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Spitting Game: A film about "hook up" culture

Because there aren't enough scare tactics out there about crazy college kids hooking up and having The Sex. Sigh.

The trailer of this film kind of looks like a movie version of the chastity-pushing books that are so popular these days. (Naturally, I could be wrong and the film could be perfectly objective, but the fact that the IWF is endorsing it automatically gives me pause.)

What immediately struck me about this clip, however, is that the film shouldn't be about hooking up - but about booze. Perhaps the real problem on college campuses isn't that kids are having sex, but that they're having it drunk. Just a thought.

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What immediately struck me about this clip, however, is that the film shouldn't be about hooking up - but about booze. Perhaps the real problem on college campuses isn't that kids are having sex, but that they're having it drunk.

Yes yes yes. Couldn't agree more.

Thank You!!

By the time I left for college, I had long made an important choice. I don't drink alcohol. (My parents both struggled with alcohol abuse; I decided not to drink before my peer group started.)

So like my peers, I stayed up late hanging out and trying to get laid, or stayed up all night with sex partners, pretty routinely. But unlike some of my peers, when the sun peeked over the horizon and it was time to finish up the reading, shower and head to class, I wasn't hung over. And I remembered who I hooked up with the night before, and everything we did.

Like you say, Jessica, the problem with the "hook-up culture" is primarily a problem of alcohol abuse. It leads to unconsciousness, violence, poor communication, and forgotten or flubbed safety measures, all of which are antithetical to meaningful consent.

It's a vicious cycle, though -- there's so much pressure on women around dating and especially sex, that we shouldn't be surprised when they feel the need to drink to relax in a charged environment with potential sex partners. Then, there's so much guilt and shame and rule-making and judgment about sex that we can't be surprised when they drink more to feel comfortable being sexual.

Jessica! Thomas! Idiolect! Looking at sex and the hookup culture with reason! Sorry, I am exposed to so much crap with regard to sex, young people, and teh evil vagina, I forget people actually have reasonable viewpoints on this stuff.

It took me way too long to figure out that it's my body, my choice and that my biggest concern with my sex life shouldn't be society's view of virginity and hooking up, etc., but whether or not I am satisfied by my own sex life.

Turns out, hooking up doesn't work for me. Turns out, I can't orgasm drunk, or with a stranger. Hardly unusual, but it shouldn't have taken me that long to figure it out.

[0+] Author Profile Page SociologicalMe said:

For a less slut-shaming study of hookup culture, check out Kathleen Bogle's book Hooking Up: Sex, Dating, and Relationships on Campus. She's an alum of my current soc program, and I saw her speak about her findings earlier this semester. Interesting findings, great speaker.

The obsession over hookup culture isn't anything new, at least to my college career. Apparently the women and gender studies department at my school is actually offering a class on the idea of it now.

I really don't think a movie about hookup culture is going to solve anything. I mean, is our generation really any different than the previous? I doubt it. At least now there's emergency condoms in the hallways of the dorms (at my university at least, but there's actually a lot of resources for sexual health at my school, so I'm probably luckier than most.)

As for the booze, it's a problem that's probably not going to go away anytime soon. My school actually required this online alcohol education course (and I know a lot of universities use it) before you start the freshman year (although most students hated it and ignored it). Freshmen are also required to participate in a freshmen orientation program about sexual assault (and sexual health in general), and part of the focus of it is the effects of alcohol on the issue (I'm also proud to say that it's not a stereotypically heteronormative program, we discuss not only male on female assault, but female on male and same-sex assault). We also have sexual health programs for every dorm (which are exceedingly popular).

Unfortunately, in spite of all these resources, our rates of sexual assault are still at the national level, and 98% of cases involve use of alcohol by at least one person involved. Why?

I'm a member of a sexual health awareness group at my school, and having tried to work with students on campus for the last three years, I think why we still have such high rates in spite of all the resources and information is . . . wait for it . . . the culture of sex education! If, for eighteen years, kids are subjected to lectures that don't yield decent information, are condescending and judgemental, and push moral views on people who don't necessarily share them, they learn to reject sex education in most forms. I have peers who are convinced that the group I'm in exists only to make women hate men and reject sex altogether. They only enjoy the dorm programs because they involve banana/condom races and sex toy giveaways.

