AWWWW, is poor John Hagee afraid of women who bring home the bacon?

He just condemned working women who are trying to support their families just as men do. What next? They should be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant?

Well, my husband will be a stay-at-home dad/college student when I get a job. I guess we have nothing to worry about since he won't be sitting on his butt... he'll be taking our daughter to school, volunteering there, teaching our son his colors and shapes, playing with him, and doing his share of the housework - like, you know, a lot of stay-at-home moms do.

I'm wondering if he's insinuating something here. I've seen girls at the school I work at taunt boys for "acting like girls" but I wonder if something is at work here. I wonder if he's playing TEH GAY card here also...maybe i'm seeing too much in these comments, I don't know.

I can't believe the stay at home moms in his congregation weren't completely offended. Maybe they were, but aren't allowed to speak.

"God calls you a bum"

I didn't realize God spoke that way. Aren't we all God's children and all that jazz? Or am I thinking about the wrong religion?

Evangelist says...

Stopped reading right there.

Stay-at-home dads are awesome. Nothing cooler than a guy who's comfortable enough in his own skin to break the mouldm leave behind all that anxious masculinity crap, and not care if he gets called 'gay' for it.

Enlightened, nope. Maybe in your 40th lifetime after this one John Hagee.

I like how love is ultimately the truth and many religions have turned this into..."your going to hell and damnation," "sinner"..."guilty, shameful, digesting..."

everything to take you away from your basic goodness and integrity...

hahah "digesting..." I meant to say disgusting... LOL

The whole thing is disturbing, but it really bothers me that he talks about stay-at-home men as letting their wives support them. For one there is nothing wrong with a woman providing the financial support, but more importantly the stay-at-home spouse provides a lot of support in other ways. With my career goals, I think one of the most supportive things I could find in a partner would be a man willing to stay at home with any kids we had so that I could work without worrying about what kind of care our children would have.

Really, condemned to hell for raising your children? How can people really believe that?

That doesn't even fall in line with anything christianity is about.

Someone is getting a little too uppity with their power to declare certain activities 'condemned-to-hell-bad' or 'not-really-supposed-to-do-that-bad'.

Quack Quack Quack.

I like how the congregation is laughing. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm kind of disturbed by it.

So, taking care of your home and your children all day is "sitting on your ass". I'm wondering how many women in the audience agreed with that statement, and how many of those same women who were stay at home moms would classify that as what THEY do all day.

We're constantly told that raising children is the "highest" calling a woman has and it's damned important to the family structure but when a man does it, he's a "bum" and he's lazy.

...For doing the EXACT SAME THING.

I think this goes more towards what they actually think of the job of motherhood than anything. They praise it to high heaven when it's "woman's" work, but when a man does it he's gonna go to hell. And I know if you were to tell a stay at home mom she was lazy and a bum, she'd be rightly pissed at you.

When he says "God calls you a bum," doesn't he really mean "I call you a bum"?

i was going to post something but ultramagnus got all my talking points.

id like to see what hagee does all day. then we can compare lists. and id like to, rhetorically, see the rest of the sermon to get the context. not that it would make it any better.

Yeah, it's really insulting to say that the stay-at-home spouse is a bum who sits on ass all day. Keeping up with kids is exhausting, and housework is no picnic either.

Is this the same religion that's always talking about "family values"? Way to value families, Hagee.

BTW, Hagee is from my home town and he snorts coke. Everyone knows it but no one says it.

"You call yourself Mr. Mom; God calls you a bum."

I LOVE IT!

Also, what the Bible said? Totally referred to men who didn't support their family, wherein a man not supporting his family meant they starved. The Bible said women couldn't work (outside the home, having as many children as her husband wants), too, but there's a big difference between stay-at-home dad, and deadbeat dad.

This is the same dickhead who claims god sent Hitler to drive the Jews out of Europe.

I KNEW those traditional-values fuckers thought their stay-at-home wives/mothers weren't really doing any actual work, and that the SAHM phenom was really just a plot to boost the patriarchal ego. I KNEW IT ALL ALONG.

