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Officer Asshole Shames Teen Girls in School Assembly

Being from this neck of the woods, I had to post on this hogwash. Apparently a Wyoming police officer shamed young women in a high school assembly by analyzing their MySpace profiles as "slutty" and fodder for inmates' masturbation sessions.

The officer, John F. Gay III of the Cheyenne Police Department, picked out six or seven Windsor High School students' MySpace page and began to criticize photos, comments and other content until one student left the room crying

"He told the entire student body that he had shared her info with a sexual predator in prison," said Ty Nordic, whose daughter Shaylah Nordic's MySpace page was put on display.

I imagine Officer Asshole thought he was utilizing one of those scared straight approaches. Instead he demonstrated what an insensitive and sexist person he really is. When the adult who is both in a position of authority and charged with "protecting" teenagers manages to blame them for their own vulnerability, sexually harass them, and, even more, elicit (or at least pretend to) sexual predators...well, it just seems like grounds for firing and a major re-education effort among fellow police officers.

Has anyone seen non-sexist interventions that educate teenagers about online safety? I imagine a lot of the current curriculum on this stuff tends towards the "blame the victim" mentality.

Thanks to Erin for the heads up.

Posted by Courtney - August 21, 2008, at 09:47AM | in Harassment , Technology

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[0+] Author Profile Page biancamarissa said:

As is frequently the case, many of the comments to this article are horrible.

[0+] Author Profile Page Lilly said:

John F. Gay III is a pig!

[0+] Author Profile Page thebeatles11 said:

Wow. Forget actually teaching kids about internet safety, let's just tell 'em inmates beat off to their pictures!

[0+] Author Profile Page Logrus said:

Sarah Silverman on law enforcement:

Policeman: "Ms. Do you know why I'm writing you this ticket?"

Sarah Silverman: "Because you had a C average in high-school?"


Fact: Violent assault is the lowest it has been in 35 years.

Fact: Reporting and sensationalizing of violent crime is at it's highest.

Fact: People who watch televised news reports on crime or are unaware of the actual number of violent crimes being committed are more likely to vote for increased law enforcement.

Speculation: Fear and intimidation is good for business.

Fact: Domestic abuse among law enforcement is at or among the highest for any profession.

F.T.P.

[0+] Author Profile Page wickedwench said:

If the point was to "scare them straight" instead of slut-shame, why were no boys' myspace pages used?

You can't tell me that none of the boys had personal information and pictures up on their sites.

And biancamarissa is right--per usual many of the comments on the news site are pretty horrendous. I think the comment that was most telling was the one that said something to the effect of:

Don't forget the point here. These girls are dressing like prostitues.

Um, I thought the "point" was to teach Internet safety. Oops, I guess that wasn't really the point afterall...

Perphaps this is the most horrible thing that a police officer can do, speaking from person whose father is a marine cop in Hong Kong. Although I can imagine how some of the MySpace stuff is on the edgy, but still if the person isn't intent to search it up, how can u really dig up a info about a person?
[b]Besides, a police possibly giving out an underage info to a sexual predator in prison and that guy is masterbating to her picture, isnt that a huge legal issue already? If the polica office's word is truth and that girl is sexual assault, he is already commiting crime becausing by "a person causes the rape by a third person". [/b]

Not at all surprised to read this entry, after all police don't actively investigate crimes committed against sex trade workers so why should we surprised when they try to enforce the whole be a good girl, keep yourself pure ideology?

Not at all surprised to read this entry, after all police don't actively investigate crimes committed against sex trade workers so why should we surprised when they try to enforce the whole be a good girl, keep yourself pure ideology?

"Scared straight" programs are scary, just like "tough love" is tough.

There's a big difference between blaming the victim, and educating potential victims. Many years ago rental car companies eliminated the "Hertz" stickers which marked their cars after a rash of carjackings which targeted rental cars on the presumption that such drivers were tourists. To say that the rental car stickers made the drivers a mark is not to blame the drivers. Its just a fact.

Everyone needs to understand the behaviors which make them more likely to be targeted & taken advantage of by criminals.

