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MA Trooper asks speeding woman in labor to prove it

The lovely Campbell Brown gives us the low-down on a Massachusetts woman and her husband who were pulled over for speeding, given a ticket, and then asked by the state trooper to prove her pregnancy by showing her belly.


Read transcript here.

Nothing gets me more heated than law enforcement officials and the like who feel the need to expose and humiliate women, probably because I've had a couple of encounters myself. One was when I was in the airport last year going through security check-in - the security person told me to take my scarf off, which I did. Then he told me to take my thin cardigan off (I only had a small tank underneath), which I refused - you know, considering the woman who was already in the clear in front of me wasn't asked to take her scarf or jacket off. So he "allowed" me to proceed. Fucking jerk.

I'm sure some of you have had your own experiences...

Posted by Vanessa - December 05, 2008, at 03:28PM | in Harassment , News

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You're talking to the person, who when searched for the third time in the Dulles airport, whipped her shirt up over her breasts and unbuttoned her skir, yanking it halfway down her hips in order to PROVE to the screener with the wand that yes, indeed the stupid thing was just registering the underwires in my bra and the button on my skirt.

My husband couldn't quit laughing, and the woman just muttered, "Ma'am, that's not necessary."
To which I responded, "Obviously it was, or you'd still be waving that damn thing at me. Can I put my shoes on and catch my plane now?"

[0+] Author Profile Page kaylagrrl said:

I flew out of BWI last year on a business trip and was told they had to swab my wheelchair for bomb residue (not uncommon, I know), lest I was a faux paraplegic with terroristic intentions! The real laugh came when the lady told me "we don't suspect you of anything, but someone might've put something on the wheelchair when it was out of your possession." I think I stared and blinked for at least 30 seconds before I explained that, since I can't WALK, the ONLY TIME the wheelchair WAS NOT IN MY POSSESSION is when THEY PUT IT UNDER THE PLANE!!!

Security, I get it. But don't make up BS excuses for WHY you have to invade my personal space and property.

When I was 18, my friend and I were on a road trip and we got pulled over by a state trooper for going 74 in a 70. I thought that was weird in the first place, but then he came over to the passenger's side where I was sitting and started being flirty with me (dude was like 40). I had my high school yearbook in the car and he kept asking to see my picture in it. I had a hairband on my wrist and he started yanking on it and snapping it and eventually ran his hands up and down my arm. My friend and I were totally freaked out but also sort of in the middle of nowhere. Eventually he let us go we called our parents. They were more than a little upset. Lucky for us, he had left his State trooper ID on a form he gave us.

Ick.

[0+] Author Profile Page James_ said:

I've never found airport security people to be independant thinkers. They seem to be working out of a manual which would rather strip people of rights / privacy instead of being considerate, understanding, or sensible.

At the same time, it's an easy news target to try to slip things through security just by knowing / working the system. This way the media can do a few hard hitting pieces on how lax LAX may be (which only gets security tightened even futher, making travel a bigger hassle than it is).

I wish I made enough money to charter private jets.

No Joke.

I once had airport security scan my coffee and a partially eaten bagel sandwich I bought at the Dunkin' Donuts 10 feet from the check point. It was crazy early; the guards, my parents and I were the only people in sight. So they actually WATCHED me buy the breakfast, then scanned it. Granted, these days they wouldn't even let the coffee through at all.

Obviously people in power harassing women is a bad thing, but saying the cop was out to "expose and humiliate" the woman depends on some pretty big assumptions. I live in MA and my Dad was a cop, I can somewhat sympathize with the trooper's position.

1)People go zooming down the breakdown lane during a traffic jam CONSTANTLY.

2)People falsely claim a variety of problems to get out of a ticket, and i personally have known women who claim...various...reproductive...issues.

3)We know nothing about the woman's size and build so wouldn't necessarily be obvious she was pregnant. Nor do we know the couple's attitude.

From the trooper's perspective it might have looked like a car was caught speeding in the breakdown lane and lied about the cause. If the situation was dubious, he's certainly not going to prove an escort for them without any corroboration.

Are there bad cops out there? Certainly, but this story seems to have quite a bit indignant spin to it.