Basically, the origin of this problem is a lot farther back than people think. The problem isn't that kids are having sex or that they're drinking, it's that they don't do it responsibly because we haven't learned to value responsibility in these issues.

is our generation really any different than the previous?

If anything, the things my mother tells me about her college years and those immediately following make anything my peers and I got up to not just pale, but vanish in a puff of smoke by comparison. I think it's just the usual hysteria about teenagers! having! sex! (especially girls! who are supposed to Know Better! and not be interested in That Sort of Thing)

[0+] Author Profile Page Athenia said:

Screw hook up culture!

Sincerely,
Athenia who wishes male prostitution was acceptable for women because she would vastly prefer to have sex with a professional rather than stupid boys who think they're really cool.

P.S. Yes, I'm having a moment today. Bare with me.

[0+] Author Profile Page MiddleageLiberal replied to Athenia :

I'm not a professional at sex but I'm not a stupid boy either. Would you still like me to "bare" with you?

I know Freud is not a favored guy around here but sometimes the slips are just too good to pass up.

(Just teasing.I have been spelling challenged, too, and have wished this board had an editing function.)

[0+] Author Profile Page gothchiq replied to MiddleageLiberal :

I'm middle aged too. (40) Back when the earth's crust was still cooling, lol, when I was in college, the hookup thing wasn't really going on. At least not in my location. I have to say I am glad. This would have been colossally stressful for me had I tried it or had I been expected to do it. I had the same boyfriend throughout my 4 undergraduate years...granted, he could be a poopyhead, but yeah. :P I can deal with one partner at a time, and I have to love them or else I don't enjoy the sex. I tried a couple one night stands at other times and god how they sucked. Hookup culture would have been the death of me.

I'm an old fart! I'm so glad to be off the dating scene! I've been partnered with Mr. Gothboy for 8 1/2 years now and I like it this way!

[0+] Author Profile Page Athenia replied to MiddleageLiberal :

Yes, I thought that word looked suspect. Sorry for my laziness.

Hooking up works for some young women, but many are dissatisfied with the script. Consider the following stats:
• 91% of students reported that hooking up was very common or fairly common on their campuses.
• 87% of college students report having hooked up.
• 73% of girls wish dating were more common.
• 12% of hookups eventually lead to relationships.
• 60% of sexually active teenagers will at some point have sex with someone they are not dating.
• 49% of students who had intercourse during a hookup never saw the other person again.
• 61% of women who say hooking up makes them feel desirable also say it makes them feel awkward.
• During hookups, guys have orgasms 44% of the time. Girls have orgasms 19% of the time.
• 12% of women say that it is sometimes easier to have sex with a guy they don’t know than to make conversation.
Check out my website, www.HookingUpSmart.com for sources and content that aims to support young women who both hook up and want relationships.

[0+] Author Profile Page MiddleageLiberal replied to susanawalsh :
• 73% of girls wish dating were more common.

I've seen statements like this for years but I am beginning to doubt it. Maybe it's something young women say but don't really believe it or don't tell it to their male acquaintances. Otherwise it would be a self-correcting phenomenon. There is some social disincentive that is preventing "dating". Is the term defined for the stat? Does "dating" mean a sustained exclusive relationship, i.e. when Jack is "dating" Jill? Or is it what I've thought when reading these, the act of asking or taking another out on a date? Assuming the convention is still more the man asking the woman, what disincentive is in place now that didn't use to be in place?

I'm a college student (and I've done both the hookup thing and the dating thing and the relationship thing), and I also doubt this statistic, to some extent. (let me qualify that—I don't doubt the statistic, I question its application).

To answer your question though, as we tend to define it: "dating" as such is simply going out on dates. "Relationship" and dating are not synonyms in this case. (In fact, most people I know at school are of the opinion that college relationships never involve dating. A common complaint at my school ((which in fact comes from both men and women)) is that there seem to be only two options, hooking up or relationships. No strings attached, or complete monogamy.)) This is because most relationships at college ((at least at mine)) evolve from people who already know each other deciding that they're a couple. I can't tell you the number of people I know who are in extremely committed relationships or have had them and claim to have never been on a real date.)

