Anti-feminists never cease to amaze
Leah, a blogger at the college anti-feminist organization the Network of Enlightened Women, has the following gem of wisdom to share about Obama's win:
This certainly is a historic night and only time will tell if this is to be a historic night for change a new generation has been hoping for or a night of change the founders feared hundreds of years ago.
Um, for serious? That is fucked.
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while fucked up indeed, i take comfort (and a couple of lols) in her hilariously incoherent syntax.
I must be missing something. In my experience, whenever someone invokes the 'Founding Fathers' it's a commentary on the size/power/reach of the government. I just assumed it was a dig at this new wave of Democratic politics... Maybe that's just me.
Emily, I thought maybe it was something like that too so I sent it around to some friends - they saw they same fuckedness that I did. I don't know...in any case it leaves me with a bad taste.
I... uh... don't get it. I mean, yeah, I had to read it several times to actually understand what she was trying to say but... uh... how could this be the "change that our founders feared"? I don't get it. I really really don't. I'm pretty sure that if you grab any of the founders (other than Patrick Henry and a couple of other zealots) and plopped them down in front of Obama's speech the other night -- or ANY of his speeches, or a mash-up of footage from the campaign -- they would be impressed with the longevity of their message.
They could never have imagined Obama, so how could they have feared him?
Change that our founders feared? So...England is trying to make us into their colony again, then? OMG, Obama's a Tory!
Do check out the poll results. B-)
There’s a definite string of asshole racism in there. First of all, she’s proven her bigotry by being anti-feminist. So, am I’m supposed to give her the benefit of doubt when it comes to other forms of bigotry---like racism? Heh, NO WAY! Plus, the founding fathers were racist. If she doesn’t want people to think racism when they read her crap, then she has to state her thoughts more clearly.
WTH is she even trying to say? Gold star for incoherency.
But is she trying to pull the "Be afraid of Government overstepping its bounds" - in which case, where in the name of Hell has she BEEN for the past eight years? - or is she trying to pull the "Be afraid of the Scary Black Dude"? I can't even tell.
Don't mess up, Obama. Don't mess up.
Someone get a screenshot, I think they just erased comments and locked the page.....
It's gone. I posted a "polite" request that she clarify what the hell she meant, and a few minutes later the posting disappeared entirely. lol
The only thing more pathetic than a racist is a racist that likes to toss out offensive statements and then run and hide.
Annnnnd its GONE! Surprise! Nothing like trying to hide racism by deleting it online, but keeping the fire alive inside!!
Perhaps she was talking about how Obama threatens the separation of church and state the founders fought so hard against? [/sarcasm]
These kinds of arguments to the authority of the founding fathers are always so bizarre. I really wish these folks would actually read some legitimate historical accounts of the early United States to get some sense of 1)the rather marked diversity of viewpoints to which the founders ascribed and 2)the often contradictory and sometimes reprehensible nature of some of those views (when judged by present political and ethical standards). I have tremendous respect for the accomplishment that is the United States Constitution but its framers were (like politicians today) both fallible and bound by the prejudices and constraints of their historical moment.
So even if the statement here were clarified to avoid the possibility for an inference of racist thought, it would not make the question (or its answers) any more meaningful for Americans today.
OKAY that's effed up, but what about a couple entries down when they say:
"Remember when you had to be a land owner to vote? Now, in Ohio you just have to be aware of a park bench to register to vote. Honestly, I am shocked."
As a woman, I am very aware that the right to vote has not always been equally extended, and voting laws have needed some work. But, let's be honest, is universal suffrage the ideal? The Federalists didn't think so, and I suggest we reexamine our assumptions about voting, especially in this time when it is so relevant. "
I don't think there's any question what they mean by that.
This is a heinous viewpoint.
Reminds me of a woman I heard on C-Span a few weeks ago: self-identified White from Maryland but wouldn't name who she was voting for.
