Margaret Cho, say it ain't so!
Yet another installment of Palin Sexism Watch.
Sigh. Not good.
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Am I the only person who can't follow the link? (which is OK b/c I already read it in my Google reader this morning)
I was so disappointed in that blog by Cho. It serves no good purpose, and was really just unnecessary overall. She can do better than that, especially since there are only about a nonillion legitimate reasons to criticize Palin, and not one of them has anything to do w/ what's in her pants or how fuckable she is perceived to be.
I have always been a fan of Margaret Cho, but that just really lost her a lot of respect in my eyes.
My bad. Top link is fixed now.
Nope the link is not working.
The more here link is is not working Ann.
The letters "html" are part of the link, at the beginning. The correct link is:
http://www.womanist-musings.com/2008/09/margaret-cho-colluder-of-week-tap-that.html
It was a little ribald but I had no problem with it.
EW.
I'd comment but I'm not getting a MySpace account just for that.
I thought it was hilarious!
Okay.
Saying you think someone is hot is obviously not useful political commentary. Obviously.
But, I remember back in the day when my mom said she wanted to sleep with Bill Clinton.
Heck, I talk all the time about what I'd like to do to/with certain celebrities.
So I guess in Margaret Cho's case, given that she does like women and men, and talks about them both, I'm less likely to see this as some sort of case of horrible sexism.
What about the time she said Mrs. Bush's pussy would taste like lysol? Do you think that was equally sexist?
I just think of it being Ms. Cho's style to be over-the-top like that... and above all, honest about her own feelings. So I guess, this won't stop me from liking her.
Gah! it's the end of the week and my brain is clearly fried...
I found this really disgusting. Margaret Cho stopped seeming funny to me a long time ago; her particular brand of humor seems to be saying the grossest, most offensive things she can think of. And while I guess some people are into that, I really do not see the humor or even the point. I ditto pretty much all the comments in the blog post criticizing her "jokes".
I'm with a.k.a. Ninapendamaishi. I didn't think the "Barrackin' my world" joke on Will & Grace was sexist, so I have a hard time seeing this as sexist.
To me, thats not sexist. It would be sexist if a newscaster talked like that publicly, but not in a personal blog. It would be sexist if she said I wanna fuck that bimbo bitch, or talked about wanting to fuck her in a derogatory way, but shes just saying she digs the older sexy woman vibes and kinda wants to eat her out from behind. I'm sure there's tons of conservative women who wanna hump obama, and appreciating his bod isnt demeaning him as long as theyre not all 'I want his mandingo love'. The point is, its totally ok to talk about wanting to fuck people so long as your not doing it in a derogatory way or professional setting where you need to evaluate this candidate on her record and the content of her character.
BTW, Cho is soooo not alone in the dykeish crowd wanting to fuck Palin. Her badass flair, gun toting, sarcastic commenting appeal has endeared her in a sort of culty way to the gay grrls who duh would never vote for her b/c shes not down with gay rights. I think we can all appreciate her guts and flair even if we dont do her politics. To me its not necessarily demeaning to have that disconnect between sex appeal and brain appeal.
Also, I see in a lot of comments that sometimes people dont get why something is sexist, or those who dont see it the same way as other people. I think this blog might be more biting if posters took more time to dissect, analyze or break things down (a lil more like racalicious) vs the linking/echo culture that blogs are so often criticized for. Or is the point of this blog to be feminist news / updates? not to be a whiner, just wondering if there was stated plan for this wonderful lively lil site!
on a non-palin note, i thought that her jab at mccain was completely inappropriate and over the line....... you may hate the guy (and trust me i'm terrified at the prospect of a mccain/palin white house) but to make light of his time as a pow is totally uncool. way to give the right fodder....
just kidding! I just realized the articles you linked have quite a bit of their own commentary.
Yes, that is disappointing.
Were there as many feministing posts about the sexism Hillary Clinton received?
