*BARRRFFFFF*

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

oh my, Donny Deutsch is so not fit to give financial advice... i mean, really, there are a few decent pointers on CNBC, but most of them come in the form of graphs, not their idiotic sportcaster-style financial reporting... and where do they get off (a) talking about politics in a fashion totaly unrelated to finance and (b) talking about branding without even understanding what the word means?

horrific... and the cereal box graphic thing. wow.

Newsflash to Donny Deutsch (or is it douche?): A woman's ability or experience is not measured by how fuckable she is. The sad thing is, many people do vote based on their perceptions of the candidate and how likable they are, even if that candidate takes positions that are antithetical to their interests.

Conservatives like Sarah Palin not only because she wears a skirt and suckles a baby at her breast, but because she is exactly where they believe a woman ought be: behind a man.

I want to hit him. HIT HIM.

Ugh. And herein lies the problem fo double standards. Or perhaps, just plain old hypocrisy.

Hillary has been known to wear skirts in the past, particularly when she was first lady. And then people would criticize her body, her fat ankles (an insult that I've never fully understood), and her 'cankles'.

Perhaps the constant body scrutiny has lead Ms. Clinton to wear only pants in public. I know if I was subject to the public lens like that, I would want full body cover up.

When Clinton tried to put forth a more 'feminine' image and wear a softer top, it was criticized as Cleavage baring and vulgar. For the record, Clinton was wearing a business type blouse under a jacket, not something more at home in a night club.

And so, Clinton got criticized no matter what she wore. Pant suit? Too matronly. Skirt? Look at those cankles! There was no winning.

Enter Sarah Palin. She's not scarey because she wore a skirt! It's as if being physically attractive necessarily makes one a better leader.

Women are being held to an impossibly high standard, that the MSM is touting as feminism. You must have a successful career. You must be a good mother, though what this means is open to interpretation. (Note that being a good mother also implies being a good wife and all of the heterosexual normatives that go with it.) And you must be physically attractive. Somehow you are a failure as a woman if you fail to accomplish all of these things to the satisfaction of the mainstream media.

Ugh. So much wrong with that I barely know where to start. The objectification, the misguided insistence that she appeals to some kind of feminist ideal, the cheap Reagan-dropping...

I think my favourite bit comes right towards the end (around 3:17) where he says something like "liberals are going to say 'issues this' and 'issues that'...but it's not about that!" Right. An election isn't about issues at all, it's about how well you package your product, apparently. (Also, "Palin-Os?") Would he even think to talk about packaging and product in quite so demeaning a way if he were talking about McCain?

Of course half of his reasons deal with physical characteristics...what good is a woman if she can't look good in a skirt? So gross.

This is just depressing. I think I actually need to stop paying attention to election coverage just to keep myself sane. And that's really sad.

At least they're finally admitting that they see women as objects.

I was afraid the next segment would include an actual pimp explaining "how to sell a woman."

I distinctly remember the ridicule and bile thrown at the women who dared to say they voted for Bill Clinton because he was good looking. They were silly, frivolous ninnies who shouldn’t be allowed to vote since they couldn’t be bothered with the issues.

But apparently, when a man votes with his penis instead of on the issues, well, that’s just biology.

Oh yeah, this is TOTALLY new! The "NEW" ideal -- a woman being accepted in power because she's sexy! This guy is brilliant, he's definitely hit on something here -- it's totally new and we all need to get on board! Wow, I'm so inspired.

As for this: "She [Palin] talked about energy. Didn't matter! Today everybody's running in circles -- we want to have her over for dinner. I trust her....That's the way people vote." And that's why you've had a complete moron running your country for the past 8 years.

Oh man. And I just ate.

I couldn't watch it all....how disgusting. Talking about how to "sell" a candidate... I would love it if for once I was considered more than just a stupid consumer to be taken advantage of. And the cereal box graphic....lame. Ever since Palin entered the picture election coverage has truly turned into a complete circus act.

"women want to be her, men want to mate with her"

wtf. While we are talking about "Perfect Age"..why not mention how McCain is older than Social Security?

I lost count of how many times he said "feminist ideal."

Please tell me how she is the new "feminist ideal". Apparently, the new "feminist ideal" is the same as the 1950's "ideal wife" repackaged. This would have been helpful to me before I started learning about feminism. Everything I've learned is for naught!

*rolls eyes*

I love how these two old white men are telling feminists what their ideal is.

Men deciding by whether thier dicks get hard is the new feminism? Did I wake up in la-la land this morning?
At least we have video evidence of what sexism is exactly.