[0+] Author Profile Page punnie replied to sly :

Hertz even got Car Rental in Israel so this kind of worldwide marketing is a other thing.

A police officer gave details of a teenage girl to a convicted sex offender for masturbatory purposes, and then tells her (in front of everyone she knows) that this guy is going to hunt her down and rape her once he's released, because she's a slut?

My work internet won't let me see the comments, somehow, but if there's anyone out there that thinks this might somehow not be worth firing (and probably arresting) him over, then I pity them.

This guy was way out of line. There would be better ways to go about this.

I myself have used scared straight tactics, once a girl in a chat room gave us her phone number and full name unsolicited. We drew a map to her house and freaked her out.

Most recently I joked about telling my little cousin's parents when he admitted to smoking weed on his facebook profile. I'm pretty sure he's never even seen weed, because no one who actually engages in illegal activity thinks it is cool to tell the entire internet about it. (I don't think I made much of an impression. But at least he's been warned. 16 year olds are the worst.)

Regarding that last point about blaming the victim, I think that cases like this are a little different. I have a hard time sympathizing for the drama that young people get themselves into for putting stupid, dumb asinine bullshit on their myspaces/facebooks. It's one of those social darwinism things, really - if you are just so postmodern you can't understand the boundaries of privacy, you deserve that shitstorm headed your way. I hear all the time about teen girls at the school my mother teaches at living out some interbutt drama during school hours and have absolutely zero sympathy. The school should take a hardline approach by blaming them for behavior they consciously enabled.

Obviously, being predated on is a different matter, but even then, you have to wonder what goes through the mind of some people that put themselves in such a dangerous position online. Not much, apparently.

[0+] Author Profile Page Logrus said:

sly:

That Hertz example is not even remotely analogous.

1) Attacks on that specific group were actually on the rise; this is not the case with sexual or other violent assault in general.

2) Tourists were not told to cease to be tourists, or made to be ashamed of being tourists, nor were they lied to about Hertz giving out their hotel reservation information to thieves. Hertz simply removed a sticker/tag from cars. This was an act completely invisible to the target group.

And "scared straight" implies the subject is in the wrong. Those programs are intended to teach juvenile offenders that the minor criminality they are currently engaged in is where most people in prison began. Your argument comparing the two is absolutely making the statement that these kids are doing something illegal or otherwise "wrong", classic victim blaming.

"Tough Love" is another spurious association. "Tough Love", like "scared straight" programs is designed or intended for kids who have been engaged in asocial or criminal conduct and whom have been unresponsive to compassionate education. You don't start with "tough love", you start with factual information. Unless you're a sick sadistic asshole.

[0+] Author Profile Page Logrus said:

Shinobi: "because no one who actually engages in illegal activity thinks it is cool to tell the entire internet about it."

Is this your first week online? Allow me to direct you to YouTube, where people smoke dope in church:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1-GSQvWjkY

or Give drugs to toddlers:

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn30meB1Dvw&feature=related

And a myriad of other asshattery, including assault and vandalism.

MySpace is no different.

[0+] Author Profile Page Logrus said:

tofu.mon.amour:

You know who else I have a problem with? People who don't lock their doors. Fuck those guys, when someone robs them or does a violent home invasion I just say to myself "Hey, Social Darwinism, they should have known better. And sympathy is expensive so I won't waste it on those jerks."

Oh, and women out by themselves at any time, they must have it coming too. And uppity coloreds who speak up about civil rights when they are being oppressed! I mean thy should have known better, if they were being oppressed they you would think they would know it was dangerous to speak up about it.

Social Darwinism is a system that justifies the oppression of the powerless as a "natural state". It's also been co-opted by various eugenics movements and racial hate groups. But if that's the philosophy you want to run with, enjoy it.

Unless you were confusing it with Objectivism (Ayn Rand), which I'm not a fan of either but it's not so absolutely disgusting as Social Darwinism.

Whoa, whoa, what the fuck are you talking about? Sorry if that wasn't clear enough, but I was only using social Darwinism snarkily. My only point is that this doing stupid stuff publicly on the internet (har har) is NOT the same as blaming a woman for dressing sexily, getting drunk, and being raped. Which, when the poster says "blaming the victim", sounds like its being equated to.