[0+] Author Profile Page James_ replied to Roni :

I can accurately be accused of coming here to defend men - but this time, I have to side with the indignant.

From what we know, she was actually in labor. So in my head the right thing would've been to NOT make her wait while he was writing a ticket for someone else, but instead to tell her that he was unable to help her - radio ahead the information about pregnant woman on the way using the breakdown lane.

Granted, using the broken-down lane as an emergency lane is dangerous - and the cop would've been fucked if they had gotten in an accident after he advised them to use it, but telling the driver that he was taking a personal risk in letting them do so and asking him to drive carefully (which I'm sure he was, pregnant/in labor woman in the car and all) should've been enough.

[0+] Author Profile Page Okra replied to James_ :

James, in your time here, haven't you noticed that the feminism/humanism expressed on this site is in no way or shape related to a desire to accuse men, such that they'd need "defense?"

Are you aware that humanism and all its sub-branches (including feminism) have beef with societies and their cultural expressions, and not with any branch of the human race--neither any ethnic group nor religious group nor gender?

[0+] Author Profile Page James_ replied to Okra :

There've been plenty of times that I've seen discussions here turn into groupthink male bashing. I just like to keep an eye out for times like those and try to interject a different perspective to try to balance things back towards humanism and away from misandry.

Every group needs balance and multiple perspectives /to remain healthy.

Oh how sweet, James is here to help us keep a balanced perspective. Jimmy, I think you are confused about the difference between calling out individual assclowns on their douchery and actual misandry. This comment is the former. The latter is rarely tolerated.

You know, my sister and brother-in-law both said that the airport screening in Germany was one of the most physically invasive they had ever been through (sister's comment "I guess if I'm going to smuggle something, I should tape it to my nipples since that's the only part of me they didn't touch"), but that the screeners were unfailingly polite and respectful. Why can't US screeners be polite and respectful.

[0+] Author Profile Page sbecker10 replied to FrumiousB :

I was in Germany last year and it was no more invasive than it is here . . .

I'm in a band, where we play shows late at night, have to load our gear and I dress in what one calls 'stage clothes' rather than street clothes. These clothes tend to involve multiple layers of fishnets and sequined skirts. I look flashy and good because, a)i like to wear that stuff and b)it looks good on stage.

As you can imagine, I get a lot of looks while picking up my 70 pound bass amp and carrying it to the car in my fishnets and miniskirts. I'm generally fine w/ it when dressed like that, but what I'm not fine w/ is blatant objectification. Looking is one thing, even multiple glances, but more triggers me.

Last week I was loading gear into our van on a relatively quiet downtown street when a car drove by just as I was shutting the back door. I had a jacket on, but my fishnets/boots were visible. The car slows to almost a stop, the rider rolls down the window and leers at me. As the words "Fuck You!" roll off my tongue, I see he has a cop hat on....

He actually continues driving and I go to the side of the van to get something out, I come back around and see he has backed his car up in the street and rolled down his window AGAIN. So I hid behind the car and waited for him to go.

I know, cowardly, but I really didn't want to deal w/ an arrest/further confrontation. I really felt he was abusing power and it was icky. Or maybe he thought I was actually selling something... its still a mystery. Either way, I'm glad I kinda got to stick it to a cop w/o going to jail....

[0+] Author Profile Page James_ replied to SouthernFeminist :

So there was no chance that an off-duty cop was wondering what a someone loading expensive equipment into a van was doing? You did say that you are dressed abnormally (technically you said flashy) and that you were loading things into the back of a van in a dark alley...

Maybe I don't know the definition of 'leering' that you're using, but perhaps he was trying to be helpful and make sure that you weren't stealing someone else's stuff. Perhaps he drove back by because you told him 'fuck you' when his intentions could've been ok.

Again, this is all based on the word "leering". If you mean, rolling his window down and peering at you with strong interest - I don't know if you've a strong argument. If he was saying shit out of his window that would indicate he had bad intentions, then you may want to indicate that when you tell this story again.

[0+] Author Profile Page Liza replied to James_ :

Anyone who has ever been leered at knows the definition. It may not be the kind of thing one can put into words, but there's a very distinct feeling you get from leering that is far outside the realm of just looking at what you're doing.

