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Anti-Feminist Mailbag!

Here at Feministing we get our fair share of hate mail. And for whatever reason, the last few weeks have brought in a tidal wave of emails and trollish comments (I'm sure you've noticed). So for your anti-feminist mocking pleasure, here's a recent email we got from jcwhite0825@aol.com, who thinks our coverage of Palin is a clear indication that we're just jealous of her superhotness.

Why are you obsessed with Sarah Palin? Are you jealous of her? Are you pissed that she has accomplished things without whining like a little child? Before you get all upset and call me a right-wing nut, I'm not voting for McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden. They all suck. But, you girls on feministing.com are what I would call stereotypical women. You are jealous, angry, and resentful of women who have success. It's probably because she is hotter than any of you girls on feminsting. And that is at age 44. You girls have no chance of being that hot when you are that age. Oh, before you get all upset, it is not sexism to call a woman hot. That is just something that you have made up in your mind. Your site sucks. Samhita is a major league racist. You say you are strong, powerful and independent, yet you are constantly whining about wage gaps (which don't exist), abortion (women have all rights in this arena), and rape (so many false accusations it isn't funny). Do yourself a favor and get a life. You live a pathetic existence.

PS I know you won't reply because you are weak. You are not equal to men because you openly admit this daily on your site by constant whining.

I swear, this actually brought a smile to my face (okay, more like a smirk, but whatevs). It just warms my heart to know that if we're pissing people like this off, we're definitely doing something right.

Posted by Jessica - September 26, 2008, at 12:54PM | in Anti-Feminism , Humor

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[0+|0-] Author Profile Page kasia said:

I WISH feminist bloggers/activists were "stereotypical women"!!

Awww.

o_O People still use AOL?

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page T-Monster said:

I love the PS: I double dare you to reply so we can have a pointless e-mail war in which no one agrees so I can get my rocks off hating on Feministing.

Really. And we're the pathetic ones?

At least it made me chuckle.

I like when people read titles and headlines and not content. Clearly he's only noticed the *amount* of Palin coverage, not actual words therein.

And if you have to say "don't call what I've just said sexist" it's because you know that what you just said IS SEXIST and you want to say it anyway, with no ramifications. What a wuss.

This is my favorite part:
"You say you are strong, powerful and independent, yet you are constantly whining about wage gaps (which don't exist), abortion (women have all rights in this arena), and rape (so many false accusations it isn't funny)."
-I didn't realize that all these things were made up!! Alright, which one of you has been lying? I do have to say though, I'm relieved. Could you imagine with all those injustices were TRUE!?
Oh...wait...

Oh, I love it. I mean I know I go to websites I believe to be propaganda sites purely to monitor the amount of time/effort/space given to specific people and/or issues.

I'll second this as my favorite part: "You say you are strong, powerful and independent, yet you are constantly whining about wage gaps (which don't exist)[1], abortion (women have all rights in this arena)[2], and rape (so many false accusations it isn't funny)[3]."

1. Except everywhere, and trust when the US government figures it out well then it has been around for a while, but hey I work hard for my $.77.
2. All rights? Wait I thought people were still discussing taking this right away, and I'm pretty sure most of the people talking about this are white men.
3. Wait fake allegations aren't funny? Does that mean rape is normally funny? Because that is what this statement implies. Some people may want to keep their mouths shut until they master the language they use to express bigoted views.

It makes me want to send him a little love letter of my own. Mine would be much shorter consisting of two letters...drum roll.. F U. What an asshat.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page kurd55 said:

It sounds like he doesn’t listen, or has a detail retention problem. Maybe schizophrenic? To me, people like this seem to have very real mental problems. Whenever I read something like this I imagine a bearded fellow in a diaper screaming “mommy”! It isn’t a pleasant sight, I assure you.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page Felix said:

The only phrase that comes to mind.
"Lol"

We live a pathetic existence?

We're not the ones that send pathetic and clearly ignorant sexist hate mail >.

"It's probably because she is hotter than any of you girls on feminsting."

I've seen the people of feministings videos, and I think everyone on this site is truly beautiful unique, and educated. Which pwns Sarah Palin any day ;)

As an older feminist, I have come across many people who feel threatened by feminists, who don't understand the need for feminism. They feel safe conforming to some of the society's rule. They resort to insult, but then it's not only anti-feminists who do that. It's also pro-Life Catholics who want pro-Choice Catholics to leave and disappear.

Your aol correspondent does not seem to understand that we find nothing threatening in Sarah Palin, we just see a throw back, a sort of Neanderthal woman, who combines little education with a highly inflated idea of herself. In fact, we feel embarrassed by her. We have an 'Oh Gawd' reaction. But, she is also a 'reality check.' To me, at least.