[0+] Author Profile Page Lisa said:

I honestly don't even have anything to add. I just wanted to respond by saying how fucking horrifying this is. Even if it was much more benign, without the sexism and slut-shaming, singling individuals out in front of the entire school to analyze their mistakes is completely inappropriate. But this is SO wrong. I know this guy won't get fired, but hopefully he's at least relegated to desk work.

[0+] Author Profile Page Logrus said:

tofu.mon.amour:

Ok, I'll take your word that you were kidding about SD.

But you're still going with victim blaming. You're saying that even to a degree the perfectly legal conduct of these potential victims somehow acts to mitigate the responsibility of a potential attacker. This is no different from people who say women who are dressed nice or have been drinking share responsibility for attacks.

I may be safer from being mugged if I never leave my home, but I'm not sharing the blame for a mugging just because I could have possibly avoided it through agoraphobia.

Also there is absolutely no proof that having a "sexy" picture on MySapce increases the odds of being a victim. But by claiming thee is people who wish to control the, again, perfectly legal behavior of others but who have been unable to do so through other means are finding a way to scare people into behaving in a manner they find more acceptable.

This is no different that when people lie for voted by saying "A vote for Obama is a vote for terror", it's not true but they rely on the poor research skills or downright intellectual laziness of the subject to allow them to get away with it.

And having a cop do the job of a parent or an educator is one of the first steps to establishing a police state.

[0+] Author Profile Page John said:

I'm not even going to try to defend what the officer did, however I will make this point.

People (Teens included. They should know better) need to be responsible for their actions online. Obviously I'm not saying "They were asking for it", however I am saying that doing stupid things will come back to haunt you, and Posting private information online is incredibly stupid! Absolutely nothing you do online is private, the moment you connect consider your computer a open book, because that is pretty much what it is.

Here's what I consider to be a good example. Chances are, some of you have heard of the group 'anonymous'. They stage 'raids' on websites they disagree with, and one of their biggest intimidation tactics is the posting of private and personal information online. Most of this isn't gathered by doing any 'super hacking', it's found going through peoples whois information and scouring social networking sites. Like myspace, like facebook.

Bottom line, no one asks to be raped, killed, maimed, etc etc. However if you can't be intelligent about how you use the net, maybe you shouldn't use it at all.

I'm talking in a more general sense about what people put on their personal pages. I also don't think that having a sexy picture increases your odds of being attacked, nor do I have any data about what does. Nor do I really know what, without actual online contact with the victim, spurs sexual predators to attack someone. But - correct me if I'm wrong - I bet that most internet-based predations involve the complicity of the victim, either by engaging in a dialogue with the creeper or not being smart about restricting their personal information like any normal person.

To me, this doesn't mitigate the responsibility of the attacker, but it does place blame on the victim for being a stupid fucker. This IS different then leaving your house or any other setup for a conventional rape/assault/whatever. Because the victim consciously chose to unnecessarily and without good reason share the personal info that allowed her attacker to predate on her.

But even then, still, this fits into a larger framework of how teenagers are dipshits whose online stupidities constantly spill out into the real world at school or what have you. It's all because they simply don't understand what boundaries are, and the confounding thing is that there's NO excuse for them not to. You go cybering in a chatroom or answer a craigslist ad and end up meeting someone and getting raped, well, don't say nobody told you so.

And your last quip about the police state is just absurd. A police officer is in a perfect place to explain this to someone as they're the ones that have to deal with it frequently. Just not like this failtard who should be arrested for putting a young girl at risk.

Let me rephrase that Logrus.

"No one who actually engages in illegal activity thinks it is cool to tell the entire internet about it, unless they are a complete idiot."

Better? I guess I just had hopes that no one in my family was actually that stupid. Fortunately, they are not blood relatives.