[0+] Author Profile Page James_ replied to Liza :

By her description she was already saying 'fuck you' before she even saw that he was a cop. So I'm not convinced that it wasn't assumption on her part that put together dark alley+my stage clothes+slow moving car rolling down his window = leering at me when another version is possible.

I'm not saying that she's a liar, that all men are good, or that her feelings were invalid. I was just asking for clarification on her part before I'm willing to take in the story as she described it.
No harm in that.

james,
It wasn't a dark alleyway. It was a quiet street and I was right in front of the bar where we were loading our gear after the show. It was around midnight and there were people standing outside smoking, so it wasn't deserted.

I could possibly see he was checking things out because of a van filled with equipment. Even so, being a woman who's experienced leering for a lot of her life, that's certainly what it was, however the action was combined to include official police business.

I appreciate you playing devil's advocate, but a creepy look/leer is hard to misinterpret when someone is looking you up and down without making conversation.

[0+] Author Profile Page Katie replied to James_ :

This case doesn't seem horribly unreasonable to me. The woman's wearing a large coat in the Massachusetts winter and says she's labor. He didn't ask her to 'expose' her belly or touch her.

Although, there's difference in wording: Campbell Brown says THEY pulled up to the trooper, the heading says the trooper pulled THEM over. If they pulled up to the trooper to ask for help and she was in horrible pain, he's a real jerk for making them wait. But if they pulled up and all he saw was a woman not in obvious pain or distress, I don't think it's horrible to finish writing a ticket and then ask for a general indication that their request for special permission to use the lane was necessary.

The ticket is wrong, though.

[0+] Author Profile Page James_ replied to Katie :

The cop was probably occupying the breakdown lane giving someone else a ticket. So when they were travelling in this lane and "pulled up to a cop" it was likely because he was obstructing their path.The heading should probably say that a cop detained a pregnant woman - since by his actions he made her wait.

I'm guessing she pulled up to him (which I"m sure cops hate - since when you do a job that your life is at risk, surprises are not a good thing), he was following the guidlines in finishing one process before starting another.

And it's easy to say that he should bend the rules, but having a high level of indignation over a situation where we weren't there and don't know the full story I'll admit that I wasn't there and I have no huge right to pass judgement on his actions or him as a person.

This reminds me of when I got a speeding ticket in Detroit in 2003. I commuted from city to suburb and I was late to class. So I was speeding down Woodward Avenue, which is a main road in the D. I was going 40 mph in a 30 mph zone. My car is old so the speedometer was broken. For instance, if I am going 40 mph it actually means that I am going about 36-37 mph. Anyway, the cop pulled me over and gave me a ticket for going 40 in a 30 mph zone. I was rushed, having family issues and my life was a mess at the time. So I was not the most balanced and grounded person at the time. So I believed I played a part in getting the ticket on some level. The cop handed me a ticket although I said I was late for an exam for class. As he walked away I said, "why don't you fix your Fu***** city instead of giving people like me a ticket." If anyone knows the D they know why I would of had anger about the state of the city and why I said something like this to the cop.

A few minutes later after I found a parking spot I was kicking myself for saying something like that but was glad he probably did not hear me.

Cops abuse power for sure, they need to be taught compassion, peace and tolerance and not how to perpetuate abuse, violence and all ways that maintain the police state.

[0+] Author Profile Page James_ replied to Cecelia :

You said that your spedometer was broken - but that would make your car illegal to drive since it would create an unsafe driving condition. The sentence before that, you said you were speeding (so - you knew you were speeding, but didn't know by how much you were speeding). The cop was just doing his job.

And on top of all of this, you say that cops are too high and mighty - but you call the city HIS city. You lived there too. Cincinnati is my city. Even though we had problems with cops, we had problems with race riots, we had problems with crime - they were the problems of everyone in the city, not just the police's fault or responsability to fix.

I agree with you on your last statement. However, I wish you had widened it to that all people need to be taught compassion, peace, and tolerance.