Why I say that I disagree with the use of this statistic is this: the reason why women say they want more dating at college isn't because they wish there were fewer hookups or that they want to be in a relationship (they may wish those things, but it's not the reason they say this.) We say this because there is this idea that a relationship is more legitimate, more romantic, if it evolved in the traditional, going-on-dates sort of way. It's a hollywood conception. It's not necessarily a bad thing—god knows i've said this myself—but it's simply that we've convinced ourselves that it's not a "mature" relationship if we don't go on dates, and we're at that time in our lives when we want to prove that we're as mature as possible.

Honestly, I don't think this is any different than previous decades. There's always this constant sense that the courtship process isn't what it used to be, in every generation.

(on another note, i asked my current boyfriend to go on a date with me, not the other way around. dating does exist, it's just a lot more private than hookups are.)

[0+] Author Profile Page MiddleageLiberal replied to alwayshopeful :

The idealized culture of "dating" that you describe makes some sense. There is a perceived longing for dating but its not real or strong enough for either gender to actually get enough gumption to ask someone. With the ubiquity of cellphones I would think it would be easier than ever.

From my observations of both my kids, one out of college one still in, and their friends, it seems that people only went out on one-on-one dates with others they were already in an exclusive (at least semi-) steady relationship with. Otherwise everything was a group activity. I sensed there was some subtlety enforced disapproval of asking someone out on a one-on-one date. Dating is not customary on the high school scene except between steady partners, so it's not too surprising that the habit carries over.

When I hear about the large amount complaints about the lack of dating, it fuels my thinking that I could run circles around the guys in college were I back there (with my old 20 year old body and hair color, of course). But when I come to my senses I realize I would be subject to the same social strictures as everyone else and my private thought preening is nothing more than "the older I get the better I was."

Funny that you would say that the cell phone makes it easier; it's actually more awkward than in person (although it can work). Case in point: I knew my current boyfriend for two years before I asked him out, had his number, hadn't ever actually called him though. I wanted to ask him out face to face, but I got impatient, and awkwardly called him up. Lots of people use texting (which is less awkward since it doesn't involve awkward silences), but lots of people also complain about it because it's so "informal" and "not an adequate means of communication". Which, in my view, is the same illusion as the "a relationship isn't mature if there aren't actual dates" mentality; I know someone who was very exclusive, close to being engaged, and broke up with her boyfriend because he texted her instead of calling her to ask how her day was.

It's exactly what you say that we're bound by the social structures; and even if we don't personally subscribe to them, it's exceedingly likely that a potential partner would.

[0+] Author Profile Page Athenia replied to MiddleageLiberal :

I still think traditional ideas of dating are in college kids heads....and traditional dating is hard in a college environment because, IMO:

1) Guys still want to pay for the date. But they have no money.
2) Why go on a "date" when you already "hang out"?
2b) And if you're already "hanging out" with a lot of people, why "commit" when there are so many options?
3) If you guys are studious students, where do you find the time?
4) And...who knows where you'll be in a few months?

I think I might understand where the desire for "dating" comes from.

Let's say we define "date" as an event where two people who are romantically interested in each other go out to do something together (movie/dinner/museum/picnic/amusement park, etc).
I think some girls (and maybe boys too) want to go on dates with people rather than just having hook-ups.
Unfortunately, girls are under a lot of pressure to please guys and base their worth on how much guys like them. I think they learn pretty young that being sexually available gets positive attention from guys. It may not be respect or love, but it's a certain kind of approval.
So whether or not they truly want to (and some DO!), many will go along with the so-called hook-up culture because they'd rather do that than be lonely or ignored.
I believe it probably IS very unsatisfying for many girls, but since that's the only option available to them (to be with guys) they do it anyway.
I can see why they'd rather be asked out by a guy in history class (or vise versa), go to a museum, have dinner, kiss, go out again, repeat, until they decide to have sex or become "an item," whichever comes first. Girls may feel wanted for more than their bodies that way, y'know?

[0+] Author Profile Page MiddleageLiberal replied to SarahMC :

Sarah (if you're still reading),
Yeah, it's not hard to believe that a dating culture is preferable.

The mystery is that if so many women really do prefer dating, why isn't it happening more? It's not that all college men are selfish dolts. I venture to say most men calculate a large portion of their self worth on how well women like them.

[0+] Author Profile Page Caton replied to susanawalsh :

" During hookups, guys have orgasms 44% of the time. Girls have orgasms 19% of the time."