[0+] Author Profile Page Logrus said:

John: Sorry for the digression here but just to clarify:

Of the very few directed attacks Anon has done the most notable was on a young wannabe who asked Anon to get dirt on his ex girlfriend. He petitioned channers and Anon to go after her. So in turn some associates hacked him and pranked him (some were a bit menacing about it, but at no time was he physically contacted other than via telephone). And this was not an official act of Anon. It was not done with approval or consensus, just that nobody ever said "don't do that".

Mostly Anon does culture jamming exercises (like flooding 2nd life or other cyber-graffiti) and trying to expose Scientology as a dangerous cult.

Anonymous is very much an anarchistic community, or a cooperative.

Otherwise I agree that it's unwise to have too much faith in the security of your information. I just don't think it's fair to call Anon out or associate them with victimizing people like this. That's not what Anon is really about, that's just what FOX News wants people to believe.

[0+] Author Profile Page JennyP said:

Where was this girl's mother, or parents, for that matter? Why aren't they monitoring her internet usage? The police officer was very wrong to do this publicly. If he really cared, he would have contacted her parents privately. The embarrassment will probably stick with her for a long time, for better or worse. Common sense starts at home...sounds like her family could use some!

It's also quite bothersome that he singled out girls...boys are doing these sorts of things too.

And why would a convicted sexual predator be allowed have internet access in prison anyway? Or maybe the officer just showed the felon a printout of the page? The article doesn't specify. My head is going to f*cking explode if it is true that I am paying for sex offenders to spank it to teen girls whilst they surf MySpace.

[0+] Author Profile Page Eddie said:

This is exactly why I don't live in Wyoming anymore. Well, maybe not exactly, but close enough.

[0+] Author Profile Page allegra said:

If anyone wants to write a letter to the police chief, his address is cpdchief@cheyennepd.org . And the department's website is here: http://www.cheyennecity.org/index.asp?NID=1007 . They bill themselves as a "progressive agency of 106 sworn officers and 27 civilian employees." Progressive my ass.

I wrote the chief a letter. I would not want an officer with views like this dealing with my friend or family member's rape or domestic violence case.

[0+] Author Profile Page allegra said:

If anyone wants to write a letter to the police chief, his address is cpdchief@cheyennepd.org . And the department's website is here: http://www.cheyennecity.org/index.asp?NID=1007 . They bill themselves as a "progressive agency of 106 sworn officers and 27 civilian employees." Progressive my ass.

I wrote the chief a letter. I would not want an officer with views like this dealing with my friend or family member's rape or domestic violence case.

Anyway, I still think it is important for educators and parents to teach kids about the dangers of sharing information on the internet. Once it is there, it is there forever, and anyone can see it. There is no guarantee of privacy, and the internet is full of dangerous people.

HOWEVER I do not think this was the appropriate way to go about it.

[0+] Author Profile Page allegra said:

If anyone wants to write a letter to the police chief, his address is cpdchief@cheyennepd.org . And the department's website is here: http://www.cheyennecity.org/index.asp?NID=1007 . They bill themselves as a "progressive agency of 106 sworn officers and 27 civilian employees." Progressive my ass.

I wrote the chief a letter. I would not want an officer with views like this dealing with my friend or family member's rape or domestic violence case.

[0+] Author Profile Page Logrus said:

JennyP:

I think the whole thing about him showing it to a predator was bullshit scare tactics.

Cops will lie to you to get you to comply, it's pretty much a part of the job. "You have to show me ID.", "You can't photograph me.", "No your honor, Mr. King was clearly lunging for my fellow officers.", etc.

[0+] Author Profile Page John said:

@Logrus

I found the fox news story hilarious, but not factual ;). I wasn't calling anonymous out, I frequent many of their sites and find some of their antics incredibly funny. However the point I was trying to make is that people just don't go on a 'hacking spree' and find out your personal data, it's generally only going to be there if you or someone else puts it out.

Perhaps a better example would be the 'Xbox moron' story that took place maybe 6 months ago.

What?

Inmates watching MySpace?

When their phone calls are regularly tapped and they are forbidden to use cell phones, they are allowed internet access?

