not to like it...there are worst colors than pink. Fucia anyone?

[0+] Author Profile Page zp27 said:

So, the ad is premised on the fact that someone will be vomiting while they see it? I'm not sure if that's the right time to be reaching out to a bulimic. I don't think it's necessarily offensive, but I question how effective it will be. But I guess that's why advertisers try a bunch of different mediums, no?
I do agree that the pinkness just kind of makes it look silly...

[0+] Author Profile Page rustyspoons said:

I think it's being a splatter shape is to the point--let's face it, vomit doesn't come out in a neat little ball. But as for the coloring, honestly, if it didn't say "bulimia" on it I would think it was a blood splatter and perhaps something to do with anything from self-injury to not discarding used sanitary pads directly in the toilet. (This also probably has to do with the fact that I don't know German, though.)

[0+] Author Profile Page v.georgiades said:

On this issue, I'm going to give my two cents from a subjective, personal view point, by which I mean that I'm not looking at it so much from a feminist perspective alone, nor am I contemplating the "political correctness"of the ad or the social implications it may carry, but just the effectiveness of it.

As a survivor of various ED's, including bulimia, I find this ad is very effective, or would have been back when I was sick. Yes, the image of bright splatter on the bottom of a toilet seat is gross and controversial and upsetting. But you know what? So is bulimia. And when I say it's gross, I don't mean that it should be kept hidden or lied about but it shouldn't be glamorized or passively accepted either. In my life there were many people who just accepted bulimia as a phase, or as my own free will to do as I wanted so they didn't pressure me to change, when really I needed that pressure.
Of course bulima is controversial, because [women in the majority] grow up with the double standard of having to "look good" when most of us just don't fit that tiny little margin of what's considered "looking good". We're punished for not "looking good", and then shamed into believing it's our fault. And what about the fact that bulimia is often more about control than about weight itself- how much control over themselves are young women taught to demand? So the controversy doesn't only lie in the act itself of purging, but also in the fact that we live in a society that pushes people to that point instead of changing its own standards.
And yes, bulimia is upsetting because it destroys people, kills some of them, and there's not whole lot public outcry about it. It's much more hush hush than anorexia because it's "grosser" and no one wants to talk about someone throwing up in the toilet 4 times a day.

I think the sticker works because it brings all of this to the surface and puts it right in the person's face, literally, where they can't ignore it. I was shocked by the lack of ED educational material, support groups and literature at my university. And when my peers were too afraid to get in my face about my problems, I remember wishing someone would.

finally, as for the color, maybe they are genderizing bulimia, but my first reaction when I saw it brought to mind the image of blood that got spat up with the vomit, so it just made the experience that much more life threatening and that much more real. So I vote thumbs up on that too.

Sometimes I think we worry sooooo much about how someone might get insulted or upset by a message, that we deprive ourselves of getting it across as effectively as possible. Go ahead and try to upset or insult me about my past ED's, it's much better than praising me or making up excuses on my behalf. Praise and excuses wouldn't have helped.

I think it's very effective. If I went into the bathroom and saw that I would try to get a better look at it even if I wasn't throwing up. Natural curiosity, you know.

It is effective because it is a different, creative placement of an ad. You could put the same ad in the hallway leading to a bathroom and how many people would stop and look at it? You could put it in a magazine and how many people would flip by?

It's bound to call attention and cause a buzz.

As for people who think a single ad in a toilet is not going to cause people to say "Hmm, maybe I do have a disease." OK, maybe a single ad will not. But that's the same with any campaign. You don't convince people on the first try usually. But this is one eye-catching way of getting people affected by bulimia (and not just bulimics, I could see it and give the contact info to my sister or brother) to understand there is a place where they can get help.

Of course, they could do the same old ad campaigns in newspapers and such and then we wouldn't be discussing it.

[0+] Author Profile Page Tsunade said:

I want to throw up on it:
It's condescending. It's humorous to someone who doesn't "get" eating disorders. It's got the "eeew, vomit" factor. It's completely ineffective: if someone's gotta purge, they're going to purge. They're not going to get distracted by a hotline and reach for the cell phone. Especially if they're desperate enough to be purging in public anyways. And finally, it's triggering. It's a "reminder" of purging in the first place, and it would be the ultimate "fuck you" to throw up lunch with that PSA staring you in the face.
Hence, I want to throw up on it.

[0+] Author Profile Page Kate replied to Tsunade :

I don't think the goal is to stop anyone from purging when that's what they've set out to do. I think its just saying that there is help out there for those who want it. At the beginning, I would've appreciated knowing the channels I could go through without having to research it myself. It could spark some desire to get help for someone who hadn't realized yet that they wanted/needed it.