Has anyone spoken with actual feminists to find out if Palin is our ideal?

Oh, right, he's a man; he knows all about that feminist stuff.

This Sarah Palin business is so stupid. The right LOVES that they have a "babe" (Rush Limbaugh's description, not mine) running for VP and it's like they're shoving it into our (the hoards of angry feminists) faces and saying "ya'll are just jealous cause she's hot AND powerful" in their never-ceasing-to-be-amazing ignorance of what feminism is.

My favorite line in the segment is "women want to be her, men want to mate with her." I've heard over and over again (growing up a conservative family) that only ugly women become feminists, but I never realized that idiots like Duetsch, like, seriously need to sexualize a woman in order to vote for her. At first I thought that they (republicans) wouldn't take Palin seriously, but for many of them, the fact that she's easy to objectify and a mother makes her much less threatening, in contrast to, for instance, Hillary Clinton. On one hand it makes me sick, and on the other it is deeply saddening and even pathetic.

Well, I certainly don't want to be her.

Anyone else?

"I want her laying next to me in bed. That's the way people vote." No...That's the way jerks with bad grammar and no clue vote. Jerks who apparently believe that all of the American electorate is heterosexual male.

He says women should act like powerful women to get ahead, as opposed to acting like men. What he really means is that women should be attractive and powerful women so that the men notice them. To achieve success, I guess physical attractiveness is necessary, and sometimes sufficient for him.

So many awful premises in his argument.

I wish I could pretend I never saw this...but I did...and on CNBC? WTF? That guy is a joke.

"Nobody objects to a woman being a good writer or sculptor or geneticist so long as she manages to also be a good wife, mother, good-looking, good-tempered, well-dressed, well-groomed and unaggressive." --Marya Mannes

And now we have proof that this is true.

I had someone tell me that feminists don't like Palin because were not "gettin' any". He nearly blew me away with his astounding logic; I had sex with him immediately. Amazingly, I still don't like Sarah Palin. It must be those pesky issues those far left liberals keep bringing up.

"Men deciding by whether thier dicks get hard is the new feminism? Did I wake up in la-la land this morning?
At least we have video evidence of what sexism is exactly."

Great post, ArmyVetJen!

Great quote, Tiffany. I wish it wasn't true.

I guess it comes as no surprise that the same criterion for judging whether or not an actress gets a role unfortunately applies to women presidential and vice presidential candidates: is she f*ckable? Yes - she gets the part. No - she's not valid.
I'd like to be surprised by such blatantly shallow and absurd behavior but the constant bombardment is getting to me.
What to do about that....

Wow, this is the exact opposite of feminism! This guy just kills me! To start, his comments were extremely classist. He was going on and on about how she knows how to dress a family, which takes a lot of money (let's not even go into the campaign's standards...Mrs. McCain).

The he continued by saying the way for women in power to be taken seriously was for them to wear a skirt...he said this was a way for men to "take it in" and women to "celebrate" a female in politics. So apparently a woman has to be deemed fuckable by a man to succeed here. Yes, let's continue to objectify women...that's progress. I guess we shouldn't tell him about all of the other women in politics or that Hillary Rodham Clinton is actually a U.S. senator. On top of that it is like he is acting like Clinton and Palin were somehow running mates...which they were TOTALLY not.

Finally, if a woman talked about Obama or Biden in this manner..."oh they are going to be great because I can see them in bed with me"...they would be shunned and put down for "not knowing" anything about politics and not taking the process seriously.

This guy should be on the list for a Fuck you Friday!

I would put a knife to my throat before I would defend that ...woman...on any level. Damn her twice.

Senator Clinton doesn't wear skirts for the same reason I don't...fat ankles.

how do people get so dumb?

Ugh!Do we have to give a crap about sexism aimed at Palin. Its like worrying about mud getting on a toad. Its her natural enviornment and she uses it as spin to cover for her own incompetence as a politician.I mean Palin is a sexism watch. Shes the sexist, and Palin does incporporates just as much sexism as these tv guests.

Anybody else think her hairstyle looks uber freaky?

"women want to be her".................................. Just for the record, I don't want to be like Sarah Palin.

Oh ye Gods... here we go again with the fetishizing of Sarah Palin, though a little more literally this time.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/09/09/mistress_palin/index.html

I'm glad this eventually got attention from feministing, but, I'm a little confused... I tried to post this to the feministing community this past Saturday and it disappeared into moderator-land, never to go up?

