Olbermann calls out support for Prop 8 and it is damn good. Watch it.
Full transcript here.
I love the statement he is saying about spreading love in a time when it is difficult to love. Although, for me the jury is still out about love *having* to be sanctified by the government, I do think the homophobia shown around the support of Prop 8 is deplorable and frankly-scary. I suppose I could get behind an abolish marriage amendment (as many of my radical gay friends keep saying they would be in support of), but in the meantime, OF COURSE, gay people should be given the right to marry. What is wrong with people?
UPDATE: Silly me, casswhitting on the community site was already on this!
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I watched this last night. He looks so emotional, and this is absolutely amazing and so true. It's unfortunate that probably the only people who saw this or agree with him already thought this before he said it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVUecPhQPqY
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So, I don't know about anyone else, but the video for me was only "worst persons" and not Olbermann's amazing special comment. I went to msnbc.com and watched it though, and I actually cried. I love Keith, but he normally just makes me laugh or cringe, not cry. This was amazing.
Here's a link to the actual video for anyone else who only got Bill-o worst persons.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27652443
Wow...
Thank you Mr. Olberman.
That was a touching argument.
I read the transcript, but it does seem that video is unrelated.
But yeah, truly amazing. Too bad he is most likely preaching to the converted.
Samhita, I don't know what you mean by "abolish marriage" and I feel like I've heard that before, so I hope you can explain. Do you really mean legal abolishment? Why is that desirable?
Because when I think about legal marriage (as opposed to religious marriage or cultural marriage) I think of something that's a pretty useful tool for defining a set of legal relationships to another person. Legal marriage gives us a shorthand for the laws of intestate succession (what happens to your stuff if you die without a will), medical and legal power of attorney, parental decisions, parental identity (most states presume that absent bio identity, the father is the husband of the mother--without marriage men would need paternity testing to get identified as a father and ensure their parental rights and responsibilities), and eligibility for certain sorts of survivor benefits, just to name a few things. We could abolish marriage and replace it with something that does all the same things, which seems to me like a waste of time since the change would be wholly semantic, or we could abolish marriage and replace it with nothing, which would make things really unpleasantly and unnecessarily complicated and expensive for a whole lotta people. I just don't understand what could be gained by abolishing marriage.
I am certainly all in favor of greatly expanding the circle in terms of who is able to marry. Same sex couples obviously ought to be able to marry. I don't see anything wrong with platonic friends marrying, either. But if you look at marriage as primarily legal (which I do, both as a lawyer and as a soon-to-be married person--my upcoming legal marriage will be separate from my religious marriage, which is important to me for other reasons and to my mind serves a very different purpose), I think it's quite useful and in fact quite a clever shorthand for a set of legal obligations and privileges that create family stability.
I suppose you or someone else could argue that we shouldn't be privileging family at the expense of some other community form like an intentional community, but that's such a utopian ideal I see it as more a philosophical argument than a political one.
Anyway, I know it's a little offtopic (and the Olbermann bit was very sweet, as aggravating and pompous as I usually find him) but I am very interested in your POV on this.
'Abolish marriage' is bullshit. I'm all for people deciding it's not for them and looking critically at the institution as well as creating an environment where people feel they can choose whatever, but that's like telling people they aren't allowed to see marriage as meaningful for whatever reason - or that if they can see themselves getting married, they somehow aren't progressive.
It pretty much breaks my heart in half when he so thoroughly explained that he is not gay and that it's not about him. I understand why... but he's my secret newscaster boyfriend.
I do still appreciate so much that he made a statement like this, looking at intersecting oppressions and how we all need to invest ourselves in the injustices that we face and the injustices of others. Though I could never see myself getting married, despite my right to (at this point, lord knows what Harper has planned for us Canadian Queers) I think it is important for those who want to enter this flawed institution and that equal marriage will one day be an important step forward for the LGBTTIQQ people of the US.
It's only Olbermann's 'Worst Persons' for me, I had to look up the real video here.
Powerful stuff.
it was a beautiful argument. I hope that his show reaches more than just the coverted as we know many democrats must have also voted in this aweful proposition. no to h8.
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Here such here argument. And the mister the president of America very much even anything the man. At least it is better than previous...
