They keep saying how abortion is serious and permanent. And what- having a baby ISN'T??

It's also interesting that not a single girl who had her baby regretted anything but every single girl who aborted DID regret it?

Sounds balances and scientific to me!

*gag*

I love how under the "Guys" section, they have this list of things not to do...and under that list, they say that they shouldn't tell their girlfriend "It's your decision, not mine."
...if I was ever in that situation, that would have to be one of the MOST supportive things I could hear from the guy! Letting me know that ultimately the decision is only mine...that's what a lot of pregnant girls need to know!

and uuugggghhh...the page about "Abortion Complications - Guys" just makes me want to puke.
Apparently women having abortions will take away from men's "natural" tendencies to be providers, and protectors and blah blah blah

I really dislike this movement that pro-choice means pro-abortion. I know A LOT of women who are pro-choice but would never personally have an abortion, myself included. But I certainly wouldn't want to make that decision for someone else, and I would be very angry if someone made that decision for me!

I have nothing against adoption, being adopted myself. However, they are advocating getting TEENAGERS to adopt a child so they can "grow up." That is incredibly irresponsible. while there are adopted people who don't have these problems, many adopted children have to deal with feelings of intense detachment and identity problems. They are not concerned with the wellbeing of either the adopted or the adopter. This is bad shit.

Can we stay ~stock photos~!! And where are all the babies in the "Girls who parented" section?

Is it just me, or do half of these "stories" seem to imply that these girls (and their boyfriends, apparently) "missed their chance" and now that they've has an abortion they'll never be able to get pregnant again? Someone should mention to them that their uteruses are recycleable.

The guys' "abortion complications" page is a particular gem. See the five P's of male instinct: Pleasure, Procreate, Provide, Protect and Perform! Someone else's abortion apparently cripples his chances of attaining any of them. And good lord, the story from the boy whose girlfriend had an abortion without telling him -- I still have violent emotional reactions. For instance, a television news program recently showed a woman strapped to an operating table awaiting her "procedure." Some ghastly older woman came in and smiled at her a phony "everything will be just fine soon, Deary" smile. In the few seconds it took me to leap out of the chair and turn off the TV I thought, "I'd like to wipe that smile off her face with a baseball bat." Hooray for raising future clinic-bombing psychopaths!

He goes on to say how his trust in women has been shattered by this experience and he's now not sure he'll ever be able to trust a woman enough to get married. Please.

I really enjoy how all of the citations in their Abortion Complications section are over 10 years old; I'm pretty sure that there has been an advance or two in terms of safety since some of these papers were published (ignoring the fact that most of these quotes sound like they would have been pulled from the introduction and are not the focus of said papers). Also, citing Focus on the Family does not count.

The other part I liked was the sidebar trivia that implied if you get an abortion, you might be killing the next Celine Dion! Yowsa - I never realized she had 13 brothers and sisters.

My personal fav is the Ashley from the abortion survivors section. Apparently she is a spoiled loner because her mother aborted her sibling.

Quack, I see that on the right-to-life website. They use a study from 1988 that says an abortion is more painful that a broken bone. Apparently they haven’t realized that in 20 years some medical advancements are made.

Oh god, this website is awful! I went to the "sex is awesome" page, thinking it would be talking about how much better your wedding night will be if you wait. No, it was much worse, all about bad pickup lines and guys who put notches in their bedposts. If I believed that all guys were like the ones in those quotes, I'd have given up and become a nun years ago. It's almost like the pages are the exact opposite of what they claim to be: "sex is awesome" talks about emotional turmoil and STDs, the page about pickup lines is all about ridiculous snappy comebacks like this lovely exchange: "If you get pregnant, I'll marry you." "Why wait. Let's get married now!" And then there's the lovely chart of a committed virgin versus a dirty slut on this page:
http://www.teenbreaks.com/hookingup/sexyesno.cfm
Is it me, or do all of "Rebecca"'s problems stem from crappy social support and a lack of sex ed rather than from her being sexually active?

