This baffles me.

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Obviously, we must fight the pro-choicers by cutting down more forests and producing more carbon emissions!!! It's all so clear now.

Um, Ann, you're behind the times. Women are getting abortions to "save the planet."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=495495&in_page_id=1879
and
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312779,00.html

Ha! I wish people would be so selfless as that, to forgo procreation to avoid overpopulation.

In any case, both those articles are about the same person; I'm not seeing a trend.

My god, oenophile, the wording of the first part of the Daily Mail one made me want to gag. "instead of mourning the loss of a family that never was"... "While some might think it strange to celebrate the reversal of nature and denial of motherhood, Toni relishes her decision with an almost religious zeal." ... "While most parents view their children as the ultimate miracle of nature, Toni seems to see them as a sinister threat to the future," and on and on... Ugh.

I couldn't bear to read the whole thing but I'm guessing that these women might use the excuse of environmentalism to justify their lack of desire to want children since no one ever listens to women who say they don't want children (and talks to them with language much like that article uses).

Anyway, I'd deal with the FRC argument but I think I have too many brain cells to figure out what form of logic leads them to these beliefs.

While I do feel pleased that my choosing not to procreate is lightening the dent I will leave on this planet, I see that more as a happy bonus than as an end in and of itself.

I second you Alice, those two "women" as oenophile put it are actually the same person, so it's not "women" who are trending this way, it's one woman. And so fucking what? She decided to have an abortion to help the planet, it still comes down to the simple fact that she didn't want the child. She didn't want any kids, in fact, so she fought long and hard to find someone to tie her tubes so it would never happen again. I applaud her.

This is just plain redunkulous.

It's just such a shame that the people who do decide to do such a thing are the last people we need doing that, which is to say the people able to consider such long-term and abstract concepts as global overpopulation, and then decide to do something selfless about it personally, both being things humans have traditionally had trouble with. That sort of thing should be proliferated, both genotypically by reproduction and environmentally by raising children with such thinking skills and values.

Adoption can certainly help the latter, but people who adopt don't tend to do so with as many children as non-adopters often end up creating themselves.

"since no one ever listens to women who say they don't want children (and talks to them with language much like that article uses)."

...and accuse us of surrendering to "the Marching Morons" or accuse us of surrendering to Nazi eugenics (depending on whether the one of us being accused is rich and white or isn't).

And of course, Mina, there's the converse of your last statement: the people who are pushing as hard as possible for (healthy-looking, usually shorthanded by "healthy") progressives need to become veritable environmentalist-factories. Because values are apparently only transmitted by birth.

Personally, I've always dreamed of driving a fetus-powered automobile.

That makes no goddamn sense. Feminism isn't doubling the amount of jobs that is available...

And that first article that oenphile linked to was horribly written. Why was each sentence a new paragraph?

Alice you're tiptoeing towards eugenics.

Meh, I'd be advocating eugenics if I thought I had a solution. As it is I'm just idling lamenting the existence of the problem. Realistic solutions will almost certainly not involve the use of selective pressures, which is what is generally thought of when eugenics is brought up.

Using this logic, you could probably trace all ills known to human kind back to feminism if you try hard enough. So the answer for these chaps is for us to stay at home, but make sure we don't procreate...only then can we call ourselves true eco warriors. I'm going to go and sit in the cupboard under the stairs, not getting pregnant. My carbon footprint is going to be so darn tiny!!

"And of course, Mina, there's the converse of your last statement: the people who are pushing as hard as possible for (healthy-looking, usually shorthanded by 'healthy') progressives need to become veritable environmentalist-factories. Because values are apparently only transmitted by birth."

Your post reminded me a little of the Onion article "We Must Preserve The Earth's Dwindling Resources For My Five Children": http://www.theonion.com/content/node/49845

Hee! I love that Onion article. Sadly, I've seen people put nearly the same forward without a hint of irony.

The "we progressives have to outbreed the great unwashed!" has such a creepy tone to me. It's just as ridiculous as the ultra-right "gotta outbreed the brown people!", but with an added touch of hypocrisy that really makes it pop.

Come on, haven't any of you folks seen Idiocracy?

http://imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

Hilarious stuff.

I think the proper term is
"Femvironmentalist whores"

Jeeze guys. Haven't you heard? Needle the fetus, feed the forest!

But really, a lot of the discourse around environmental advocacy cites population control as a way of reducing our carbon footprint on the planet- and the communities that are targeted are often living in third world countries. This means government sponsored sterilization on vast numbers of women who do not have access to non-permanent birth control methods that cost upwards of $30 a month. The environmental movement as I see it, is a non-inclusive, male centered, bourgeois movement that has gained popularity through the commercialization of the cause. It is now more about buying hybrid vehicles, or converting valuable food products into fuel than trying to make the planet's resources available to the PEOPLE living outside of 1st world countries. Perhaps it is true that the environmental movement promotes the idea of population control, and by default abortion, but this in NO way makes the movement one that is pro-woman.

Anti-feminists are the KKK of women. I hate their senseless bullshit!!!

More people on the road = bad for the environment. K, I buy that.

So the solution is for women to stop working and stay home? How are we gonna make groceries and bring the kiddies to mommy-and-me without an SUV?!

Maybe we could have some kind of transportation system that anyone could take to work or school! Can you even imagine?

Muhahahaha!

Why is it he thinks women should stop working, rather than men? If it was really about the environment, he would be for dads to stop too. What a dipshit!