This is a ridiculous analysis. It misses the mark for two main reasons. First, it clearly reeks of pervasive sexism. Just disgusting. Second, even following the commentator's logic -- that Palin in physically attractive, desirable, a super mom, etc. -- it mentions nothing about her policy. Sadly, this is the sort of hollow analysis I have grown to expect from the mainstream American media.

This is a ridiculous analysis. It misses the mark for two main reasons. First, it clearly reeks of pervasive sexism. Just disgusting. Second, even following the commentator's logic -- that Palin in physically attractive, desirable, a super mom, etc. -- it mentions nothing about her policy. Sadly, this is the sort of hollow analysis I have grown to expect from the mainstream American media.

The most idiotic part was when he said she was "the right age, 44." Why haven't Senators Clinton, McCaskill, and Bailey-Hutchinson thought of that? They could have been so much more powerful if they'd only had the BALLS to travel backwards through time. Apparently when Palin is 60 her political career will be over.

How did McCain manage to become a presidential nominee? I don't think anyone wants to fuck him.

The most idiotic part was when he said she was "the right age, 44." Why haven't Senators Clinton, McCaskill, and Bailey-Hutchinson thought of that? They could have been so much more powerful if they'd only had the BALLS to travel backwards through time. Apparently when Palin is 60 her political career will be over.

How did McCain manage to become a presidential nominee? I don't think anyone wants to fuck him.

The most idiotic part was when he said she was "the right age, 44." Why haven't Senators Clinton, McCaskill, and Bailey-Hutchinson thought of that? They could have been so much more powerful if they'd only had the BALLS to travel backwards through time. Apparently when Palin is 60 her political career will be over.

How did McCain manage to become a presidential nominee? I don't think anyone wants to fuck him.

God created man and woman

woman are wonderful and soft and strong

and smart

Real men are what real woman need
men that are faithful men that are honest

men that are HOT in bed but ONLY want ONE woman to be hot for

my dad raised four children alone without money
and without a woman

since we were seven four two and three days old
HE loved us took care of us and provided for us

he is fourty one now and has been alone since he was twenty eight
and all i see is woman that are turning out to be the control freaks they complain and bitch that men are
well world war three is coming
and when it does we will see how many feminists are running the guns tanks
jets
and how many woman will be caring loving
and cleaning up the the injured from all the bombs and missles and war

www.henrymakow.com is a good site to get informed

I wonder how the woman that killed her baby
in the microwave was raised??????????????
i know lets blame the boyfriend for arguing
with her whether he was the father or not
thats a great reason why she KILLED HER BABY
hoooora for feminism

I do not think that Palin should be wearing this especially because she is running for vice president of the republican side. This is totally unnecessary people in office should should dress conservatively especially because the are the leader of our country.

I do not think that Palin should be wearing this especially because she is running for vice president of the republican side. This is totally unnecessary people in office should should dress conservatively especially because the are the leader of our country.

A "JERK" is a jerk no matter what party they are on. Sarah is just a person - not a 'primal appeal' product! Hillary is a sharp articulate woman, yet her pantsuits were still the object of discussion - what crap!! Now we care what clothes Sarah Palin wears --- Puuleeze!! Skirt, pants, bathrobe - who cares? -- what matters is her policy.

One other thing, just because Sarah is a Republican does not mean she is not smart or deserving of respect. Where people get the idea that Republicans think women are stupid is beyond me! Well, maybe Rush Limbaugh, but he is an egotistical dinosaur - not an age thing, a mindset. John McCain at 72 is more open minded than Limbaugh!

Commentators like Donny Deutsch have little to offer - they are 'entertainment' - and not good at that either:)

A "JERK" is a jerk no matter what party they are on. Sarah is just a person - not a 'primal appeal' product! Hillary is a sharp articulate woman, yet her pantsuits were still the object of discussion - what crap!! Now we care what clothes Sarah Palin wears --- Puuleeze!! Skirt, pants, bathrobe - who cares? -- what matters is her policy.

One other thing, just because Sarah is a Republican does not mean she is not smart or deserving of respect. Where people get the idea that Republicans think women are stupid is beyond me! Well, maybe Rush Limbaugh, but he is an egotistical dinosaur - not an age thing, a mindset. John McCain at 72 is more open minded than Limbaugh!

Commentators like Donny Deutsch have little to offer - they are 'entertainment' - and not good at that either:)

Pleaseeeeee. You so called "feminists" are killing me.

Just because a woman is attractive and dress femininely, is smart, tough, religious, loves the outdoors, and has conservative beliefs does not mean that she demeans or belittles women!

If she were an attractive man, do you not think that he would wear tailored suits that enhance his masculinity?

Webster definition of "feminism" is
1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2 : organized activity on behalf o