"Now I look around my school, and I see girls younger than me carrying a child. Why couldn't I do it? Their life is no different than mine. I could have raised a child."

Notice the little jump from seeing them carrying a child to her raising a child?

House with picket fence sold separately.

Ooh, I didn't even notice the page of providers-turned-anti-choice-nuts. Beverly McMillan (reformed feminist alert!) is my favorite, just for referring to the clinic she worked in as an "abortion mill."

The guy below her also nicely reinforces the "Abortion providers are money-grubbing scumbags who will murder your child for fun and profit" meme.

SociologicalMe: Another point re Tammy vs. Rebecca -- apparently if you screw around like Rebecca, that sometimes makes your period come late even if you're not pregnant, while your period always comes right on time if you're a virgin like Tammy. Amazing!

Good point, Chickensh*tEagle! Clearly, good clean virgins NEVER have irregular periods. WTF?

A diamond in the rough.

"Remember, if you're dating someone that's pressuring you to have sex, you're dating the wrong person."

Not terrible advice. But the rest of the site - garbage.

One, I like how they put the really sleazy punk guy on the page about STDs.

Two, I like how all the "real teenagers like you and me" that carried their babies to term all look like their on some early 90s suburban TV set. I like how they all come from two parent homes. I like how they have time to play sports like soccer instead of working some shitty fast food job to help support their baby. I like how every girl I've ever known who got pregnant was just like them. Just like everyone has mind blowing sex on their honeymoon. Just like everyone grows up and gets married and stays together forever.

*Puke*

Perhaps the only demographic that wouldn't notice how fake this site is are 8 year olds, and that's only after they saw the page with Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers.

I can't decide how I feel about this whole site. It's like for every step it takes forward, it's taking two or three back...

Telling kids about virginity--well, hey, thats fine. No one should make the decision for the wrong reason. But staying a virgin because OMG The Jonas Brothers Are Doing That!! is just as bad as sleeping around because someone else you idolize is doing it. I understand that kids need role models, but creating a "counter-culture" of purity to combat a sexualized culture isn't really solving the problems of conformity...

Also, what an interesting array of issues this site addresses! Cutting is an extremely important issue for teens, and I'm glad to see them discuss it, but the facts are skewed (and not cited anywhere, at all, which makes a sociology major want to scream...). "Cutting is the new anorexia"? You can't reduce these two disorders to synonyms just because they hit he same demographics!

Clearly, this site wants to help kids, even if I don't agree with their advice. And clearly, many liberal groups want the same things. Sometimes, at night, I have delightful dreams where groups pool their money together and actually create a page with honest facts about both viewpoints, that actually educate kids who need it...
Then the alarm goes off.

Is it me, or do all of "Rebecca"'s problems stem from crappy social support and a lack of sex ed rather than from her being sexually active?

No, I’m pretty sure it’s all due to her being a dirty, dirty slut. /snark

And, notice how girls having sex are always feeling pressured and wondering if their boyfriends love them (not a single one of them has sex for her own reasons – like enjoyment). And, then when a girl gives into the pressure, she’s a dirty whore that deserves every terrible thing that comes her way – even though she didn’t really want to do it in the first place (supposedly). Besides the obvious damage it does to girls and boys, the “logic” behind that just boggles the mind.

Clearly, this site wants to help kids, even if I don't agree with their advice.

I totally disagree. The goal is not to "help kids," it's to lie to them and shame them into behaving how these people think is "best."

Sarah Smith's story is my favorite: "My mother's choice was my death sentence." She later goes on to say she's forgiven her parents and "the abortionist who killed my twin brother and who almost killed me." If she honestly believed her parents and the "abortionist"—why can't anyone call them doctors?—killed her brother and tried to kill her, why is she so breezy about the whole thing? "Oh, they tried to kill me and they murdered my brother, but it's all good!"