The thing is, Sarah Palin was chosen the same way McCain decided to suspend his campaign (which was never stopped at any time). She was chosen on an impulse, a fluke, a need to shock the polls. With Palin it worked for a while. With his decision of not attending the first debate, it had the opposite effect.

Frankly, I'm beginning to feel sorry for Sarah Palin, because, very much like George Bush, without a script written for her, she comes through rather 'empty.'

Gotta hand it to him. He types in complete sentences.

Is this the same person who kept complaining about Samhita deleting his trollish comments on other posts? There's no other reason for him to call her out specifically. And the commenter called her weak for deleting his comments instead of replying.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page friendlyfeminist said:

Yes, if someone has a problem with Palin, it must be because she's...hot...So by that logic, this guy must also hate Obama and Biden because they're hot, not because he's paid attention to the news and made an educated decision on his own. It boggles the mind...

Stereotypical women!!!!! LOL, what is that, exactly?

It's really sad that men still think this way. That they will fall for that bullshit from other guys. "You know man, the wage gap is an urban legend dude, tell her to get back in the kitchen". Fuck.

That aside, why is it that men assume that telling us that we're ugly, in EMAIL no less, is going to hurt our feelings. Like, oh no this douche bag doesn't want to marry be and knock me up? I am devastated! And you could tell that after he wrote that he had to get up and go jerk off, since all he could think about was how hot Sarah Palin is.

It's my experience that guys like him are just insecure because women who are "hot" won't date guys like him and women who are feminists know better.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page ShelbyWoo said:

Gotta hand it to him. He types in complete sentences.

And, his spelling seems ok, but he trotted out the same old tired troll crap. Hmmm….I’ll give him a C for effort in the grammar department.

If you want to be an “A” troll, kid, you’re going to have to come up with something a little more original than “feminists are ugly, whiny, and totally jealous of hot chicks!”

Reminds me of the time some pathetic coward, hiding behind an anonymous remailer, tried to forge a talk.abortion posting in my name.

All I could think was, "If they're going to that much trouble just to piss me off, I must be doing something right."

I'm not voting for McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden. They all suck.

So it's ok for him to say Palin sucks, but not you.

I find that one of the best ways to shut up the people who say that the gender wage gap doesn't exist is to ask them if they have the same opinion about the racial wage gap.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page 1spacescientist said:

The best part is that even the conservatives are turning on Palin, now that she's made such an ass out of herself. Check this out - a National Review columnist has called for Palin to drop out of the race voluntarily!

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=

or

http://tinyurl.com/4t6zgw

Watching her in the Katie Couric interview brought uncomfortable memories of that nightmare where I go to class and the teacher announces that it's time for the final that I totally forgot about.

Maybe he doesn't realize that you can see just the posts without whining by visiting the following URL:

http://www.feministing.com/?whining=disabled

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page cuteiswhatiaimfor said:

I love, love, love that you included his email address...I might just have to take a moment, gather my thoughts, and maybe shoot a reply email over...maybe...

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page oh_machine said:

0_0
My boobs do not move like that! I don't think any woman's boobs move like that!
If you're going to make a boob-feel application, at least do it with realistic boobs. Not something that moves like a water balloon rolling on the ground.

Does anyone here read XKCD? If only the joke in today's strip applied to e-mail programs, too.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page Catriona said:

This letter is scarily similar to the conversation I had with my dad yesterday. I was trying to explain to him WHY I was a feminist, and when the "wage gap" was brought up, he denied that it existed. He said that it was point blank untrue. How do you argue against people with views like that?

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page jcwhite0825@aol.com said:

Hi, everyone it is me. Some of you have sent me emails. I sent that email to Jessica and not all of you. I thought it was unprofessional of her to post my email address for all to see, you may ask why. She runs this site and is going to get a great amount of email, good and bad sent to her because of it. I have had no success in her responding to me in the past. I though that she would woman up and fight her own battles. If she wanted to put my comments up here I have not problem with that. But email, hmm, she should know that is not right. But here we are.

Now, to my email. I fully believe that women should be equal under the law and have equal rights. That should be stated first. Sarah Palin was the topic in my email My point apparently did not get across very well. The point is this. Even though I beleive she is not qualified to be a candidate, she is there. Women must not be behind the equality curve if that is that case. I understand that talking about her political views is essential to you cause and website. That is fine. But, there seems to be extra attention paid to her. SNL comedy skits and such. Why make fun of her. On the one hand she does not represent your views. On the other, she is obviously a successful woman which proves some of the arguments on this site, about equality, null and void.