She said, "I'm really concerned that the meaning of voting is being lost. I drive past the voter registration offices and early polling and see people signing up to vote in droves, people who don't even know any of the issues, UNEDUCATED people, people who are not intelligent, people who are just voting because of whatever PRIVATE REASON they have to vote. And it scares me, it disturbs me that our elections will be decided by people with such low intelligence and education who are voting for WHATEVER PERSONAL REASON they have."
Hmmm. Who do you think she was talking about? Just take a wild guess.
Oh, and intelligence and education litmus tests are just as heinous as land ownership ones.
Sickening.
Wow, she discerned all that by seeing them as she drove by? I think we have a name for coming to insulting conclusion about people based on some obvious physical trait.. can't.. quite... remember it...
Maybe they were all wearing their "I is a high-skool dropout" t-shirt...
She is not wrong, that many of America's founders were anti-democratic and wanted to limit the vote. Even then, the majority was poor, so majority rule was not attractive to the wealthy and powerful men who put the American legal system together. Of course, that's not even counting the part of the majority not defined as full humans or as citizens.
But of course she is wrong wrong wrong that we should be upset that we are more democratic now.
Damn, they took it down.
My name is Leah too. Now I feel rotten.
Good grief though, I despise it when someone like that invokes God/Founding Fathers/Flying Spaghetti Monster to push their own horrible selfish agenda.
LOL. I don't even know what that says.
I hear people sentimentally refer to "The Founders' Wisdom" on a lot of issues, but never yet have I seen someone intentionally include racism in that wisdom.
She was probably actually meaning to make some crack about him being a "socialist." But it comes off racially weird, yes.
I guess she also doesn't mind that "TEH FOUNDERZ" would have "feared" a woman sitting in front of a computer screen, typing her thoughts on political issues and expressing herself freely, and publishing her writing on the Internet to be read by everybody.
I think it's a big jump to say that that's a racist comment.
I would prefer to see a more skeptical, wait-and-see attitude about Obama's presidency. I think that's the way a thinking, democratic public should approach the prospect of ANY president-elect. So I can relate to the sentiment.
That said, their blog is clearly anti-feminist and reproachable in several respects.
Haha. I like how we get -1's for expressing rational opinions that just differ from what a random poster thinks.
We also get minus one for complaining about it.
Wow, Eileen.
OK then, to clarify, when a male commenter comes on a feminist site to drop knowledge and let the little ladies know they're not being "rational" his comment is not likely to be highly valued. Get it?
"I think it's a big jump to say that that's a racist comment.
I would prefer to see a more skeptical, wait-and-see attitude about Obama's presidency. I think that's the way a thinking, democratic public should approach the prospect of ANY president-elect. So I can relate to the sentiment.
That said, their blog is clearly anti-feminist and reproachable in several respects."
I agree with Alan. I thought it was a rather big jump to conclude racism. Given the nature of the blog in question I think it's easy to assume the worst. I think it's another jump to assume the blogger acknowledged racism by taking the post down.
I always find 'the founding fathers are rolling in their graves/would be horrified'-type comments really hilarious. Yeah, most of them wouldn't approve of the whole Obama presidency simply because black people were essentially considered livestock at that time. A lot of them would probably be pretty damn horrified by a lady with political opinions. Good thing they definitely wouldn't know how to operate a computer.
The founding fathers REALLY feared change. That's why they broke away from their King and country and formed a brand new democratic republic the likes of which no one had ever seen before. Ack! CHANGE!
CHANGE!!!!!
CHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEE!
I don't remember the conservative reaction to Bill Cinton's election so I'm wondering just how that might differ to their reaction to Obama. It seems like many are to the extreme and I often see posters advocating buying more guns for when Obama's marxist army comes to force them to do service work at the nearest soup kitchen. I am wondering if this was the same reaction Bill Clinton received or if the fear of the "other" has ramped it up a notch.
Anyone remember?
Well I'm sad that she shares my first name