Another gem is Dr. Beverly McMillan stating, "I was not a reluctant participant in abortion. I was a radical feminist." Because only a radical baby-killing feminist could be willing to do such a thing. Of course.

Whoever put this site together is pretty damn dumb, because Tiffany:
http://www.teenbreaks.com/pregnancy/girlswhoparented.cfm?start=45

and Kelly:
http://www.teenbreaks.com/pregnancy/girlswhoparented.cfm?start=43

are pretty obviously the same person.

Nice try spreading lies, though, web creator!

Wow, these people are geniuses! I just happened to notice these dumb-asses stole their website pics from a company that sells books on computer programming. Check out the company's website: www.headfirstlabs.com Servlets & JSP book cover, then check out this link: http://www.teenbreaks.com/cutting/cuttinghome.cfm.

Here is the email I sent to them:

Good Afternoon-

I just wanted to let you know that I happened to come across a website that has seemed to have stolen your pictures. It looks like they took
the image of the person on the cover of the Head First Servlets & JSP book and slapped it onto their website. Also- the website is quite
interesting...it talks about the joys of teen pregnancy with quotes
such as this:

"When I first found out I was pregnant I didn't know what to do, but now I enjoy being a teen mother. I don't go places I used to go anymore; but I am young, smart, and beautiful and spend more time with my son!!! He is my bundle of joy!!!"

I sincerely hope you encourage them to stop using your pictures.

Here is the link to the website:
http://www.teenbreaks.com/cutting/cuttinghome.cfm

I have had three abortions and two children; my abortion experiences were not nearly as gut-wrenching and stressful as my parenting experiences, particularly the first couple of years as a teen mother. The site has links for you to send in your own story, and I'm going to. I'm not a teen anymore, but I think all of us who have something to say should say it. In abundance. Even if there's not a chance in hell of them publishing it.

Speaking of hell, did you notice that there were a lot of girls with prayer hands in the abortion pictures? And also, one of the girls said she lost her soul and another said she knows she's going to hell. This is a horrifying thing to tell a pregnant teenager, the supposed audience of these things.

Why is (almost entirely) everyone in the pictures white?

That is a horrible site. There are so many bothersome and outrageous claims there.

Just one example--they reinforce the disgusting notion that an "impure" (god, I hate it when "purity" is used synonymously with virginity) woman is undesirable:

"It sounds tacky, but I say wait until you're married. I know guys have more respect for virgins."
Sally, 17

"Wait until you're married. Young men today are looking for young women who have not been used, abused, and accused."
Robert, 18

According to "Robert," not only will men spurn you if you've had sex by choice; you better not get raped (I'm assuming that would fall under "abuse") because today's "young men" won't want you.

I cannot believe that site...so counterproductive.

Mocha:

HA! They even have her next to the same car. :)

This site is just the sort of thing that boils my blood, but it feels like there is nothing you can do about it.

My personal answer? Whenever I have kids, I tell them exactly how much bullshit these websites are and hook them up with ACTUAL FACTS. How terrible would that be?!

Wow, "unpregnant"? Seriously? As in, a woman's natural state in pregnant, so when she's not pregnant, she is unpregnant? Unbelievable.

Oh God, this site is insane. I've been there before, and it's all so one-sided, it's mad. Citing sources like Feminists4Life and Focus on the family don't count, as another poster said - I don't even believe things I agree with unless they come from a respected, non-biased source such as Cancer Research or the World Health Organisation, etc. And the awful stock photos, and the fact that EVERY girl who went through with the pregnancy is happy as a clam whilst ALL the girls who aborted were supposedly doing such melodramatic things as screaming 'I'm sorry' repeatedly and are forever scarred. And the 'guys' section about abortion makes me so angry. Once again, from the top: It's Her Decision And No-One Else's.