[0+] Author Profile Page Anna said:

Pink and orange are the colours of Pro Mädchen's logo. Have a look, their website is kept in the same colour scheme.
The reason the sticker was made pink and orange is probably just that: these are the colours they've been using for the past three years. The target group for this campaign (local girls with bulimia who are already open to the idea of getting help) might already know of the organization, recognize the colours and thus know the offer is legitimate.

The real question is: why is a "pro girl" organization relying on the colour pink? (Looking at the old issues of their newspaper/brochure, they seemed to have used a purple colour scheme years ago, but I admit I like the pink/orange more. It's brighter, warmer, happier and more recognizable.)

I think the placement is actually a really good idea---I know part of remaining bulimic, for me, was denying that that was what I was doing. If I saw something like that right while I was in the moment of purging, I might not have been able to lie to myself for so long.

[0+] Author Profile Page Scheherazade said:

In a way, I think it's a good idea. As a person who has had an ED for a long time, I can say the placement and colors (even though they aren't my favorites) do have an impact. However, I don't think it would've helped when I was down too far but it might have made me more aware of services out there.

[0+] Author Profile Page justsarahbarah said:

Well, I'm not bulimic, but if I saw this ad I would be annoyed because I'm tired of being warned about "girl diseases" all the damn time. My response would be "wtf?" followed by a flush. Can't the bathroom just be a private place, free from ads?

[0+] Author Profile Page No way said:

I think it's great. Half for reaching girls with EDs, half for awareness-raising. Teenagers need to talk more about eating disorders.

I couldn't care less that it's pink, in fact, I think pink is a lovely color. And how does the color matter one bit for the message of this sticker?

I hate the idea that pink is a terrible awful color in all situations almost as much as the idea that anything pink I own implies that breast cancer in women is my primary public health concern.

Oh and I think 'curable' is a fine way of putting it. Last year a friend of mine killed herself when it was confirmed that she has borderline personality disorder, and that she would never be without it. There's no need to tell teenagers that they will hate their bodies always, and I have faith that many 15 year olds who struggle with self-control and body image will have a wonderfully healthy relationship with food some 40 years later.

[0+] Author Profile Page Ivory said:

Reminds me of the public health campaign that trained female hairdressers to talk about risky sexual behavior with their clients and encourage more condom use. A kind of find them where they are gorilla tactic - I like it.

[0+] Author Profile Page sparrow said:

I guess I'm not sure how I feel about this. Well, that's not entirely true, since I know I hate the splatter. I've got no problem with the color, but if I saw this graphic I think it would make me feel a lot worse/more disgusting when I purged.

Personally, it took me a long time to seek help (only recently) because of how ashamed and disgusted I felt, not because I denied what I was doing. Of course, as a woman whose ED progressed into bulemia only in adulthood, I could be coming from a completely different place than the girls/teenagers they're targeting.

[0+] Author Profile Page Marjoram said:

I'm pretty ok with it- I don't really see it doing any harm. Worst case scenario it'll be ignored or laughed at. But ideally, and I think most likely, it'll at least make the person stop and introspect for at least a moment, and I see no harm in that, either. Even if they only notice it after they're done purging, even if it causes some short-term annoyance at the suggestion, it'll at least provoke some internal dialogue on the matter, which is helpful on stigmatized issues like EDs.

[0+] Author Profile Page mayfly said:

I think this ad is great. If I'd seen it during one of my low points, it might not have made me get help right then, but it definitely would have got me thinking about it. And if I'd seen it several times, I might have even checked out their website. I think that's huge, and if they get even a few women thinking about their options, in my mind they've done a great job already.

Everyone here talking about "bulimic women wouldn't like this" or "bulimic women only think such and such" or "people are bulimic for x reason" - you don't know shit about shit until you've been there. Lose the condescending father-knows-best attitude until you've been there. Until you've lived with an eating disorder, you don't get to tell me how a person with an ED would/should react. Sure, you can talk about how you, a person without an eating disorder, feel about it. But don't pretend that you can understand how the target audience would feel about it.

[0+] Author Profile Page that girl replied to mayfly :

In all fairness, a lot of the comments have come from people who acknowledged having dealt with an ED. Also, one person who has suffered from bulemia cannot express the feelings of the group. I have been there, and I also think this ad would have helped. But it may not have helped everyone.

I agree. I'm not saying people with eating disorders have the monopoly on the dialogue by any stretch of the imagination, but the dialogue looks differently once you've actually lived through it. I'm really tired of reading about how I should feel or should think or whatever from self-identified feminists. I'm really tired of rehashing the "beauty standards" debate. I'm tired of the worst thing I've ever been through being portrayed as the result of me being a helpless dupe of culture.

In retrospect, perhaps not the place for me to rant about this, but I have to say it somewhere, I think.

[0+] Author Profile Page julius said:

"Women become bulimic due to unattainable beauty standards"

More than enough women attain such standards -- certainly more than enough to saturate the media. So, by definition, these standards are not unattainable. Personal failure is not a reason to ignore or delegitimize the success of others.