I thought it was pretty unfunny, but I'm not sure it's sexist. I think a queer woman talking in that way is more like a feminist using "cunt" or "bitch" than anything else - at the end of the day it works perpendicular to or against patriarchal discourse.
I was more offended by her jab at McCain's military career. Anyone, regardless of military skill, can become a POW.
I think that taking huge offense to this is a bit much. Living in such a starched, politically correct world is pretty fucking suffocating. Come on, even the most leftist of feminists had to smile at her comments...ok, maybe not. Props to Cho for saying what all of us are secretly thinking.
I really don't think this was sexist. Margaret talks about her crushes a lot. Offhand, I remember her discussing Bjork, so I don't see this as any different. Unless we're not allowed to express any sexual feelings about public figures at all, ever.
And she has a point about McCain. He was a soldier and he was caught. Isn't the point not to get caught? Some soldiers would kill themselves before being captured. Just sayin'.
She's a comedian not a political commentator.
"Props to Cho for saying what all of us are secretly thinking."
Wow. Speak for yourself.
I can't believe the comments here.
"What about the time she said Mrs. Bush's pussy would taste like lysol? Do you think that was equally sexist?"- a.k.a. Ninapendamaishi
I saw Ms. Cho perform that line when she came to my college and I remember absolutely hating it. I'm not even sure if it was the "sexist-ness" that bothered me so much as much as the disproportionate sexualized viscousness directed at someone who I really didn't think was a deserving target.
"She's a comedian not a political commentator."- rachel
So what? So it's not sexist? Or so it's okay to be sexist? Andrew Dice Clay is a comedian too- so what?
So, why no outrage at Sarah Silverman for making tons of comments about how she wants to sleep with Obama?
Isn't that sexist?
It's a "good for the goose/good for the gander" situation.
You can't idly ignore one, while damning the other.
Either both are sexist, or neither are.
And considering both people are comedians, not political pundits, they aren't paid to give insight into a politicians views and opinions. They're paid to try to be funny.
"I'm not even sure if it was the "sexist-ness" that bothered me so much as much as the disproportionate sexualized viscousness directed at someone who I really didn't think was a deserving target."
Damn- just re-read what I wrote here and realized I may be a shoe-in at the Hair Splitting Olympics.
So yes- I thought it was sexist.
I should add that I agree with MoxieHart who said
"Unless we're not allowed to express any sexual feelings about public figures at all, ever."
I need to take a break from feministing for a while, because it's starting to feel like church. She's a comedian. I just think there are more pressing issues for me to worry about right now than what a comedian says on her myspace blog. Every now and then I just get turned off. Can't help it. Be back in a few days.
Mmm. I didn't think it was so bad, except maybe the MILF thing. I'm also thinking of the Bush's pussy lysol comment I saw in a couple of her standups. I'm pretty sure that would be about equivalent to this.
I don't know. I like Margaret. I disagree that she's just "saying the most offensive, gross things she can think of." Her skits are more complex than that. And "grossness" has been and is still used to disparage gay sexuality itself.
And it's also ironic, of course, because Palin is running on an extremely anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-sex, anti-sex-ed platform. So, yes, while I would be pissed if a guy said this about her, we all know what Palin and most other readers would find most "offensive" is Margaret's sexuality. Palin proposes to actively oppress Margaret's minority demographic; Margaret does not propose to do this to Palin. She proposes to eat her pussy.
It's a "good for the goose/good for the gander" situation.
You can't idly ignore one, while damning the other.
Either both are sexist, or neither are.
Oh, you mean because of how men's sexuality and women's sexuality have been treated absolutely identically throughout human history, and sex and sexual insults have never been used to silence and control women any more than they have men? Well that's good news, I guess.