[0+] Author Profile Page darlescharwin replied to Cecelia :

I'm sorry that the situation upset you and you felt as though it was an abuse of power, however I feel that you deserved the ticket. I understand that you were late for an exam, however you created an unsafe environment for those around you by speeding. If you were aware that your odometer was broken you should have taken this into account when comparing your speed with that of the speed limit. It seems to me that asking the police officer to take into your test is like asking him to work around your schedule lest you be inconvienced and strikes me as a little selfish...

Can anyone tell that I've been hit by a flighty, speeding college student late to her next class? Lol!

[0+] Author Profile Page marilove replied to Cecelia :

"So I believed I played a part in getting the ticket on some level."

On SOME level? How about EVERY level?

Let's see:

You admitted to speeding. WHICH IS ILLEGAL and warrants a ticket. You admitted to your speedometer being broken. WHICH IS ILLEGAL and warrants a ticket if you can't determine your correct speed and therefore ILLEGALLY speed.

"The cop handed me a ticket although I said I was late for an exam for class."

This isn't his business, nor his problem. You were speeding. You were driving a car with a broken speedometer. BOTH ILLEGAL.

His job is to, you know, give tickets to those who DO ILLEGAL THINGS while driving. Which you were doing. Twofold!

"why don't you fix your Fu***** city instead of giving people like me a ticket." "

Yeah, and then you act like a big, fat asshole baby for no reason. Yeah, you’re glad he didn’t hear you, because then you didn’t have to taker responsibility for your childish words.

“Cops abuse power for sure,”

LOLWHUT? There was NO abuse of power. You were speeding and driving a car with a broken speedometer. You deserved the ticket.

Man, do I ever hate people who can’t take responsibility for their own actions, especially when driving a vehicle that CAN KILL OTHER PEOPLE.

If you don’t want a ticket, don’t fucking speed. And if you speed and get a ticket, don’t say the cop was “abusing his power.” There was no abuse of power. None. Just you being a fucking idiot.

[0+] Author Profile Page marilove replied to marilove :

""The cop handed me a ticket although I said I was late for an exam for class."

This isn't his business, nor his problem. You were speeding. You were driving a car with a broken speedometer. BOTH ILLEGAL."

And let me clarify, because I know someone will mention it:

If she had been in labor or was otherwise in an emergency situation, as the pregnant woman in the original post was, then I could see the outrage. BUT BEING LATE FOR CLASS IS NOT A LIFE-THREATENING EMERGENCY. It is NOT the officer's fault that you didn't leave on time, and therefore was running late. IT IS NOT the fault of the people on the road you put in danger by not only speeding, but driving a non-fully functional car.

Don't want a speeding ticket? DO NOT SPEED. Don't want to speed. LEAVE EARLIER. And if you DO speed and get a ticket, don't fucking bitch about it and then whine about how the cop was abusing his power, when he was just doing his job.

And people wonder why cops can be such assholes. Maybe it's because of irresponsible, whiny idiots like Cecelia who can't seem to understand that SPEEDING IS ILLEGAL.

A year or so after the first OJ trial (which was also the year I moved to NYC), I was having a disagreement with my boyfriend on the street. He threw a bottle on the sidewalk in anger, and a cop car happened to be driving by at that time. They slammed and cuffed him against the car immediately. When one of the officers asked if I wanted to press charges, I said, "no" (because he had done nothing to me). The officer replied, "OK, Nicole!"

I kid you not.

At least we had a good laugh about the whole incident at 4am during his allocated phone call...

[0+] Author Profile Page mediaphd83 said:

I wear an ostomy on my lower abdomen. Sometime it fills with air. This one particular day, I went through airport security, and after I took my hoodie off and went through the detector, I had a security guard stop me and pull me to the side and asked what was underneath my shirt. I told him what it was. He didn't believe me and demanded that I take whatever it was from my shirt. I laughed and said okay. I raised my shirt and un-buttoned my jeans halfway to show him the pouch. He looked at me and said, 'All you had to say was it was a medical device." Fucking asshole.