Now, on to other comments I made. Samhita makes comments about white men alot. I can only say that she is racist because if a white male makes those comments about another race he is considered racist. This should be easy to understand.

Now, to my final comments. When it comes to children, men have no choices. Abortion is totally in a woman's hands. Men have no choice. Is that equality. I would say no. Men can't opt out of parenthood if they wanted to. He is at her mercy. Not fair at all. If it is "your body, your choice" should it not be your wallet when it comes to child support? That is just my view.

As far as false rape goes it is out there. One of your subscribers said "how dare you blame the victim." I did not blame any victims. Rape is a terrible crime and not the victim's fault. Please read the email. I never said that.

Wage gaps. There are lots of statistics thrown out. Problem is, there are too many variables to say that it exists. Look back at some of your past articles and people who have made comments can at the very least somewhat agree with this.

Some of you may want to know a little about me for giggles. I am thirty five years old and a CPA. I do not date much, this is true. I wanted a wife and family, but inside the last ten years I have found the dating landscape to be unbearable. You may think being a guy is easy. But it is hard to have equality thrown in your face while at the same time having to pay for all dates and treating women like they are princesses. And believe me, there are plenty of women who have your views, while at the same time wanting all of the traditional stuff. That is not right and I know you could agree with me on that.

Jessica, calling you pathetic was for shock value as you have not responded to me before and still have not. Since you posted my email, I think it is only fair that you leave my comments in this section. Would you agree?

@ anomrabbit: That. Comic. Is CLASSIC. LMAO!

Meanwhile... somehow I think Jenn Astle hit the nail RIGHT on the head. *smh* So sad, so sad....

Wow. So who's going to be the first one to touch that?

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page amy_sarah said:

"I do not date much, this is true."

This must be a joke. Right?

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page jcwhite0825@aol.com said:

To amy_sarah. Yes it is true. Could I date more if I wanted. Oh yeah. Could I go to bars on a Friday night and pic women up to fuck and chuck? Yeah, that would be easy. I came over here and made serious comments without attacking you. Can you do that or are you not capable of that?

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page doppleganger said:

So I have desided that it can be officially douche bags crawl out of their hole week. I've started in the last month to be more vocal about pointing out and not putting up with the suttle sexist behaviors that our society has told us we should except and convinced the ladies of as well. (Not that I'm not a vocalist from way back;) For some reason this week they are coming out of the wood work.
While I was hostessing at work last night a group of females who were dressed up for a birthday/ladies night were leaving while a woman and her husband were coming in. The man looked the group of girls up and down and then said "there go the strippers." I said "actually sir I work with one of them at the Democratic Headquarters in town." He got all uncomfortable and said "I was just saying." And I said "And I was just saying." (In front of my dinning room manager no less.)
So since then at all 3 jobs I have had a slew of condisending ass wads.
SO here's how it relates. They are feeling the heat. They are getting threatened and for good reason. I'm not going to back down. I will continue to point out sexist behavior and try to explain to my female friends that they do not deserve to be treated that way and one day the pressure will be too much.
THANKS FOR THE MOTIVATION TO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MR. THREATENED SEXIST NON-VOTER!!

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page amy_sarah said:

I just meant that this whole thing is a joke - I mean, why are you explaining your dating history to us? Are we supposed to find it endearing or some sort of explanation as to your misogynistic comments?

I think we should probably just ignore the asshat at this point...

It only gave you a smirk?? The P.S. alone had me dying of laughter!

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page jennyolson said:

Well of course this site is going to get hate mail, the ideas expressed here can be very polarizing and gender divisive.

I'm sure MRA sites get just as much hate mail, if not more, from women.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page penny rose said:

"Men can't opt out of parenthood if they wanted to."


Yeah.Please tell all the single mothers out there!

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page leah said:

"Men can't opt out of parenthood if they wanted to. He is at her mercy."

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah tell that to my mom whose father abandoned her when she was 2 years old...left her and my grandma in the middle of the night. Disappeared. No child support.

Tell that to my friend whose daughter's father left the state when she told him she was pregnant. Didn't sign the birth certificate. Officially the kid has no dad. No child support.

Tell that to my other friend, who, after beating her repeatedly, her husband left her with two toddlers. State ordered child support. He refused to pay. 5 years later she hasn't seen a dime, petitions to terminate his parental rights. He doesn't give the paperwork a second glance. Officially those kids have no dad.

Tell that to my third friend. Her husband left her when she was 7 months pregnant with kids. No contact. 10 years later she hasn't seen a dime and the kids have never met their father.

Can't opt out MY ASS.

This HAS to be the Frat-seriesofnumbers who got banned by Samhita. Who is hot (Samhita, I mean). As are all the other feministing women. DUde should have done his research and looked at your pictures before deciding that you were jealous of Palin's hotness.