Well... it's because of us that it's now more acceptable to be a teen mom, but I can't stand being vilified for it! I can't stand that it's acceptable solely for the reason that you've made the brave, brave choice of not having an abortion. The hatred of sex and the "loss of purity" is still clearly there.

Yes, it's important to be pure of mind and spirit! Yes, chastity and fasting in general can play a role, but one does not automatically equal the other.

Now I look around my school, and I see girls younger than me carrying a child. Why couldn't I do it? Their life is no different than mine. I could have raised a child.

Ah, that old guilt trip. I've had many a guilt trip myself along the lines of "I could have done X. I chose not to because I didn't want to... but I technically had the capability to do so, so I'm a very terrible person for not doing X!"

I think it is crazy that they try and make it seem like every girl who has a baby is living the good life after and has no setbacks from this child. I have a friend who decided to have her baby after finding out she was pregnant and as soon as she had the baby her boyfriend all of a sudden didn't love her any more, and she was left with this baby on her own. No one to help her with rent, buying groceriers, anything. She is left to do it all alone, so this web site needs to step back a little and stop being so unrealistic.

I can't even go to the site. I'd probably break my computer.

If, in the future, I wind up raising a boy, I will educate him that this is one of the reasons abstinence is the only 100% safe way to go- that if he can't bear the idea of someone aborting his genetic material, then he better wait until he can really, truly, deeply trust a woman enough to be know she's using the pill or trust her enough to include him in the decision. Until he has a partner he trusts and with whom he feels comfortable making decisions, condoms are pretty much utterly mandatory.

I like how all the girls who got abortions or were sexually abused "started cutting themselves again."

Also, Vivian http://www.teenbreaks.com/abortion/girlswhoaborted.cfm?start=26 is obviously the same person as Jess http://www.teenbreaks.com/abortion/girlswhoaborted.cfm?start=25

Wow, check out the "Life B4 Birth" section. It claims that there is an itty bitty fully formed baby inside of every sperm. Or at least that scientists once believed this and even though it has been disproved it needs to be mentioned.

"For example, did you know that when the first sperm was seen under the microscope, some scientists believed that each sperm contained a perfectly formed baby, that we all descended from our fathers, and that mothers were only incubators for these already formed babies? In fact, some observers even claimed to have seen these complete babies inside the sperm! Those who believed in this were called "homunculists.""

Anyone else read Hallie's story about how even though she was only fifteen having a baby was "the most magical experience" of her life. Far-fetched, right? My highschool has a daycare and i've never heard of a fifteen-year-old loving her child so much. The real nifty part - Hallie was raped!

Why wasn't she given EC? This reminds me of the Anti-Palin add that was posted a few days ago in which a girl on the verge of tears explains how she was raped and the horror she would have been forced to endure if she didn't terminate the pregnency. I don't think that any sane woman would carry their rapist's baby to term.

This sight is so unbelievably fake. It makes it seem as if girls don't even feel pleasure and that all guys are strictly in relationships for sex. i'd be shocked if any of the "testimonies" given were true.

"I am 19, and less than a month ago I did a home pregnancy test on a Wednesday and found out I was pregnant. Thursday I went to the doctor to confirm it, and Friday I had an abortion."

That one is from "Carrie" and if there's anything I learned from "What to Expect When You're Aborting" is that it doesn't go down like that at all.

Well, at first, I was like ... oh, look, there's help and info about cutting. That's good.

Then you get to the "I had an abortion" stories, where several of the girls supposedly wrote, "I killed my baby." Er. Way to guilt women into feeling like murderers when abortion couldn't be further from it. It's all so much about the guilt trip. Can't these groups let the girls think through things without telling them that they're horrible ungrateful scum-bag murderers? I'd probably leave that website wanting to cut myself if I wasn't doing it already.

And why on earth would they write that "you'll probably be expecting support from your boyfriend"? wtf? Part of the reason my best friend had an abortion about a year ago is that her boyfriend was emotionally abusive and she didn't want to subject a kid to a father like that.