For the record, while I'm not familiar with anything Sarah Silverman has done on the subject, I have seen jokes and sexual references about Obama that I considered racist-sexist, because they stuck him with the stereotype of the hypersexual, insatiable, hedonistic black man. Which has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Those of you who are trying to frame this as an innocent expression of attraction are fooling yourselves. Margaret Cho's done some wonderfully feminist things in the past, but she doesn't live or work or speak in the magic sparkly post-sexism vacuum any more than the rest of us do. Making "MILF" and "Alaskan pussy" and "you know that thing is frozen" jokes is a hundred kinds of not okay, I don't give a shit how "edgy" you are.
So, why no outrage at Sarah Silverman for making tons of comments about how she wants to sleep with Obama? Isn't that sexist? It's a "good for the goose/good for the gander" situation. You can't idly ignore one, while damning the other. Either both are sexist, or neither are."-Black Thirteen
Oh for the love of-
*ahem*
Silverman on Obama-
"He's so ridiculously sexy. He's got that swimmer's body and he stands like Fred Astaire, ya know, slouchy but with incredibly great posture."
Cho on Palin-
"I want to steam up those glasses and show her what a pitbull with lipstick really needs – doggy style! Seriously – I wanna eat her Alaskan pussy from behind. Like an Eskimo. What?! I'm just trying to keep warm! Although you know that thing is frozen and my tongue would probably stick."
Quite an apt comparison you've made there, BlackThirteen.
So what you're saying, FuckDecaf, is you're offended by things that are sexually explicit. Both are obviously referencing sex.
Oh, please.
If she had stated her thoughts on Palin in a slightly nicer tone, she'd still be called on the carpet for being sexist.
You're just purposely seeing it as less bad because after all, she's just talking about a man.
If it's sexist to say you want to fuck a public figure, it shouldn't matter how you say it.
In fact, wouldn't Silverman's be worse? Hers was in a public interview, Cho's was on a personal MySpace blog.
What it seems to come down to, from the people here, is that expressing sexual interest in a woman is not okay, which is so fucked.
so what you're saying, FuckDecaf, is you're offended by things that are sexually explicit. Both are obviously referencing sex. -allegra
No, I'm saying it is completely absurd to claim that Silverman's dreamy-eyed admiration of a candidate she respects is equivalent to Cho's hate-fuck language about a candidate she clearly doesn't respect.
It's more like Glenn Beck saying how much he'd love to stick it in Hillary's icy snatch.
Equating Silverman and Cho here denies the fact that sexualization can be a tool of disrespect, and I figured I wouldn't see that on a feminist blog.
The difference lies in the simple fact that Silverman is talking about physical attraction, but she's not using that attraction to demean Barack Obama.
Cho, on the other hand, is definitely overtly sexualizing Sarah Palin in an attempt to disrespect her. Turning Palin into a sexual object and thus nullifying the part of her that has been a successful politician is a way of saying, "Sure, she's running for vice president, but she's an attractive woman, so nothing else about her matters."
Her use of language clearly shows there's no respect in her sexualization of Palin, whereas Silverman's word choice demonstrates quite the opposite.
And in the end isn't respect for women what this site is about?
No matter what Margaret Cho has done in the past, or does in the future, this is a brutally sexist description of a woman in a position of power in order to degrade her, defame her, and reduce her to a sexual object. Palin's politics don't even come into play here, but rather her womanhood and her body.
And the McCain comment is very, very offensive as well. To disparage a POW for their capture is pretty low, and it's quite specious to equate capture with being a poor soldier. Besides the obvious elements of luck that go into it many POW's have been captured expressly because of their honorable service.
The next logical progression in Cho's McCain joke is that dead soldiers are even worse soldiers.
Can someone give me a list of words that the commenters of this site have decided that we can't use anymore? I know that bitch is out, but MILF, cougar, cunt, dyke, pussy, and Alaska are also out, right?
I really can't comment on this post anymore, because I've found the tone of the commentators on this site in general, but in this post especially resembles someone whispering shut up in church, but I will say this.