Wow. I'm not surprised at the low orgasm rate for girls - I think it's pretty common for women to have a difficult time reaching orgasm with a stranger (I never could). But 56% of men having hook up sex aren't orgasming? That surprises me.

well, bear in mind that 1) a lot of guys are really drunk when they're hooking up, and 2) hookup is really a vague term. it's not just sex, it's used for anything from making out through full on intercourse, so that statistic is kind of complicated.

Hooking up works for some young women, but many are dissatisfied with the script.

What script? *confused*

[0+] Author Profile Page brista replied to idiolect :

PERSON 1: Do you wanna.....

PERSON 2: Okay.

***PERSON 1 and PERSON 2 commence with the doing it.***

Ha! Well, that always seems to work alright for me ;)

[0+] Author Profile Page Athenia replied to brista :

I think the problem is with the script as well.

I just wish boys would be like, "Hey, do you want to have non-committal sex?"

And then, I could be like, "No!" or "Yes!"

But no, they just can't say they only want the sex...

[0+] Author Profile Page Athenia replied to brista :

I think the problem is with the script as well.

I just wish boys would be like, "Hey, do you want to have non-committal sex?"

And then, I could be like, "No!" or "Yes!"

But no, they just can't say they only want the sex...

[0+] Author Profile Page Tsunade replied to susanawalsh :

• 73% of girls wish dating were more common.
How do you get that statistic?
"Do you wish dating were more common?"
What counts as a yes?
"Yeah, getting more dates would be nice?"
"Uh, I guess?"
"Does 'hooking up' count as a date? if so, fuck yeah!"

lol.
Meh. I like sex, and I like beer. Both, in reasonable amounts, are more fun together and no fun in excess.

[0+] Author Profile Page gothchiq replied to susanawalsh :

Wow, that's a really low orgasm ratio for everyone! :( why bother?

49% of students who had intercourse during a hookup never saw the other person again.

Like in those stories where you go to a store, and buy a mummified monkey's paw, and then when you go back to return it, the store is gone?

Yeah, maybe dealing with the abuse of alcohol or, you know, trying to change the culture so that women (and men) don't feel like they HAVE to engage in anything sexual that they don't want to. But then these people would be feminists already!

I expanded my comment into a post at my new project, the Yes Means Yes Blog. The blog is an outgrowth of the new book that Jaclyn Friedman and Jessica Valenti edited, Yes Means Yes, which is on store shelves in five ... four ... three ... two ... I have an essay in it, and the other contributors amaze and impress me.

[0+] Author Profile Page Dear Audrey said:

Looks like porny voyeurism in the guise of 'looking at the issues' *eye roll*

[0+] Author Profile Page Ariane said:

I often have to restrain myself from responding to things like this with sarcastic commentary about how "hooking up" is clearly the end of the world.

How about let's talk about, yeah, the role alcohol plays in all of this. I drank only rarely in college (I graduated in May), imbibing a drink or two in the company of close friends.

Yet around me, women and men alike downed hard liquor and mixed drinks until they were plastered and could barely remember anything - including being helped into pajamas and then into bed by one's roommate.

So let's, as a society, talk about encouraging the responsible consumption of alcohol and discouraging binge drinking in college students. This is a factor in the "hook up" culture that cannot be ignored, yet there is ever so much hand-wringing about female sexual behavior and how young ladies "really" want to date/have a relationship.

[0+] Author Profile Page Lexicon said:

I'm honestly find it obnoxious that this segment of college students is so often used to represent us all. There are plenty of us who have different sexual patterns, and different ways of spending our time.

Personally, I don't care for hook up culture but people can do whatever they like as long as aren't compromising themselves. My personal opinion? I think a body and person is more valuable than experiencing briefly during a drunken haze, and I also know a lot of women feel pressure to go along with a culture that values them as sexual opportunities above anything else. Which prioritizes the male gaze and sexual needs. I think the cultural accepted habit of liquoring girls up until one can sleep with them is an unfortunate facet of this culture.

However, again, this hardly represents all young people and their sexual / passtime experiences. I have had amazing, non-committal sexual experiences, heteronormative and not. I'd be more interested in seeing a film about all the different ways people express themselves sexually, and how it relates to the rest of their life and viewpoints.

And I agree... this film should perhaps have been more focused on the elements that make up this culture, including but not limited to alcohol. Try... media?

