The desperation is sad and pathetic.

Why is saying stuff like that when it's been proven to be untrue not discouraged? Like, he will probably NOT get called out on it, nationally-speaking.

I think it's interesting that I have heard about the robocalls today in the mainstream news, but only about the call saying that Obama "worked closely with domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers, whose organization bombed the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon, a judge's home, and killed Americans."... But I had not heard anything about this one. At first I thought there was no way this was actually paid for by the McCain campaign... and yet I'm starting to see that he really is willing to say anything at this point. It's sad.

I came across a video about this a few days ago. I really didn't know what to think of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

I'm not going to deny that someone somewhere has survived an abortion. But if abortion is as brutal and painful to the embryo/fetus as the anti-choicers tell us it is, how is it possible to survive an abortion? I mean, that one woman for some 527 ad said that she survived an abortion, but it looked to me like she had all her limbs and other body parts (she would have said if she suffered from any health issues because of the botched abortion).

Unfunny: I think "survived abortion" is a euphemism for "born."

Hey, I'm an abortion survivor too!

As low as that is, does anyone actually listen to those things? I and everyone I know hang up as soon as we hear the automated "Hello!"

I don't think hardcore McCain/Palin supporters even care whether or not their arguments against Obama have any basis in reality, anymore.. I think for many the flustered and weak arguments are simply (very thin) fronts for their racism.

I'm sorry to de-lurk for something so trivial, but could you use a word besides "fat" as a negative.

I'm sorry to de-lurk for something so trivial, but could you use a word besides "fat" as a negative.

Could you possibly use a word besides "fat" as a generic negative? I know it's a common phrase, but still.

There is at least one other ad out there like this besides the abortion and bill ayers one. It's fucking pathetic and desperate and I hope not only does McCain lose but it's in such a landslide the republicans can't even think to cry foul

The only problem is that the fact checkers have said that Obama did vote against medical intervention for babies that survived an abortion. Obama probably is not pro-infanticide but he was willing to tolerate it as a consequence to his pro-abortion philosophy.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_and_infanticide.html

http://whyimnotademocrat.blogspot.com/2008/10/video-defending-unborn-and-exposes.html

ok fine I'll take this one.
Bluecollar:
Obama and many others, including republicans (this bill didn't pass after Obama left the Illinois Senate) voted against this because 1. There was already a federal law in place that required that life saving techniques be given to any viable fetuses that survived Abortion. The law Obama voted on originally did not contain the "viable" tagline which would have meant that any sign of possible life would have required lifesaving methods even if the fetus wasn't viable. This also would have allowed many law suits and allegations of mal-practice towards physicians because without the "viable" arguement anyone one in the room could claim they saw a sign of life and nothing was done. Finally, it was against the doctor's Hipporcratic Oath to not attempt to save the Fetus if it was viable and was not termintated during the abortion procedure. Obama did not stand in the way of anything because there were already protections in place to save those infants that could survive on their own. This was a way to chip away at Roe V. Wade and to set a precedent of giving a non-viable fetus rights

I know this is tangental, but was anyone else excited to hear that Obama asked the Department of Justice to have their special prosecutor investigate "spurious allegations" of voter registration fraud that McCain and the RNC are making. So, he knew they were lying and trying to discourage voter turnout in swing states, and he called them out BEFORE the election.

Anyway, about this robocall, I think it's one of the most ridiculous allegations I've ever heard: "Don't vote for Obama because he wants to kill newborn infants!" If anyone actually listens to this call and is swayed by it, they are an idiot, because of all the reasons that MzBitca said.

Nepenthe,

I'm pretty sure that "fat" in big fat lie is only negative because it means the lie is large. Compare for instance "I bought a big fat tomato.".

Bluecollar:
1. Illinois (not federal, MzBitzca, IIRC) had a law that already took care of that, so the law that Obama voted "present" on was redundant.
2. Obama's on record saying that he didn't vote for the law because it could limit abortion rights. The law that eventually passed at the federal level has a subsection that prevents it from being used to limit abortion rights.
3. Doctors will already provide palliative care to any infant born alive even if it can't survive; the bill would have required extreme measures to keep it alive for a couple more hours in extreme agony, not to save its life.

Rebecca and Miz:

The fact check website proves you wrong. There are problems with his logic as yours. Any Republican who voted with Obama on this ought to be held in equal contempt.

1. Just because a law is on the books does not mean it is being enforced or that further legislation isn't required if such a thing is happening. Imagine this argument against slavery. Well, there are laws on the books against slavery, so to pass another law would just be redundant. My point, you do all you can to make sure this does not happen, not just fake protest at this fact and say one shouldn't try and stop it. At least pass new legislation to stop it and if the courts say it's a bad law, go back and do it again. Don't give up before trying.

2. There were in fact babies left to die who did not recieve medical attention, thus violating their hypcratic oath. Which abortion is a violation of that to begin with. So once it violated, we are now seeing that there might not be a place to which it stops being violated.

3. The very fact of this discussion proves that Obama argued in order to justify his votes against medical care to these babies.

Can one ever justify not doing whatever is needed legislatively to stop infanticide? It seems Obama has done just that, and those who defend his arguments.

1. So enforce the law, instead of passing still more laws that won't be enforced. It's not "whatever is needed legislatively," it's what is needed executively.
2. Not true. You're getting your information from Jill Stanek, a chronic liar who gets off on talking about dead babies.

(The first source you posted is a fact-check organization and is reliable. The second source is not reliable.)

And once again, this infanticide argument is quite simply BS. If a pregnancy is being aborted late enough for the birth to hypothetically be viable, it's because it was a wanted one where a defect incompatible with life was discovered in the fetus. The infant is going to die no matter what care is provided it. Hardly infanticide.

Oh, you had a third point.

3. Doctors will already provide palliative care to any infant born alive even if it can't survive; the bill would have required extreme measures to keep it alive for a couple more hours in extreme agony, not to save its life.

(Yes, I copied and pasted my earlier comment, as it doesn't seem you read it.)

As I already wrote about on here, and elsewhere, this is a gross misrepresentation of the reproductive rights argument in general by focusing on a rare occurrence, and it is not accurate, medically or politically.

The American Academy of Pediatrics does not support this type of resuscitation either. It is inhumane, futile care, babies are already protected if they are viable, and THIS IS NOT THE REALITY OF ABORTION IN THIS COUNTRY!! Why don't we ever talk about low risk first term abortion, which is by far the vast majority of abortions, and stop focusing on these disgusting untrue images of babies dying?

Rebecca, we mustn't expect too much from bluecollar"philosopher". He also didn't understand the term "reductio ad Hitlerum", nor did he check Google before misusing it. A "lover of wisdom" he is not.

Absolutely pathetic that McCain would lie like that. McCain and Palin are the most misogynistic duo ever nominated by a major political party.

This new robocall, I would give it a million Pinocchios. Flat out lie in an effort to cover up McCain's quarter-century Record of Misogyny.

Valerie Capeloto and her husband Rudy Acharya established Planet Hospital after an experience in Thailand taught the couple foreign healthcare could be excellent. Planet Hospital is not a theme park, or a giant medical complex. Planet Hospital is a very real company that focuses on medical tourism. Medical tourism is a term for going overseas for medical procedures for a fraction of their domestic cost. Why get an operation for $50,000 when you can get it for $5,000 a few thousand miles away? The industry of medical tourism is a growing one, since the cost of surgery is becoming far too prohibitive for the average person to consider the normal operations. This makes Planet Hospital an inevitable development.