1. Is it really wrong for a queer woman to voice a sexual fantasy? Cho works in the language of the absurd and hyperbolic, as anyone who's actually READ her work before is aware of. Linguistically, I think her post is stunningly hilarious. And does no one find it ironic that she's writing about a sexual fantasy about a woman who belongs to an extremist church and who'd probably BAN gay behavior if she could?
2. Is Cho trying to silence her, as some posters have alleged? Where in her post does it say, "Sarah Palin shut up and get out of politics?" Where does it say, "Sarah Palin, I will rape you if you don't get out of politics?"
3. Do I have to respect Sarah Palin, FuckDecaf? Because I don't. She's a woman, standing on the backs of all the great women who have fought to get women access to the public sphere, the vote, and political influence, and she and her ilk would snatch it away from other women in a second. FUCK NO, I don't respect her. But I wouldn't take her political power away, that's what makes me different from the right-wing gang.
No, I'm saying it is completely absurd to claim that Silverman's dreamy-eyed admiration of a candidate she respects is equivalent to Cho's hate-fuck language about a candidate she clearly doesn't respect.
It's more like Glenn Beck saying how much he'd love to stick it in Hillary's icy snatch.
Uh, I think Glenn Beck and Margaret Cho are in about diametrically opposed social positions, speaking of poor comparisons. Margaret Cho is not a white hetero male. She doesn't want to "stick" anything in Palin's snatch.
Why is Silverman's "dreamy-eyed"? It's interesting you use this particular term; is it, as it has been historically, more appropriate for women to be "dreamy-eyed" about their cute "crushes" than explicitly sexual? And how could Cho seriously completely respect someone who, as I already said, is openly anti-sex, anti-gay, anti-woman? I'm more offended by Palin than by Cho.
I'm with MoxieHart, too. Well said.
Moxieheart-"Is Cho trying to silence her, as some posters have alleged?"
I just read through the thread above and didn't see anyone claiming anything of the sort.
"Do I have to respect Sarah Palin, FuckDecaf?"
Hell no- of course not. I don't respect her either.
But I'm not saying "you should respect Sarah," am I?
What I am disputing here is the idea that there is no difference between expressing physical desire for someone you respect, and describing how much you'd like to get with the frigid bitch who you have no respect for otherwise but would like to "show her what she needs."
I'm not saying I'm going to burn my Margaret Cho DVDs here- I'm saying these two things are not equivalent!
"Why is Silverman's "dreamy-eyed"? It's interesting you use this particular term; is it, as it has been historically, more appropriate for women to be "dreamy-eyed" about their cute "crushes" than explicitly sexual?"
If she'd said: "I would like to ride Obama's throbbing cock," it still would not be equivalent. It's not the "fuck" part I'm having a problem with here, it's the "hate-fuck."
davenj's excellent post details the difference above, and much better than I would, so I won't bother to do it again.
"I was more offended by her jab at McCain's military career"
When did military service become a feminist value? Particularly in Vietnam, of all places.
"I was more offended by her jab at McCain's military career"
When did military service become a feminist value? Particularly in Vietnam, of all places.
When did military service become a feminist value? Particularly in Vietnam, of all places.-anne37
How about a human fucking being issue? I realize McCain was a volunteer, but a whole lot of young men weren't. I get more pissed off than anyone I know when McCain tries to use his POW experience as some kind of get out of criticism free card, but I do think it's pretty rotten to say "you got caught by the Viet Cong- what a shitty soldier!"
I don't know, as over the top and unnecessary the details were, I have a feeling she's just playing with the whole trend of people finding her "hot" and fascinating.
In terms of the McCain comment, it was obviously grounded in her comedy. It is meant to make people think about how his service has been romanticized and used as a near qualification for the election. What does his being a soldier and POW really have to bear on his campaign? Maybe the torture he experienced has colored his world view with only good guys and bad guys. And what (other) qualifications does he have for POTUS? In any case, Cho's comments brings up these questions which are interesting and relevant. She is not seriously stating that McCain was a bad soldier because he was a POW.