[0+] Author Profile Page coldvoltage said:

i know that i'm in the minority here, but i quite enjoyed the time when i was "hooking up" (how i hate that term). i think it was because i assumed that since myself and the other person involved were looking for something purely sexual, i always made certain that my needs were taken care of, regardless of what my partner thought we should do. i think that the problem is not with the "promiscuous" sexual activity, but more with the socialization of girls to feel that for some reason, a man's desire for orgasm is more urgent than her own, and the socialization of boys to believe that women don't have a "real," valid sex drive. i definitely do find that my friends in college have bad sex, both sober and not, and it seems to be more an issue of many college age men still not understanding women's bodies, or acknowledging that women enjoy sex and aren't using it as some kind of weapon or enticement for a relationship. i don't think that the sexual activities of college students need to be as pathologized as the media seems to believe. we're adults, we're responsible for our own decisions, and it's no one's business how women (or men) are conducting themselves sexually. i chalk up the media focus (not the feministing focus, obviously) on women's sexual activity to the perverse desire to control women's sexuality that has existed in most patriarchal cultures.

[0+] Author Profile Page Lexicon said:

coldvoltage-
you made me wish the film was, rather than potentially about controlling women, about how to arrive at a hook-up culture that acknowledges and meets the sexual needs of women :).

[0+] Author Profile Page HillGirl said:

I just graduated in May and some of the clips made me miss being an undergraduate. Anyway, I really do think its just trying again to convince women that they don't enjoy sex and even drinking to an extent. Especially if the IWF is endorsing it.

After thinking about this for a while, I've come up with a few questions: What do we think of, really, when we say "hook-up"? (And of course, then, what is a "hook-up culture" anyway?) I think that at least some significant amount of people use it to mean something more than any kind of casual and/or spontaneous sex. At the very least, there seems to be this association with drinking -- an association so strong that I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people think of being drunk almost immediately when they hear "hook-up." As Jessica said in the OP, maybe it's the drinking -- not the sex -- that is creating problems for people.

But on a somewhat different (although surely related somehow) note, I think there's sort of a residue of traditional, heteronormative images of male/female sexuality surrounding people's notions of what "hooking up" means or even maybe what some people actually do when they "hook up" -- the man has a certain goal he has to strategize towards, the woman gets to decide whether or not to "give in" or some such, so on and so forth. Or at the very least, the very phrase "spitting game" weirds me out -- as if the only way for people to have sex outside of the traditional committed monogamous relationship is for them to, like, bullshit really well. I mean, no wonder people might be feeling disillusioned, no wonder people aren't having orgasms! If you're in bed with someone through a strategic series of lies, of course it's not going to be very good.

I don't really understand why there doesn't seem to be a notion floating around out there of even the very possibility of having a healthy sex life that includes the spontaneous and the casual. The best we seem to be able to do as a culture is to think that such things are mistakes, the kind of indulgences in temptation that make us human. I mean, why must "no strings attached" always mean "no emotions involved whatsoever" in people's minds? From personal experience, I believe it is quite possible to have something fun and spontaneous and casual with someone as one real human being to another, without lies and without ludicrous posturing at being too cool for emotions or whatever. I don't know how to describe this kind of thing, though, because that doesn't seem to be what people mean when they say "hook-up."

Full disclosure: Pretty much all of my serious relationships have begun with what some would call a "hook-up," although not one in which either of us were specifically looking for a relationship -- you know, it just sort of happened. Also, FWIW, I can't think of the last time I ever slept with someone new while drunk.

"I don't really understand why there doesn't seem to be a notion floating around out there of even the very possibility of having a healthy sex life that includes the spontaneous and the casual."

Absolutely. For some of us, at least, there can be casual sex with friends of acquaintances, or even strangers, that is mutual and respectful. While I've never done the true anonymous sex thing (and never wanted to), I've had plenty of one-time advantures with folks I knew. For the most part, those were great!

But for that to work well between men and women, we have to move away from a model where women are gatekeepers and men are pursuers, to one where both participants want to do something together that is mutually fun.

But for that to work well between men and women, we have to move away from a model where women are gatekeepers and men are pursuers, to one where both participants want to do something together that is mutually fun.

Agreed, absolutely. I think this (plus attending to all the issues associated with drinking) is really the way to go about resolving what is really at the heart of what people don't like about "hookup culture," and more generally, what has been giving sex a bad name...