Not to nitpick, but... it's his support against Prop 8? I think it's an important distinction to make.
I think Samhita means that Olbermann is "calling out" the people who do support it.
The US Libertarian Party basically is for getting rid of government regulation of marriage. This is one of the reasons why I like them. Basically they're liberal on social issues, but conservative on fiscal issues. Their chances of winning the US Presidency are mightly slim, but still, I love their ideas.
Their platform states:
Of course like any political party not everyone believes the same thing. Their elected candidate for the 2008 Presidential Election was Bob Barr, who from what I can tell is as far away from the Libertarian party as you can get. In fact he's more Conservative than McCain is when it comes to Libertarian social issues.
Many people complain about Olberman, implying that he's somehow an "O'Reilly for the left". I generally don't mind blowhards, but I do mind if they're idiots. That's the big difference between O'Reilly (or Limbaugh) and Olberman, the man is incredibly intelligent.
I don't mind at all when really, really smart republicans make intelligent points on important issues, even if I disagree with them on almost everything. People can disagree, but the important part is that there is some sort of intellectual honesty behind it. Olberman is like that.
And, oh yeah, I'm totally weeping right now.
Well said, Brad. This stance is one of the reasons why I voted Libertarian. (Even though I knew Bob Barr didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning). Gotta go with what you believe in, right? P.S. Glad that Obama spanked McCain's ass in the election, you can be sure.
I started crying watching this. I'm a resident of California and was devastated that Prop 8 passed. I hope that it gets overturned by the courts.
Here is an interesting article from the L.A. Times written by a black lesbian about why the No on Prop 8 campaign didn't win support from the black community:
No-on-8's white bias
I tested the link and it didn't work. Here is the url: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-cannick8-2008nov08,0,3295255.story
That was outstanding.
huh, I had 2 thoughts.
One: that yes, it was a pretty and eloquent statement.
Two: huh... some people sure are idealistic about relationships and marriage *scratch head, look quizacle, shrug*
Being idealistic isn't always a bad thing like some people think. But like you said, Olberman does think like this most of the time.
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Wow. I think I have a crush on Olberman.
That was AMAZING! I am moved.
Thank you for posting this. K.O. forcefully drove the point home. What an impassioned expression of what is really at the core of this issue : Love.
Now that I've commented on K.Os courageousness... Related and in reference to Theresa's link regarding African Americans and Prop 8, I'll add a link in which the article referenced by Theresa is examined ever further :
http://www.afterellen.com/node/40043
I'm so glad he made this argument in a venue like that (so that we can now easily pass the clip around to friends and those who might need to hear it). I remember tearily making basically the same argument to my then-anti-gay-marriage father almost ten years ago.
Even though it's already been said, what a simple yet powerful message.
Keith Olberman (whom else to choose in antipodes to Glenn Beck?) sometime compared seriously right to nazis? On a political Olympus it certainly leader, but what for such bragging...
I have read the transcript. It is really awesome.I got more from this.I remember tearily making basically the same argument to my then-anti-gay-marriage father almost ten years ago.Thanks for sharing.
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This is really good post.Here is an interesting article from the L.A. Times written by a black lesbian about why the No on Prop 8 campaign didn't win support.
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Of course like any political party not everyone believes the same thing. Their elected candidate for the 2008 Presidential Election was Bob Barr, who from what I can tell is as far away from the Libertarian party as you can get. In fact he's more Conservative than McCain is when it comes to Libertarian social issues.
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I remember tearily making basically the same argument to my then-anti-gay-marriage father almost ten years ago...I don't see anything wrong with platonic friends marrying, either..
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Recently I watched a film "Sappho", downloaded it at the torrents files search engine http://www.picktorrent.com . I really believe that real homolove, if I may say so, can exist. Why not to give an opportunity for such people to have the same benefits as ordinary people have.So, I completly support Keith Olberman's views!
I don't know if people quite understand that they're stating that they think they have the right to say who can and can't get married.
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Olbermann spent the first twenty years of his career in sports journalism. He was a sports correspondent for CNN.. that's why he can convey his message powerfully...
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Yes, gay people do deserve the right to get married just like a man and a woman, no doubt about that. But too many people think the other way around like my brother.
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