[0+] Author Profile Page mediaphd83 said:

I wear an ostomy on my lower abdomen. Sometime it fills with air. This one particular day, I went through airport security, and after I took my hoodie off and went through the detector, I had a security guard stop me and pull me to the side and asked what was underneath my shirt. I told him what it was. He didn't believe me and demanded that I take whatever it was from my shirt. I laughed and said okay. I raised my shirt and un-buttoned my jeans halfway to show him the pouch. He looked at me and said, 'All you had to say was it was a medical device." Fucking asshole.

[0+] Author Profile Page ZacRfron said:

So I'm on the beach discreetly having a beer, right, when up roll these two pimply faced cops, clearly a couple of geeks who have finally been granted manhood courtesy of the NYPD. They're on one of those four wheeling ATV things, and they start busting my chops about drinking being prohibited on the beach. They let me off with a warning after having me empty my beverage, so I'm pissed, but I'll get over it. I WAS breaking the law, after all.
Cut to about about two hours later, and I'm coming out of the ocean to my towel, and I see the same two cops parked about thirty feet away. I'm thinking they're giving a hard time to the 4 young ladies who've been drinking and smoking weed since they got here awhile ago. (Im so naive, I know!).
On the contrary, a grand time was being had by all. The girls were taking pictures with the cops while sitting on their little beach cruiser thing, and the cops were giving them an in depth interrogation regarding where they're from and if they've got boyfriends.
Now, not only were these girls were clearly drinking, not one of them looked legal drinking age, and one was very obviously drunk, which prompted one of these young officers to remark "she's having fun today".
New York's Finest!

That was fucked up. And why doesn't the husband know how to drive?

[0+] Author Profile Page marilove replied to sondjata :

Maybe he doesn't have his license? Maybe he never got his license? Maybe he doesn't want his license? Maybe he doesn't want to drive? Why is that relevant?

I didn't learn how to drive 'til I was 24. People seemed to think this was a Big Deal. It wasn't. I just didn't want to drive. It has nothing to do with anything.

[0+] Author Profile Page PamelaVee said:

I hope the woman who was in labor sues the officer for the cost of the ticket.

I don't really respect police officers much, given the few interactions I've had with them. There is this sense of entitlement to respect they have that I simply cannot stomach.
Talk to me like a HUMAN BEING. You put a badge on someone and they go nuts. Anyway, that's just my take on the whole thing. This particular cop was a scum bag. I think I very may well have called 911 when being pulled over in this situation. Granted, it's very stressful and cops know how to make people feel helpless.

You put a badge on someone and they go nuts.

I think it's worse than that - I think the badge tends to attract men with little tiny peepees and a complex to go along with it. But I've had a lot of fucked up interactions with the police, mostly involving protests where they're in combat gear and armed while we're peacefully protesting, unarmed, and they always (in every situation I've ever been in) start the physical confrontation.

Word of advice, openly look at his badge and write down the number while looking him in the eyes. That usually alters their behavior.

[0+] Author Profile Page alixana replied to Rachel_in_WY :

I'm sure it's a combination of both. I dated a cop once. We started dating in college before he actually got the job, and let's just say he wasn't a puppies-and-giggles sort of person to start with. He was also strictly Catholic and believed in the whole original sin thing, giving him an even worse outlook on humanity before he stepped into the role.

And then, once you ARE a cop, you deal with a lot of assholes. Not even the people in this thread whining about being late to class justifying their speeding, but the ones whose house you get called to for domestic violence calls, the ones who are scary and dangerous, the ones who wouldn't hesitate to hurt someone. I'm sure after a while it has to weigh down on them in a really depressing way, and their view of people is that everyone lies and that everyone's an asshole.

Sure, it's not fair for them to generalize about us. But we're sitting here generalizing about them. I'm sure there are plenty of stories to be told about the times someone was helped by a cop when they needed it.

[0+] Author Profile Page marilove replied to alixana :

I've worked with a lot of cops through the years. Like with any other group of people, there are bad apples and good apples.

Being a cop is very, very stressful, and I think sometimes that stress can result in someone who would have otherwise been an okay person in another field, to turn into a raging asshole. They have to keep themselves hard, especially if they are a cop in, say, NYC. Some people just can't handle the pressure. It's no excuse for cops to act like jerks, of course.

But there ARE plenty of good cops. Sadly, they tend to get overlooked while the bad cops get all the press.