Tiffany, you read my mind! I had an abortion, and it was a positive experience for me. I wrote them my story, all the while asking my husband, "What do you want to bet this doesn't get published?!" I can just see them moving my words around and editing my story to make it sound like I committed suicide b/c of my abortion and this is my ghost typing, still wandering the earth b/c of my grief!
Ugh!

http://www.teenbreaks.com/guys/mygfaborted.cfm?start=5

how old is this kid, seven?

I can't get past the moving heads and subheads. Unless the site is entirely flash-based, I do not want moving banners of any kind. We left the 90s behind years ago, anti-choicers. Why don't you join us?

I can't get past the moving heads and subheads. Unless the site is entirely flash-based, I do not want moving banners of any kind. We left the 90s behind years ago, anti-choicers. Why don't you join us?

A WhoIs/Google search shows the woman who owns the site also wrote this creepy thing:

http://www.lifeissues.org/connector/display.asp?page=04july.htm

"Studies Reveal Pro-Life Values Established At Early Age"

It all just seems so predatory.

Mariana's story is my personal fave:

http://www.teenbreaks.com/pregnancy/girlswhoparented.cfm?start=44

I love how they say that all guys with girlfriends who abort will leave anyway but have these supposed heartbreaking stories of guys who feel they have no purpose because their girlfriend aborted.

My personal favourite is "Danny's" story

http://www.teenbreaks.com/guys/mygfaborted.cfm?start=4

dear god.

i tried to leave a comment on their site under thoughts and surprise! it doesn't work.

A WhoIs/Google search shows the woman who owns the site also wrote this creepy thing:

http://www.lifeissues.org/connector/display.asp?page=04july.htm

"Studies Reveal Pro-Life Values Established At Early Age"

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Yeah, and that creepy guy who wrote the article after hers really has some room to discuss this subject too. Wow, this site really makes me want to vomit. All of the teen moms I knew/know are fairly miserable, have taken jobs that they don't want, several are strippers, oh, and the best part is that most of them have said that even though they have their child, they would speak seriously to another girl about making the same decision. I know a few who say that they wonder what their lives would have been like WITHOUT the baby; would they have ever finished High School or have gone to college. Would they be working at the McDonald's/ Pizza Hut/ Drycleaners?

yuk.

Wow. I love how all of the photos of those who gave their kids up for adoption and kept their babies are all happy go lucky, while all the ones who aborted look sad, goth, or depressed. Sheesh.

The rape stories really got to me. They were all so sterotypical. I know these things do happen, but come on. Not everyone who is raped is raped by their mom's boyfriend. In these stories the girls never fight back, they don't scream, they don't resist at all. I can understand freezing up like I did and not being able to fight back, but these stories never go into that. These stories don't talk about these girls calling the police and their attackers going to jail either. Almost like, this is just something girls go through.

This story is pretty creepy:

http://www.teenbreaks.com/guys/mygfaborted.cfm?start=5

This kid is saying that he doesn't understand why this country gives women the right to an abortion IN SPITE of the fact that his girlfriend was raped. I'm just stunned.

Ugh, horrible.

If anyone needs an antidote, girlmom.com is a great site. It is supportive, in a feminist, pro-choice way, of teen sexuality and the choice to parent as a teen (or to terminate a pregnancy as a teen, for that matter.)

Scarlet teen is also a great informative site about sex for teens.

What's with all the "I kept my baby" stories with girls who aren't working or in school? If I read that, I think it would be more incentive to get an abortion.

And I really dislike the way this site (and a lot of fundamentalist Christian literature) portrays guys. Either they're all jerks who want to have sex with you and dump you, or they're so broken by a high-school relationship that they can never be with a woman again (oooh, that's an angle Focus on the Family hasn't hit up yet--if you get an abortion, your boyfriend will be so traumatized he'll become gay).