As the provider of the hooking up stats, I'd like to clarify a couple o things about hooking up:
1. Shock: Cosmopolitan provides the statistic that 73% of girls wish dating were more common, based on their own survey of college girls. What is significant about this is that Cosmopolitan has a lot riding on the hookup culture, and has traditionally been loathe to acknowledge its downside. In their Oct. 2008 issue they included a piece on how it makes many young women miserable.
2. What's changed from previous generations is this: the supply and demand ratio. Today, men demand a lot of casual sex and women provide it. Traditional dating served as a way for women to "try out" different guys, and guys knew that had to provide romance and courtship to get sex. Today, they provide nothing to get sex, and women only get to try out different guys in the sack. When the sexual revolution changed the rules, men couldn't believe their good luck! Free love! That's fine if women are happy with the status quo today. Some are, many aren't. I wish there were more options for women who would rather have sex in a relationship.

Women should feel free to choose casual hookups, but not pressured to do so. On most college campuses, it really is the only path to a relationship, so women hook up because it is still their best hope for a real connection.

Susan Walsh
www.HookingUpSmart.com

Today, men demand a lot of casual sex and women provide it.


Eeek, *flinch* See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't think this is really true, or at least, I think it's kind of a terrible way to characterize what is going on. This still holds to a view of sex as a commodity, a product, and my body is just one place of many where men can go to "buy" the "product." I wish there were more options too and that the whole big mess of romantic/sexual interaction was easier and clearer for everyone, but I think one of the things that will help will be a movement towards a view of sex not as a commodity but as something more like a creative collaboration, an art, or even a sacred ritual if you like, where we do something and make something new together, rather than simply this taking of the mere use of my body for this "product."

Ideolect, I love the way you phrased it. (My Yes Means Yes essay is all about sex as commodity and how performance is a better model.)

Susan, what you've written here smacks to me of a very gender-essentialist view. I've heard "women want love, men want sex" before. Like the most pernicious stereotypes, there's a kernel of truth in it, but the stereotype whitewashes all the complexity inherent in the human condition.

In fact, as I think you acknowledge, women want sex, too. So why are they getting drunk to have it, instead looking for partners when they are sober and making sound decisions? Do you disagree with many of us here who think that the bulk of the problems with the "hookup culture" are really problems with the binge drinking culture?

1) In addition to, or instead of hooking up? The way you phrase it sounds awfully dodgy to me. There's a big difference between "I am perfectly happy having casual sex/makeouts, but I would like to go to a movie once in a while" and "I wish I weren't having so much casual sex, I wish I could just go to a movie instead" - the first is only a problem if you consider women's sexual activity to be a problem in itself.

2) You don't think framing sex as a supply-and-demand issue, where only men want it and only women provide it, is a little, I don't know, skeevy as hell?

2a) What makes you think this is anything new? My mother reports the exact same thing happening in her college years in the 70s. How is your sex panic any different from the sex panics of previous generations? I mean, it'd at least be novel if you freaked out about what all this casual sex is doing to young men.

2b) I don't find it all shocking that most people don't form lasting relationships in college. This is because college is not exactly the be-all and end-all of one's romantic life. If anything, I'd imagine most people are better off saving the serious stuff for when they are a bit older.

The only Black guy in that trailer didn't speak. Sorry, but I just like to play "spot the Black person" in documentary trailers.


I'm not a drinker. I might have had one drink since turning 21 three years ago. I lived with a lot of young women during college who went more than once a week to get drunk, and that sort of turned me off to alcohol. I guess they thought they and their friends were so boring that they had to get drunk to have fun together. Pretty sad.

I agree that alcohol is a big part of the problem, but it's important to note that the causality runs both ways here. It's not just that people are engaging in stupid hookups, or that their hookups become problematic, because they're drunk. At least in my college experience, a lot of people chose to abuse alcohol in order to participate in the sexual culture of my campus: Guys felt they needed the liquid courage to approach girls and be the kind of pushy jerks their brothers (and a lot of girls) expected them to be in order to get laid. Some girls drank to excess because it gave them the "excuse" they needed to engage in sexual activities ("I'm not really a slut, but sometimes I get drunk and--ooops!"). Other girls I knew drank to dull themselves emotionally to take part in sexual activities they didn't particularly want or enjoy but that they were under pressure to do to maintain their place in the social pecking order.