I guess that means Scarlett Johansson is a horrible person for being open about having a crush on Obama. And, as someone else said, Sarah Silverman. They may not have used as explicit a description, but the sentiments were similar in intent.
Are the dirty thoughts I write in my journal about the guy I am interested in sexist? Cuz I thought they were just me being horny.
I don't think this is sexist. As much as we shouldn't base politics on appearance (and Cho isn't doing that - she said right up front that she would never vote for McCain), I don't think that writing about how attractive you find someone is inherently sexist. This isn't quite like the people on CNN discussing her cleavage after a debate, this is a comedian who is attracted to women talking about how she finds a woman attractive. If you substitute in any celebrity or a male politician no one would care.
These kinds of things come with being a public figure. If your picture is out there for the world to see, people will look at it. And some will be attracted to it. And that's OK, because we are sexual beings. Palin being a woman doesn't mean she should be exempt from that. That's not equality.
I have a thing for Obama (and am voting for him). She has a thing for Palin (and is not voting for McCain/her). A difference?
I do feel that someone coming from so far out of the mainstream (nonheterosexual Asian-American) and who has built a career out of saying shocking and often sexual things should get a bit of slack. She's not a pundit, she's posting on a blog. Should we all go through every Feministing poster's blogs and emails to make sure we're all always PC? Unless we're being "ironic," of course, which brings into play all sorts of BS hipster/funny/joking-on-the-square shit?
Regarding the original post: I am amazed by the huge numbers of seemingly intelligent people who hold celebrities up as something more than entertainers. Many entertainers are neither highly educated nor even well informed. Moreover, most live isolated, insular lives outside of the mainstream.
Margaret Cho was the subject of the original post: Expelled from high school with a GPA of 0.60 -- later graduated from a performing arts high school. Took some college courses. How does this specifically qualify her as anything other than an entertainer?
This is not a criticism of Margaret Cho -- she's funny (sometimes) and that's what she gets paid extremely well to be.
Rather, it's an observation about the sad state of affairs when better informed, educated and enlightened people look to television, motion picture and music celebrities as authorities on anything other than being entertaining.
Are they entitled to opinions? Of course. Everyone is. And yes, some celebrities feel it is their place to babble on about any of a number of subjects just because they have access to a broadcast medium.
Sadly for some people, that is reason enough to hold them up as something more than entertainers.
Pitiful.
I think Cho was being ironic. Using the MILF/Cougar stereotypes is deliberate.
I don't have the energy to explain this any further..this post and it's comments has made me cranky.
I think you guys are taking this waaaay too seriously. It was irreverent and it was funny. That's what comics do. And Palin in that mini was trying to exercise some white trash sexy swagger. If it balances things out I admit I would be Barack's little spicy latin side piece that f---s his brains out on the reg.
As the Alaska women signs read "Bush in a Skirt".
Cho gives it depth.
Thanks for the article.
I know her looks don't matter and that it is sexist that so many are focusing on them (though the Cho comment doesn't bother me because I think you have to consider your source, and by the way that pic was photo shopped Lala) but I have to admit some small part of me is also annoyed because SHE'S NOT THAT HOT!!!! Ok, now I am as bad as the rest of them but I feel the urge to scream that building every time I look at her smug, self-satisfied, mean, pucker faced expression and hear that annoying accent. I would not normally disparage any female candidate on their looks or likewise compliment them but I am just so sick of hearing how "hot" she is. 1)It should be a non-issue 2)Since they have made it an issue I just don't see it. I think that aside from sexism part of the reason we are hearing so much about her looks is because for many she came out of nowhere so that is all they have to judge her on without doing some research and because she was a beauty contestant once. Whatever the reason, I hope we start hearing more about her lousy politics soon instead of her appearance, daughter's pregnancy and hockey mom/lipstick on pit bull sayings.