These sites try to hard to show how trampled the rights of prosepective teenage fathers and their
fetuses are but they never consider the rights of a girl to finish school and have a life.

http://www.teenbreaks.com/guys/mygfaborted.cfm?start=5 And this one made me really mad. I'm all for adoption (the joke in my family is that if you bring someone to dinner, they become a member of the family b/c we pay so little attention to blood ties), but this kid (or their adult ghostwriter; I think most of these stories are made up) is so mad that his girlfriend aborted her rapist's fetus and he keeps calling it "my child".

How about some statistics on the success rate of teen marriage? The likelihood of a teenage mother finishing high school? The expense of raising a child? No? Doesn't fit the dogma? Well OK, then.

Ha! I know it's horrible, but I cannot help but laugh at the hypocricy of the anti-choicers. Their frame of reference changes with the slightest breeze and the only thing that ever holds constant is their contempt for a woman's control over her own reproductive health. I think they need to be more concerned with their own mental health.

http://www.teenbreaks.com/hookingup/sexhimher.cfm

Oh my God, I just landed on this gem: Sex is fun, but only for him, but it makes the relationship way more serious and not fun, but it's great, although you'll feel like a whore, but you'll love your partner forever, but he'll dump you, though you might dump him first, but only if you're disgusted by the sex, which will probably be great, unless it's horrible, and he'll only want to get together when he can have sex with you, but he'll probably think you're dirty and stop returning your calls, because guys are users, unless they're good Christian boys who think they're in love with sluts like you.

Amber, you're right--these folks need some mental health attention.

I wonder if any of these stories are real? One girl claims she delivered at 27 weeks and her baby was 4lbs, 6oz. Uh, yeah, right. I delivered at 36 weeks and my smaller twin was 4lbs, 12oz. A 27 weeker would probably be more around 2lbs.

*nods* I see....my god, what asshats! So in addition to their other grotesque prejudices, they also consider that being gothic makes you abort...or abortion makes your gothic...or either way, it's another item on their checklist of Bad Things to Be.

I got news.

There are lots of goths out there who are parents. Happy parents. And then there are others like me who choose not to have kids and are happy that way. But it's just another part of their baloney, I guess.

Sorry, this is a bit of a digression, but I sort of have an axe to grind. I get tired of seeing pictures of goths and punks getting used to convey "bad" or "immoral" all the time.

You see I see these sites as opportunistic for the adoption industry. I have reviewed this website and the websites of many crisis pregnancy centers across the country.

You have got to follow the money on these things. Right to Life groups sponsor these organizations. They are also connected to big adoption agencies like Bethany. This Care organization is very connected to Bethany. That is their adoption agency recommendation. Its on all of their websites. They do not provide good solid truthful information to women. Keep in mind that the adoption industry is a good thirty billion dollar business. This includes domestic infant, international and foster care adoption.

A woman that considers placement is already a good mother. She could if give resources raise her own child. They don't want that though. I am wondering with Bristol Palin keeping her child doesn't have something to do with this. If they promote teens raising their own children as a ploy to get them not to abort then those girls can be targeted to place their child for adoption.

HI EVERYONE, I'M NEW TO THIS SITE AND I HAD MY DAUGHTER AT 16. I CANT SAY IT WAS THE BEST CHOICE ON MY BEHALF ON COMING OUT PREGNANT. BUT ILOVE MY DAUGHTER AND AT THIS MOMENT I KNOW I WOULDNT WANT TO HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY!

Uhh its not cool to be a teen mom but it can be nice if you are... It all depends on your circumstances, personally i think its too early and that people should experience more of their life before they know how to raise their own kids...

And also all the conditions should be made so that the kids grow up good and fine and not like that some people have kids but the kids are not taught what is good and what is bad so they keep creating problems for themselves and for others because they were not taught of better things etc...

Just my opinion tho :)

If someone is a good mom they can be at anytime as long as they want it and treat their kids nice :)