If this official was corrupt enough to share web information with the inmates regarding minors under his care, who knows what else he does for them. An investigation should be under way for him. Pronto

[0+] Author Profile Page allegra said:

If anyone wants to write a letter to the police chief, his address is cpdchief@cheyennepd.org . And the department's website is here: http://www.cheyennecity.org/index.asp?NID=1007 . They bill themselves as a "progressive agency of 106 sworn officers and 27 civilian employees." Progressive my ass.

I wrote the chief a letter. I would not want an officer with views like this dealing with my friend or family member's rape or domestic violence case.

[0+] Author Profile Page allegra said:

Grr. Sorry for posting the same message 80 times. Technical problems.

I can't help but think about the girls (and boys) in the audience that day who had already been sexually assaulted. That's one of the problems with pulling this 'scared straight' thing on large groups, instead of just targetting those at risk (like taking a group of kids arrested for DUIs to the morgue). You never know who is in the audience, or what they have gone through. How is this slut-shaming going to come across to that girl in the third row who was raped last week?

Shinobi:

"No one who actually engages in illegal activity thinks it is cool to tell the entire internet about it, unless they are a complete idiot."

If the illegal activity is murder or rape, then sure. If, on the other hand, it's smoking a little weed, then a significant portion of the people I know are "complete idiots". Or what about the time I blogged about sending a bottle of wine across state lines via USPS? A friend of mine just posted, publicly, about how he discovered that he'd been driving around on an expired licence, and had even had an accident since it expired.

How many people do you know who are happy to tell the world that they've engaged in illegal copyright infringement?

No one who actually engages in illegal activity that is likely to be prosecuted thinks it is cool to tell the entire internet about it, unless they are a complete idiot.

[0+] Author Profile Page followingthru said:

As someone who is simply horrified by what my nieces post on their myspace pages, I do think that teens need to be made to understand what they are doing when they post things on the internet.

My rather gentle criticism of one of my niece's photos caused her to not even want to speak to me for a while, which showed that she really did not understand what I was trying to say, or what impact the photo might have on her life.

I do not agree with the way the police officer handled this. I don't think that there should have been any mention of "sluttiness." I do not think that individuals should have been singled out, and their pages reviewed in-depth.

However, perhaps I would have no problem with a slideshow of everyone at the assembly's myspace pages playing the background, and speech about how ANYONE with access to the internet can see it. Maybe even displaying a fake page, containing some of the common/average things that teens put on them that are dangerous, and talking about that in-depth would be useful.

[0+] Author Profile Page Misspelled said:

Being careful about what information you post is one thing, but I have a little trouble believing that what you're wearing in your picture really has a great deal of bearing on whether some incarcerated sex offender who has mysteriously been granted access to MySpace gets it in his head to find and rape you. I'm pretty sure that even a guy who's just been paroled and is already out trolling for potential victims is going to be looking for an easy target location-, age- and accessability-wise, not clicking randomly from profile to profile until he finds a girl in a low-cut halter top and only then checking to see whether she lists her hometown and phone number. Which makes the "well, you're asking for it with that outfit" conversation absolutely as irrelevant in this scenario as it is with any other sexual assault. As ever, it's not an issue of safety, it's an issue of preconceived notions of what "good girls" act like.

It's interesting to see what the word "slutty" means to different people. The article says nothing about the girls' clothing. The only reason given for considering one a "slut" (as far as I could tell) was this:

April Rigg, a Windsor High senior, said her MySpace page was also put on display, though she was not at the assembly.

"Me and my best friend are in a lot of those pictures. We have our arms around each other and he was saying that I was touching her," Rigg said other students told her.

Yet many of the comments keep referring to the clothing. Did I miss something?

"However, perhaps I would have no problem with a slideshow of everyone at the assembly's myspace pages playing the background, and speech about how ANYONE with access to the internet can see it. Maybe even displaying a fake page, containing some of the common/average things that teens put on them that are dangerous, and talking about that in-depth would be useful."