That so many people can't see the difference between joking about wanting to fuck someone because they're hot, and joking about hate-fucking someone, is appalling. The explicitness of the language isn't even the problem. Couples who like talking dirty to each other aren't sexist. But a person who expresses hatred towards another and graphically describes sex acts with them is making a correlation between hatred and sex that is incredibly unhealthy.
That she's a comedian and not a politician doesn't matter. She's a public voice. I might add that she's one who's consistently spoken seriously, including in her stand-up routines, about important issues; unlike other comedians, who simply tell jokes. She's someone I, at one time, looked upon as thoughtful as well as cutting and explicit.
Guess I was wrong.
The comments here are horrifying. Do most people on this thread really not see the difference between using sexual language to express desire for someone and using sexual language to dehumanize them? There's nothing friendly about the language Cho was using, and I don't feel the need to give her a pass just because I agree with her a lot, or because I can't stand Palin.
"How about a human fucking being issue?"
I think Cho was pointing out for comedy's sake the irony of honoring a POW just for being a POW. Secondly, my point was that I don't think I should be expected to give a crap if someone gets caught as a prisoner in a war we shouldn't have been fighting in the first place. Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, and I don't mean to sound flippant, but I truly don't comprehend this idea that we need to respect soldiers. You join a war, shitty things happen to you. Doesn't make you a hero. The "human being issue" here is on the side of the civilians, not the soldiers.
"How about a human fucking being issue?"
I think Cho was pointing out for comedy's sake the irony of honoring a POW just for being a POW. Secondly, my point was that I don't think I should be expected to give a crap if someone gets caught as a prisoner in a war we shouldn't have been fighting in the first place. Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, and I don't mean to sound flippant, but I truly don't comprehend this idea that we need to respect soldiers. You join a war, shitty things happen to you. Doesn't make you a hero. The "human being issue" here is on the side of the civilians, not the soldiers.
sorry about that, apparently I can't post anything here without doing it twice =)
"No, I'm saying it is completely absurd to claim that Silverman's dreamy-eyed admiration of a candidate she respects is equivalent to Cho's hate-fuck language about a candidate she clearly doesn't respect. "
I wouldn't describe Cho's description here as hate-fucking, honestly. It's also not real romantic, obviously.
But if you've listened to much of Cho's work, you'll know that Cho frequently describes herself as a "bottom". I can relate. For some people doggystyle is very sexy, as is the idea of the "top" taking control.
The description is slightly irreverent, but I don't think she's saying she feels this way because she hates Palin. Although I think Cho, as a liberal queer, has every right to hate Palin, I think she could have a similar fantasy about some stranger she saw in public, who she also thought was attractive in a mature-woman way...
The one insult I see thrown in in the sex-fantasy section was the "frozen" comment. Which could easily be partially a reference to Palin's stance on reproductive rights and sex ed -clearly Palin is not someone who wants girls and women to have sexual freedom.
And also, I second all the opinions about people who are like "dude, this is a personal blog of a comedian..." and I thought the person who drew contrast between that and saying things as a public official or in a news interview were apt. Since it's confession time, I have had fantasies about killing George W. Bush or John McCain. I don't feel particularly bad for it.
I'm having real issues with the idea that it is ok to hate anyone or fantasize about killing anyone. I'm seeing this more and more not only on this threat, but also others. This is not ok and, IMHO, contradicts what feminism is purportedly about.
I agree with you Cicada, Palin looks like the Joker to me.
"I'm having real issues with the idea that it is ok to hate anyone or fantasize about killing anyone."
Well, I was very much raised with the idea it's never ok to be a doormat.
I mean, sometimes it's a kill or be killed world, and look at all the deaths and suffering George W. has been responsible for... I think he deserves to die. Just like Hitler deserved to die. Which is not to say I believe in capitol punishment more generally, because I don't, as a policy matter or standard punishment.