Obviously, some people enjoy casual sex and that's their prerogative. But living in a culture in which you're expected to engage in casual sex, to use sex as a tool to prove your social worth (either by sleeping with as many women as possible or by providing "favors" to high status guys), and where there aren't other viable models of sexual or romantic fulfillment, is not healthy either.

Absolutely, I think the causation works both ways. As long as we have a culture of slut-shaming, some women will reconsile what they want with what they are told to want by getting drunk and using it as an excuse. And as long as we tell men to be predatory, some will use alcohol to dull their conscience.

The causation works both ways, and reducing the alcohol abuse is not a complete solution for a healthy sexual culture. Rather, that's a first step; and then we'll all have to learn to ask for what we want sober.

[0+] Author Profile Page FGJ said:
Perhaps the real problem on college campuses isn't that kids are having sex, but that they're having it drunk. Just a thought.
Nail. On. Head
[0+] Author Profile Page alixana said:

The statistic about women wishing there was more dating might be just wishing for an alternative to the relationship/hookup ends of the spectrum. It's not that dating is something specifically desirable to women, but they (and I suspect men too, if asked) would like at least another option. There were plenty of guys in college that I would have liked to get to know better, but didn't want to sleep with (yet) or immediately make my boyfriend. "Dating" is hard on a college campus because being together is usually something like hanging out in someone's dorm room, going to the campus cafeterias together...and with everyone living so close together so it's really easy to be together all the time, and with everyone's nose in everyone's business, it's just really a strange sort of atmosphere for a nonsexual, laidback getting-to-know-you-without-any-strings-attached sort of thing.

[0+] Author Profile Page Lakei said:

Huh. I can think of some GUYS (multiple, see?) who would be okay with just making out and taking a girl home the next morning...or even that night. Some people just can't use their imagination (wonderful thing that it is) to find that WOW, some people AREN'T bastards who want into everyone's pants (someone's, but not everyone's).

[0+] Author Profile Page emmakitty said:

"Sex is like a drug in college." WTF?

Did you hear about Mary? Yeah, she died from a sex overdose.

What about all the completely normal, healthy people who are hooking up or having sex on a regular basis? That's what always bothers me about these types of things: no one talks about the people who aren't all messed up because they have sex.

[0+] Author Profile Page pantsoff said:

So I was interviewed several times for this documentary, I actually threw one of the parties where a lot of the footage came from.

I was interviewed with my fiancee, we "hooked up" and then dated, got engaged, etc. We talked a lot in our interview about the role alcohol plays, the role drugs, etc. We talked about everything that plays out in a situation where you have meaningless sex. We talked about how hookin up became a relationship. I also believe and hope since my face is in the damn thing, that the impression that the filmmaker gave me; that it would be more about what in college influences the culture, rather than about the sex and sex only, etc, will be a strong part of it. From what I know of what was shot and how our interviews went I think the trailer is a bad representation of what the doc could be about, but I haven't seen it yet, so I have no idea.

I know personally I spoke strongly about life experiences that influenced the stage in my life where the culture was prominent. I also spoke strongly about what society has done to encourage the culture, especially in the US because of the lack of sex ed and resources readily available to young kids before they get to college. I hope all of THAT got in there, because that is what I think it's really about.


It's not the college hookup culture, its really the sexual culture of this country because of our society.

But the trailer does look very preachy, but when I spoke to the filmmaker recently, it didn't seem like the final product was anything like the trailer. We'll see.

[0+] Author Profile Page filmchik1 said:

Hey All,

"The Filmmaker" here. What "Pantsoff" says about the overall focus of the documentary is true. I covered the heterosexual college hook up culture very comprehensively and did not leave any stones unturned. So, college students, and colleges, and parents responsibility were all covered. I documented it as it came to me. So, YES,there are comments about "Sluts" and "Cum-Dumpsters" in it and yes, there are "Frats Boys" talkin some REALLY bad shit and making themselves look bad. Are there students in it that don't seem to have a clue? YES, there are, and parents too. There are also experts talking reality about alcohol abuse, sexual assault, and consent issues. Call it preachy if you want. But, facts are facts. Including the fact that "there are so many horrible things that can come out of one drunken night of meaningless sex."

[0+] Author Profile Page filmchik1 said:

P.S. I am really glad that everyone is sharing opinions.The main intention of my doc. was to open a dialgoue about the pros and cons of "hooking up in college."

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