[0+] Author Profile Page MKA said:

Feministing,

You dropped the ball on this one. Although Campbell's editorial is a nice slam, she doesn't quiet give the whole story, which includes some important points. Such as:

1) "They [the Davises, husband and preggo wife] pulled up behind a state trooper to ask whether they could continue using the lane to reach the next exit, near Alewife Station." They were not pulled over but approached the trooper.

2) "The Davises say the contretemps occurred after two other troopers they encountered had waved them along in the highway breakdown lane, allowing them to evade gridlock while advising them to be cautious and keep their hazard lights on."

For a website that is usually really good at redeeming the WHOLE story (from say, crazy anti-abortion groups that want to limit women's rights and access in the name of "god" or doctor's rights), you really neglected to do some research, relying on only one source. Here's the oringinal source that even Campbell cites: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/12/04/in_rush_hour_labor_ticket_delivered/

[0+] Author Profile Page T-Monster replied to MKA :

Thank you! Half this thread makes little sense because the outrage is misplaced. Do a little more digging people, the actual details are plenty substantive to prove the cop was being a dick.

[0+] Author Profile Page mikeski said:

You people kill me! I see all these people talking about how they told off a cop after getting a ticket, and in the same posts talk about how the cop(s) had/have a bad attitude. Are you serious? Gee I wonder why their attitude is so bad? Could it be from dealing with everyone that thinks they SHOULD be the exception to the rule? That their excuse is a good enough reason fro breaking the law? Maybe it's from dealing with idiots that broke the law, got ticketed, then cussed out the cop? The lady was in labor, I get that, how many times has the cop heard that when it wasn't true? Driving in the "breakdown" lane. Hummmm.... sounds dangerous, what if say, oh I don't know, lets pick something stupid, like there's a car broken down in the breakdown lane. Imagine the possibility of that! I know the odds are slim right? I'm not a cop, never have been, never wanted to be, I'm in another line of work that has a lot of rules, the rules are there for a reason. MAYBE you people should pull your heads out?

[0+] Author Profile Page T-Monster replied to mikeski :

What do you mean YOU PEOPLE!?

Sorry. Couldn't resist. ; )

And BTW I have a lot of cops in my family, and a lot of cops as friends (NYPD)- good people, good cops most of the time like any other person is. But cops aren't just labeled as power tripping assholes because civilians are always making shit up. It's because they waste their time busting people on stupid petty shit to meet quotas. The system is flawed- and it's a vicious circle.

Just because rules exist doesn't mean they work- and there ARE exceptions, like it or not. The cop knows that, and he could have been a human and let them pass, but he decided to make $100 for the state. For that, I label him, dickwad copper.

[0+] Author Profile Page mikeski replied to T-Monster :

Gee T-Monster,

You're right. Let's just throw out ALL the rules! There IS a reason you shouldn't drive in the breakdown lane, you put anyone that may be broken down in that lane in danger as well as yourself. It WASN'T that big an emergency, if it were then they should have let the cop call for an ambulance, this ISN'T rocket science. He asked if they needed an ambulance, they said no, in his mind, as it is in mine, it WASN'T an emergency. IT WASN'T one in the couples minds either. If it was they would have taken the ambulance. As a former EMT I can tell you that child birth in and of itself is not a real emergency unless the mother is prone to complications. This wasn't their first kid either. They knew or at least SHOULD have known what was going on with her labor. The problem here is that they thought they should get a "pass". They didn't they rolled the dice and lost $100.00, big deal, good thing they didn't hit anyone that was broken down huh? Wonder what they would have paid had they hit someone driving in a line they were not to be driving in in the first place? What if some poor slob was changing a flat tire and they hit the broken car and it fell on the guy changing the tire? Could kill him/her? What if they missd that same car but not the person changing the tire? Could kill them no? Like I said there are reasons for rules. Had they used their heads and thought it through, they wouldn't have got a $100.00 ticket, had you used your head and thought it through we wouldn't be having THIS conversation!

Asking a person whose job is allegedly to protect and serve to use some judgment in an emergency situation is not the same as suggesting we throw out All the rules. And according to the news story, they had been advised by 2 other state patrolmen to continue cautiously in that lane with their hazard lights on.