I guess I tend to have a certain amount of admiration for leaders like Malcolm X, because I think few if any major changes to the status quo have happened throughout history using only peaceful means and consensus decision-making. And if a controversial, not-totally peaceful action, taken as a last resort does real major things to improve many people's lives, I'm not so worried about the state of souls or god's judgment or whatever... But obviously, not everyone has to have my outlook.
Oh, come on, Ninapendamaishi, nobody believes that the 'frozen' bit was anything other than a reference to 'hurr hurr she's from Alaska clearly her vagina must be frozen', maybe with a little bit of 'frigid bitch' lumped in. The tone of the whole post is hostile, and the people trying to pretend it isn't just look silly.
"Oh, come on, Ninapendamaishi, nobody believes that the 'frozen' bit was anything other than a reference to 'hurr hurr she's from Alaska clearly her vagina must be frozen', maybe with a little bit of 'frigid bitch' lumped in."
Well, I understand the 'frigid bitch' reference, thanks. But if a woman actually wants to take away millions of girls' and women's sexual freedom, I think the 'frigid' label may actually apply...
regarding sexual feelings towards palin, you have to be kidding. you do understand tongue in cheek humor, right?
and to "judith jewcakes":
in some deep, dark recesses of you perfectly politically correct brain...if you don't find the slightest bit of humor in this [although you know its completely wrong and anti- feminist, I do understand that] then you are a true saint.
"regarding sexual feelings towards palin, you have to be kidding."
Why? Plenty of people really do have sexual feelings towards Palin. I see no reason to doubt that Ms. Cho really has some...
my sentiments do not contradict that, I am simply stating that Cho's purpose was tongue and cheek. She wasn't trying to come out to the world and tell everyone that she wants to fuck Palin. I think that is made pretty clear by the nature of her jokes. This IS NOT saying that she DOESN'T want to, all I am pointing out is that Cho really wasn't talking about herself in a personal manner. She is a c-o-m-e-d-i-a-n. It is her j-o-b.
and as for the comments regarding who cares about POWS, and the vietnam war because of its anti-woman, anti-feminist ideals, do you think that the men who served had any choice? No, they didn't. Don't hate the individual, hate the institution and those who were in power. Hating men for serving in Vietnam is no different than hating racists, hating women, etc. It's ignorant.
While I find her comments all kinds of icky, the good news is that she isn't a politician. When it comes to famous people, I don't expect their opinions to be any less stupid than the rest of the population. If they say something really thoughtful and insightful, I'm pleasantly surprised, but that means there's hope for the rest of us. I don't know her to be the most brilliant commentator on current events & politics...I do, however, find it odd that if a male comedian had said the same things how much different the reaction would have been. Maybe some people might think it's "OK" to talk that way about Palin because Cho said it. Hmm.
"in some deep, dark recesses of you perfectly politically correct brain...if you don't find the slightest bit of humor in this [although you know its completely wrong and anti- feminist, I do understand that] then you are a true saint."
Gotta say, I'm pretty tired of anyone telling me that if I don't find something funny, I'm inhuman/frigid/pretentious/stuck up. I thought I only got that from the anti-feminists.
No, I don't find it funny. Sorry!
"I do, however, find it odd that if a male comedian had said the same things how much different the reaction would have been. Maybe some people might think it's "OK" to talk that way about Palin because Cho said it. Hmm."
Why? A few people stated that someone expressing lust about Obama is not the same as someone expressing lust for Palin, because of the ways women's and men's sexuality are treated differently in our culture.
So why wouldn't it also be different for a man to do the expressing than for a woman to do the expressing?
Cho doesn't have the general gender power and sexual power in our culture the way a man would...
I agree with her. :) Go Cho. Yeah it's way overboard but for a reason...and it's funny. Have any of you read her response to this article??
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=30965431&blogID=435388279
I agree with her. :) Go Cho. Yeah it's way overboard but for a reason...and it's funny. Have any of you read her response to this article??
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=30965431&blogID=435388279