... must vent rage ...

P.S., nightingale: Actually, nowhere in the Bible are we told that women should not work, IIRC. Re: the Proverbs 31 woman ("her arms are strong for her tasks"). I hate it when people mess up my religion.

nightingale again - My comment about messing up my religion was directed at HAGEE, not you! Sorry how that came out!

And furthermore, I want to know what's up with #8 Horse Gate.

So I suppose Hagee thinks that men with disabilities which prevent them from taking regular work -- like my husband and the husband of one of my co-workers -- shouldn't get married or have kids?

What an ignorant ass.

Crap like this pisses me off SO MUCH.
I take it as a personal insult because my dad was a stay at home dad, and he volunteered in the PTA, Girl Scouts, a million other activities my sister and I were involved with. My mom worked because she made more money.
Since I was raised that way, I know that's not the "normal" situation, but I see it as the normal, and actually, preferred situation...because I sure as hell don't want to stay home with babies! Even though it's good that some women want to. :-) It's just not for me.

Taking care of your kids is "sitting on your ass"? Does Hagee have children, or has he ever been around them at all?

He must not have much faith in men if he thinks they can't stay home and still be responsible parents.

Well, I'm looking forward to my hubby being a SAHD. Our plans may change by the time we get there, but it's certainly an option we've discussed. We like the choice because a) childcare is ridiculously expensive, b) we want to spend as much time with our children as we can, and c) I will be earning more money than he will at that point. I think fathers that want to be involved with the hands on day-to-day stuff should be applauded and encouraged, not condemned.

Also, Hagee is one major asshat, so I don't really give a shit what he thinks.

Hagee works under the assumption that a woman's place is in the home and a man should be working; no news there. But by following this logic he assumes a woman would still be doing the housework, even if she has a job and dad stays home. It follows that a SAHD is lazy, because his wife works a full-time job and does the housework, while dad doesn't do shite.

You need to subscribe to a whole bunch of sexist assumptions to follow the warped logic of his statement.

"God calls you a bum"

How long until God strikes down Hagee for his presumption and pride? Pride is a sin, Reverend Hagee, and you've just committed it by claiming to speak for God. You better start repenting fast.

People like this piss me off. They give Christianity a bad name. If a man or woman chooses to say at home, care for the children, and manage the household as a means of supporting their family then good for them. All of this is work and sometimes it is more economical for one parent to stay at home than to pay for childcare, and other services. Besides, we aren't living in the first century. I find it strange that anyone would take literal advice for running a household from something close to 2,000 years old.

I've been lurking for weeks now, but this one takes the cake for me. My hubby is a SAHD. Daycare is so expensive, along with the cost of gas, maintaining two cars, etc, we were actually LOSING money having both of us work. We decided that one of us should stay home. I make more money and I love my job as a legal advocate for a rape crisis center, so here we are.
I also think it has been enormously beneficial for our daughters having a stay at home parent, regardless of that parent's gender. One set of rules, one set of values, and I trust my sitter! We have so many people marvel at how well behaved the girls are, and I feel that the consistancy in rules and values helps. My 2 1/2 year-old is GOOD! If you can pull it off, and if you can tolerate it (I don't think I could do it), it's an amazing experience.
People like John Hagee and his "flock" don't know what they're missing.

OMG, women in power? What next?

This one made my "bum" of a husband laugh.

I always find it amazing the way people such as this man are able to take random texts from the Bible, written centuries ago, and twist them so that they appear to apply to modern social constructs. The nuclear family of a working man, stay-at-home isolated mother taking on full domestic responsibilities, (often with extended family far away), is a very recent institution. The irony is it doesn't even really exist as the norm in modern times (if it ever has), but that is what this guy's problem is. All other definitions of "family" don't count, only his, because according to him, it's sanctioned in the Bible. I'm really sure St Paul had the nuclear family of 2008 in mind when he was spreading Christianity all those years ago... If you can get past his sexist rants, (which is pretty hard), what is even more amazing is the way he presents himself as speaking on behalf of St Paul and even God - some contacts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!