I agree. I remember seeing a film made by students at my college; it was thoughtful, provocative, and was able to push toward more subdued internet posting than simply putting up a picture of a girl in a sexual pose and slut-shaming her. It was really a great way to make it clear that people -like campus security and administrators- had access to what many students considered a closed network (the film focused mainly on Facebook), and how pictures and descriptions of actions could be used as reason enough to bust a party or to influence hiring decisions after college.

If the officers had gone more that route, I would have limited problem -especially if they didn't pick out certain girls to harass. But the fact is that this very probably traumatized some of those girls -and not into not putting pictures up on the internet but into not trusting the police.

[0+] Author Profile Page ucsbclassics53 said:

Would it be too hard to educate men and boys to respect women? Perhaps that should be included in any presentation about Internet Safety. Oh what am I thinking? That would be too hard! It's so much easier for this Puritan ethos to condemn girls for "dressing like prostitutes" and then blame them for anything that happens to them.

another issue is that the officer is legitimizing the most common excuse for rape that rape apologists and rapists use...the victim was asking for it. It is demeaning and insulting and perpetuates the dangerous myth that respectable women are NEVER raped. When it comes to educating teens about rape prevention and internet safety, the point should be made that everyone can be a potential victim.

I sincerely hope the Officer was kidding when he said he shared the page with a sex offender...

[0+] Author Profile Page Misspelled said:

couragetospeak -- The very first paragraph of the article says that Gay "called the students 'slutty' and said photos on their sites invited sexual predators."

Later it says that Shaylah Nordic's father says that Gay told his daughter and her classmates that an imprisoned sex offender was going to masturbate to her picture and that her profile page invited him to find, rape and shoot her.

I'd say that pretty well qualifies as slut-shaming.

Logrus' argument just lacks common sense. I don't think this is a case of blaming the victim--ie, 'she looked like she wanted it'. This is a case of a police officer, a little heavy handedly, making it known to naive teenagers the type of online behavior that makes them online prey for stalkers, pervs, etc...

And this BS argument you mount about violent crime falling, ignores the fact: 1) online stalking is rising, not falling; and 2) who cares about falling crime rates if you're the victim of a crime???

I mean, the cop is doing nothing other than saying, use some fucking common sense on the net. You wouldn't give a convicted rapist a lap dance would you? But, according to your logic, maybe that's alright too.

Logrus' argument just lacks common sense. I don't think this is a case of blaming the victim--ie, 'she looked like she wanted it'. This is a case of a police officer, a little heavy handedly, making it known to naive teenagers the type of online behavior that makes them online prey for stalkers, pervs, etc...

And this BS argument you mount about violent crime falling, ignores the fact: 1) online stalking is rising, not falling; and 2) who cares about falling crime rates if you're the victim of a crime???

I mean, the cop is doing nothing other than saying, use some fucking common sense on the net. You wouldn't give a convicted rapist a lap dance would you? But, according to your logic, maybe that's alright too.

Misspelled:

Yes I agree with you. I am just wondering how people came to the conclusion that were dressing like prostitutes. I wasn't making a value judgment, I was honestly wondering where their clothing was specifically discussed.

And by the way, I don't think it matters what they were wearing, I just couldn't figure out where those comments were coming from and wondered if there was more.

[0+] Author Profile Page Logrus said:

sly:

Telling someone they are dressed like a "slut" isn't just victim-blaming, it's also trying to force your own moral guidelines on someone using fear tactics. It's an extension of public shaming, in this case very much public shaming because it was done in front of her/their peers.

"Stalking" rates and reporting have gone up for a number of reasons: 1) it hasn't been a crime in most states until recently. There is no data supporting the activity has sharply increased because there is no real historic recording of non-crimes. 2) For the few years which stalking has been recorded the methods of reporting and the kinds of activity which have been reported as "stalking" have expanded. Hell "stalking" hasn't even been a federal crime for 13 years yet.

The first acts which were considered "stalking" involved physical contact (someone hanging around your home and work), then it began to include what used to be categorized as telephone harassment, now it has begun to include email and other online harassment.

Even if someone were to allow your logic (which I don't) that one may increase the chance of "stalking", the implication being asserted is that you are actually increasing your chances of being the victim of physical assault. If you can prove it quantitatively then I'll go along with it, but I will not take Pascal's wager when it comes to having to sacrifice, or ask others to sacrifice, personal liberty.