I've never been an EMT, but I have been in labor, and the last place you want to be is in an ambulance or talking to an asshole cop.

[0+] Author Profile Page Lumix replied to mikeski :

Not to mention ambulances cost money.
Why would they expect shit from this cop when the last two had waved them through? Clearly they expected this guy to do the same and instead he tickets them. I understand that cops get a lot of bullshit from people but I really don't think he made the right decision in this situation.

I don't doubt that cops hear a lot of BS in their daily lives. That doesn't change the fact that most cops that I've interacted with were arrogant, entitled pieces of shit who routinely assume you're guilty until proven innocent. Believe me, most of them are not there to "protect and serve." Most of them are there to boost their ego and demonstrate what giant cocks they have. I have little sympathy for cops, because they've never really shown any for me, even in situations where I legitimately needed their help. "Protect and serve" my ass.

[0+] Author Profile Page LalaReina said:

Why isn't the cops name put out there? We don't hold them accountable like we do idiot politicians and idiots athletes? If they couple had be wrong their names wouldn't be shielded.

RE: The airport thing.

It's weird that the woman in front of you didn't have to take off her jacket, and it's weird that the guy let you get away with it. Every time I've had a flight I've had to take off my jacket in order to get through security.

A lot of the time this stuff is justified. Some cops are assholes, and some airport security people are assholes, but for the most part they're just trying to do their job. People lie and hide things, and when it's your job to figure out who's lying and who's telling the truth, you can't exactly take them at their word.

[0+] Author Profile Page Elsewhere said:

While I believe the cop was acting cruelly in this instance, I back up Miki on the "fuck da police" rant that most people seem to be having. If I had to deal with everyone thinking they should be the exception to the rule, I'd be grumpy, too.

[0+] Author Profile Page supersoygrrrl said:

my aunt had a great one when being harassed by the metal detectors when going into a court room.

she yelled out, "LOOK. I'VE GOT NOTHING LEFT ON ME. SO IF IT'S STILL GOING OFF, IT'S EITHER THE STUFF IN MY FAKE TITS OR THE METAL PLATE IN MY SKULL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU!"*

* my aunt doesn't actually have either.

[0+] Author Profile Page sebaceousdrazzle said:

Cops have been nothing but nice to me, personally. And not in the contrived 'well you just be a good girl, sweetie' way. Nothing sexist and nothing that would indicate an abuse of power.
guess im either personally lucky or we have good cops where i live

I've had nothing but bad experiences with cops and security guards.

Whenever I fly, I always - ALWAYS - get picked for the "random" pat-down, undo-your-belt-in-front-of-everyone-else-in-line search. I've been completely strip-searched once for no reason. As to cops - cops commit so much violence against women that it's hard for me to conceive of why a woman would ever come to a cop's defense. What about all the women - especially non-white women and transwomen! - who've been harassed, beaten, and even killed by cops? What about the thousands of deaths every year that go under-investigated or even not investigated at all because police negligence was a huge contributing factor? How many times have you heard about sex trade workers getting harassed by cops, or cops getting called into a domestic violence situation and saying "oh, well, we can't interfere"?

Most folks are quick to tell me that oh, there are some decent people who are cops, but I fail to understand how a decent person can ally themselves and work with and present a united front with people who actively participate in one of the most systematic and disgusting abuses of power in North America. Like, yeah, I'm sure some nazis were decent people, too, they just happened to condone the murder of thousands upon thousands of innocent Jewish, gay, black, and disabled people! Fuck.

TL;DR - rather than condemning the cop-bashing going on here, I think it's to be commended and encouraged. People SHOULD challenge the power that cops have, because they sure as hell aren't doing any good with it.

[0+] Author Profile Page marilove replied to Laura :

Way to stereotype and generalize! Jesus Christ, people, sure there are bad cops, BUT NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD. There are bad DOCTORS; you don't demonize ALL doctors, do you? OF COURSE NOT.

It does not help at all to start demonizing an entire group. And besides, aren't we AGAINST stereotypes?! Replace "cop" with "black" or "jew" or "gay" and get back to me.

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