"I think ads that feature messages such as, "you are beautiful", "you are amazing" etc. are more effective"

Lying is not effective, it is pathological.

[0+] Author Profile Page EGhead said:

@ julius: Even if we disregard the existence of photoshop, looking like a model is not possible for the vast majority of women, no matter how hard they try or how much money they spend. It's genetics.

Is no one else disturbed that they're placing ads (messages, if you'd prefer) in the most private of places? Bulimic or not, I would be (and am) disturbed and offended that someone is invading my privacy like that. A bathroom stall is not the place. Would it kill them to put it on the outside of the bathroom door?

[0+] Author Profile Page EGhead said:

@ julius: I know you're probably a troll who I should not be engaging, but your logic is so poor that I can't help it: even if we disregard the existence of photoshop, looking like a model is not possible for the vast majority of women, no matter how hard they try or how much money they spend. It's genetics. I won't bother to address the other part of your comment.

Is no one else disturbed that they're placing ads (messages, if you'd prefer) in the most private of places? Bulimic or not, I would be -and am- disturbed and offended that someone is invading my privacy like that. A bathroom stall is not the place. Would it kill them to put it on the outside of the bathroom door?

[0+] Author Profile Page Louise replied to EGhead :

It would be different if it were in most people's line of vision, but really, the only way you'd be looking at the sticker for more than a split second is if you were vomiting. Plus I think that an actual advertisement would be more offensive than a message from an organization that helps girls with eating disorders.

[0+] Author Profile Page Louise said:

You know what? I love this. I can't speak for anyone else, but when I was sick, purging was rock bottom. It felt like a step up from suicide--it was what happened when there were simply no other options. If I had seen a sticker like that, telling me that there truly was a better option, I think I would definitely have called. I especially like that there's a number--there's nothing to write down or put off, there's no excuse not to get help.

And about the color, I understand the pink-femininity problem, but personally, I'm not about to get offended by any and all usage of the color pink.

[0+] Author Profile Page julius said:

@EGhead:

"looking like a model is not possible for the vast majority of women"

In our era of plastic surgery, pushup bras, makeup, cosmetic products and services, not to mention widespread gyms and widely available dieting resources, looking like a model has never been easier, cheaper or more widely available. Beauty is more democratized than ever before in human history. Genetics is no longer an excuse, it is merely a stumbling block. No one is born a CEO any more than anyone is born a model, but some people make it happen. Don't delegitimize the success of other merely because you've failed.

"I won't bother to address the other part of your comment."

Sure, ignore what you can't refute, maybe it will go away.

[0+] Author Profile Page Ziggy replied to julius :

'Don't delegitimize the success of other merely because you've failed.'

nice work, julius - and this is exactly why I, and I bet most of us, are highly skeptical of plastic surgery, the beauty industry, etc. Because it locates failure in individuals who do not have the financial means or personal desire to rigidly adhere to beauty standards instead of in a system which perpetuates these debilitating, racialized, and homogenizing standards. Beauty is not democratized, not in the least - the option of buying expensive creams and lotions, or undergoing plastic surgery are available to those with money.

Besides - I'd like to not be treated as a failure or successful person on the basis of my looks, thanks you. Locating agency, power, and success in the choice to conform to beauty standards yields a pretty meagre conceptions of agency and power, doesn't it? I for one am not content with that. I guess you wouldn't be either.

[0+] Author Profile Page julius said:

Oh come off it. Plastic surgery -- in fact, beauty in general -- has never been more accessible or affordable in all of human history. If you don't have the cash on hand, you can even get a bank loan for it. Maybe not easily right now, but you could have done this up till about a year ago, before the recession hit, and you could have easily paid it back with the newfound moneymaking opportunities (professional and otherwise) your better looks would have gotten you.

If you don't have the *desire* to succeed, however, that's your problem and your problem only. Work on it with your therapist.

[0+] Author Profile Page julius said:

"Besides - I'd like to not be treated as a failure or successful person on the basis of my looks, thanks you."

I'd like monkeys to fly out of my butt. It would be fun for a little while. Unfortunately, we live in the real world, in which monkeys do not fly out of butts, and in which people judge each other by their looks first and foremost. Welcome to the real world.

"Locating agency, power, and success in the choice to conform to beauty standards yields a pretty meagre conceptions of agency and power, doesn't it?"

Nope. Success is a result of rare and desirable qualities. You don't get to define what these qualities are, your environment does. If everyone around you is a superb writer, your better than average writing skills won't help you succeed, because it's not rare or desirable. The opposite is true as well -- in an environment where beauty is rare and desirable, beauty brings success. This is how it is in our society right now. When your feminist worldview conflicts with elementary macroeconomics, it's time to get a fucking clue.

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