"who cares about falling crime rates if you're the victim of a crime?"

You have to kidding. An argument is being put forth that people are at higher risk, but this risk is not substantiated statistically.

Both the Uniform Crime Reporting database and National Incident-Based Reporting System as tracked by the FBI agree that crime is on the decline. The chance of everyone to be the target of violent attack is getting lower, it is not going up.

You're making the same non-argument as people who say violent video games are going to increase crime. There is not only no provable causation there isn't even provable correlation. No. Data. To. Support. Your. Claims.

You're just like every other victim of media hype. You're being led to believe that crime rates are going up because they are being reported more, your exposure to stories about crime has gone up, not actual crime; and you're disturbed by some social trends and are using your false belief in crime rates to justify going after what you want to believe is the cause of the fiction you have chosen to go along with.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm

If someone says "The risk of choking death from eating solid food is not greater for people who eat four meals a day than it is for people who eat three" a logical response is not "Tell that to the family of someone who choked to death!"

You want to make a good argument for why these young women should put on more clothes? Try something easy and less demonstrably false, like: "Boys your age are less likely to treat you like shit if you don't placate their nascent sexuality. It's ok to feel confident about your body, and to enjoy your own developing person hood, but be aware that some people will disrespect you for various reasons."

[0+] Author Profile Page Femgineer said:

"...scrutinized individual students’ MySpace pages, calling the students “slutty” and saying photos on their sites invited sexual predators."


Slutty was out of line. Informing young people that their sites invited sexual predators seems ok. BUT ANY ACTION A YOUNG WOMAN TAKES INVITES SEXUAL PREDATORS. It has nothing to do with how much skin they show in their myspace page.

What happened to this/these girls is traumatic. But really where were their parents when they put their phone numbers on thier myspace pages such that the officer could call one of them????
Too much personal information on the internets is a terrible idea.

On a related note, I just did a google search for my name and the first thing that came up was an amazon.com tag for K-Y Yours And Mine Couples Lubricant. This could be embarrassing if potential managers or my family look me up.
(I know what happened, tags on amazon are public. But this lubricant was not tagged as "lube" which I found strange, so I tagged it. Tag has been deleted.)

[0+] Author Profile Page Morgan La Fey said:

Strangely enough, something similar happened to me in college. According to a friend, his mother did a presentation on internet safety at a school and pulled up my profile to show just how dangerous giving out info can be. What confused me was why they'd pick mine. I had very little identifying information and no scandalous pictures. I still felt a little violated.

I've been considering this issue for a while, as I have a 13 year old daughter who is an internet addict. I cannot monitor everything she does (thank you for blaming the parents, JennyP). It's simply not possible.

One thing I'd like to do is start a service for parents. They could give me their kids' names and I could go hunting for them on the web. See if I can find them. If I do, sit down and have a chat with the kid to show them how easy it was for me to do that.

I'd also like to talk to kids at her school about the issue - letting them know that there's more to safety than not giving out your name and address. For example, if I get chatting with Jane, and she tells me she lives in BC, then tells me she's going to soccer practice at school, and later tells me the name of her team, it really wouldn't be hard for me to figure out what school she goes to. If I really wanted to. From there, it'd be damned easy to find her. Especially if she'd shown me a picture of herself.

No bites from the school. Their librarian gives the talk, and she is CLUELESS. *sigh*

Wow...teaching kids that putting risque pictures of yourself online is not a good idea, because anyone can save your photo and with Photoshop, turn it into whatever you want, including kiddie porn, and distribute it far and wide, and it can be seen by college admissions officers, possible future employers, friends and neighbors, parents, family members...and yes, there are some weirdos out there, so it's just not a good idea.

I'm really sorry these kids' parents didn't teach them that. But it's ridiculous that instead of actually teaching these kids something, he chose to shame girls, call them sluts, and talk about prisoners masturbating to their photos. I'm sure the boys' MySpace pages weren't angelic. What an ass. That has to be against some kind of law, rule...goddamn.