And how does Palin's success prove that women magically became equal some moment when I wasn't looking? How does ONE successful woman prove that sexism doesn't exist? You have to have an equal number of successful women as successful men before you make that kind of argument.

Obama is black (I know! It's crazy! I almost missed it!). He is running for president. Can we declare that racism in America is dead? Well, I'm sure JCWHiteFratboy thinks so (well, except for Samhita, she's still racist even if no one else is).

And the whole abortion thing...waaaah! I don't like condoms*, and now she's pregnant, even though she SAID she was on the pill, and I have no control over what happens inside her body...waaaah!

*ecause you KNOW these MRA trolls think birth control is all a woman's responsibility

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page jcwhite0825@aol.com said:

Single mothers chose to be single mothers. They made shitty choices on men and now want men to pay. This is easy to see, penny rose. Why fuck a guy that you know is not going to stay around. This is the part that is really a riot. Oh, geez, I fucked a dude I met at the bar and he won't be a good father. I just don't understand it. Please. It is called personal responsibility. You have to find a guy that is willing to accecpt his responsiblility or you might get all of it. It is that easy. You also kick out the word misogyninst if I don't agree with your views. That would automatically make you misandrists.

"But it is hard to have equality thrown in your face"

Oh no! Now, guys, come on--doesn't this make you sad? Have some fucking sympathy! This poor man is having his superiority challenged! What a bummer. I feel almost as sorry for him as I do for the KKK. Equality hurts!

(It's statements like this one that make it completely pointless to pay any heed to anything else a troll writes.)

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page gomillis said:

jcwhite -
I don't usually engage with trolls, but your last comment is so blatantly absurd that I just couldn't resist. You said that single mothers chose to be single mothers. By the same "logic," didn't the fathers in these scenarios CHOOSE to be fathers? I know you don't date much, but even you have to know that it takes two people to make a child. Since both the mother and the father made the decision to have sex, why should only the mother bear the financial, emotional, etc. responsibility of raising a child?
People are calling you a misogynist not because you disagree with them, but because you are saying misogynistic things, like that only women should bear the responsibility of raising children and that only women made a "shitty choice."

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page jcwhite0825@aol.com said:

Judith Jewcakes, your comment is the dumbest I've seen so far. I don't mind having equality. I explained that, but it got past you I guess. But when you go out on a date and women don't want equality when the check comes, that is what I'm talking about. See Judith, you don't really believe in equality. You only like it when it suits you.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page Halo said:

"Judith Jewcakes, your comment is the dumbest I've seen so far."

So, I take that as proof that he doesn't actually look at what he's typing.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page jcwhite0825@aol.com said:

gomillas. You don't know the definition of misogyny. It is the hatred of women. Posting views on life is not the hatred of women. If a woman says that every guy is a jerk, that would not be misandrist now would it? It is just her view and does not mean that she hates men. You people here use that word to keep any disention in check. Yes, it does take two people to have a child, no argument there. But, if a guy has no say so as far as abortion goes he should not have to pay. That is not equality. Are you saying that the decision to have the baby is an equal decision, because it is not. This is such a simple point that it is like shooting fish in a barrel. Why did she have sex knowing that that was a possiblilty. She did not have to do it. If a guy has no say so, he should not have to pay. Hey, this helps your cause, because women would be aborting left and right now that child support is not going to happen. Misogyny = Hatred of women. I have shown no hatred. Anyone saying that I have is lying.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page rhowan said:

kurd55: "It sounds like he doesn’t listen, or has a detail retention problem. Maybe schizophrenic? To me, people like this seem to have very real mental problems. Whenever I read something like this I imagine a bearded fellow in a diaper screaming “mommy”! It isn’t a pleasant sight, I assure you."

Next week is National Mental Illness Awareness Week - perhaps in honour of that we could all practice ways of expressing disagreement with someone without insulting and miscategorizing the mentally ill.

[0+|0-] Author Profile Page alixana said:

But it is hard to have equality thrown in your face while at the same time having to pay for all dates and treating women like they are princesses.

I see that complaint all the time and I have no idea what it means. Like they're princesses? Is that some sort of complaint about having to treat them with respect? Or are you talking about whiny people who demand all your attention? Because I've dated some men like that.

Dating sucks, for every one person you get along well with there are a dozen who are totally wrong for you. But it's kinda dishonest to just give up and then blame it all on the entirety of the gender you're trying to date.

Oh, and, I always pay for my half on a date. And I've gotten some really strange-ass comments about it from my dates. If you don't want to pay for everything, don't argue about it when she pays for her half.