[0+] Author Profile Page MzBitca said:

I'm not really liking the whole "it's the parents fault for not telling them." Don't forget, these are teenagers, they have been warned about dangers of drugs, alcohol, strangers, sex, etc etc and now internet. They can be given information and it doesn't mean they'll make the smart choice. I had to give this talk to girls at college about wanting to get internships and jobs later and to be careful about posting pictures without any privacy guards.

This cop was totally wrong and there's nothing wrong with telling him this but dont' forget as teenages they have a heightened sense of invulnerability and for a lot of them the concept of jobs and resumes down the road is not going to work. because it is going to seem too abstract for them. You monitor as best you can but think of how many things you hid from your parents, or how many situations that could have turned out badly you got yourself involved in.

[0+] Author Profile Page Lisa said:

"Wow...teaching kids that putting risque pictures of yourself online is not a good idea, because anyone can save your photo and with Photoshop, turn it into whatever you want, including kiddie porn, and distribute it far and wide, and it can be seen by college admissions officers, possible future employers, friends and neighbors, parents, family members...and yes, there are some weirdos out there, so it's just not a good idea."

I don't think people photoshopping your face onto kiddie porn is the primary reason to discourage teens from posting personal pictures online. In that case we better keep the kiddies from having candid shots in the school year book!

I can't help but think about the girls (and boys) in the audience that day who had already been sexually assaulted. That's one of the problems with pulling this 'scared straight' thing on large groups, instead of just targetting those at risk (like taking a group of kids arrested for DUIs to the morgue). You never know who is in the audience, or what they have gone through. How is this slut-shaming going to come across to that girl in the third row who was raped last week?
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Even if that pig was making up the bit about giving a convict the girl's information, he is himself a sexual predator and needs to be locked up.

Oh, and that principal needs to be an ex-principal.

One more thing (assuming this asshole was just trying to scare the kid):

I see no difference between this, and if the dickhead had pulled his gun and fired it at students, only to say "Oh it's no big deal, the gun was loaded with blanks -see?"

Officer Gay, you have no business working in a job that brings you into contact with minors, especially if you're going to abuse them as well as your office.

I don't think this officer actually gave an info to prison inmates

BUT

if he did, giving erotic material to a known, convicted sex offender (especially pedophiles or other abusers of minors) is a class A felony. It's inciting abuse.

And yes, it is very very stupid to post your personal info online. But there are such better ways to say that. Like how I just did. No one has the right to humiliate those girls like that. It's blaming, shaming and emotional abuse. Those girls are always going to remember that day. Not as a day that they learned a valuable lesson, but the day when they stopped trusting the police and the day the whole assembly laughed them out of the room. Is the only answer to rape, humiliation? I think not.

Also: Logrus- If you have a newsletter or zine to which I might subscribe, please let me know because everything you say is brilliant.

[0+] Author Profile Page composergirl said:

It's hard to believe he actually gave this info to prison inmates, but regardless, he should be dismissed for humiliating students like that. And if you read the article, he also implied that another girl was "sexually touching" a friend who she merely had her arm around in a picture.

That police offer should be arrested for sexual assault of these girls. Seriously.

It's SO easy to warn teenagers of the dangers of those sites. For one, many know of them already because of concerned parents. All you have to do is to make a FAKE MySpace or Facebook or whatever and show how giving out info such as where you go to school, your DOB, your full name, your photos, where you work etc. could lead someone to you OR could leave you vulnerable to identity theft if you don't set the proper privacy settings. I just read an article about how a lot of Facebook users leave themselves vulnerable to identity theft, and guess what? I strengthened the privacy settings on my account, and removed some information.

And those who don't take precautions shouldn't be made to feel responsible for jerks who go after their information for malicious purposes. Those sites are DESIGNED so that they're less fun if you give out less information. If you don't post your birthday on your Facebook, people won't leave comments with birthday wishes when it rolls around. People create groups specifically looking for phone numbers and addresses. It's easy to see how a naive teenage girl could take a "it's not going to happen to me" attitude so she could get a little bit more out of the website.

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