well...this guy so obviously has me and the rest of the female world figured out...finally!

holy shit...where do they come up w/ this garbage? seriously?

Translation: Girls won't go out with me (or if they do, they won't sleep with me), therefore it must be because I am not shallow enough to have cultivated the proper veneer. It has nothing to do with the fact that my dislike for women leaks through my every word and gesture. It is entirely because women can't think for themselves and there aren't enough people telling them that I'm cool.

Looks like someone's break-up wasn't exactly mutual.

"I'd be free and happy. I'd feel complete. I'd be able to concentrate on my biochemistry studying."

That last part makes the rest of it worth reading! Think of what the world of biochemistry is missing out on all because of women. For shame.

Unfortunately, this is from my hometown. I remember seeing it awhile ago and just being speechless at the amount of hatred in it. Ugh.

Ah, the mating call of the Nice Guy(tm). No matter how they change the lyrics, you can always recognize the tune.

Looks like this guy watched too much of that Mystery guy's pick up routines.

Bleh.

Dear womankind,

I hate you.
Why won't you date me?

Assholishly,

Misogynist

HAHAHAHAHAHAH loser.

It's also logically nonsensical - if all women care about is what other women think/want, how can any of them attach value to a thing/man in the first place for the others to observe and follow? Maybe my empty lady-brain just can't handle Romeo's deep thoughts. - brain explodes -

How can someone misuderstand women so completely? My guess is he's never had a relationship...I've seen the type before; go long enough without a girlfriend, sex, etc. and you become bitter. This guy apparently has gone so far as to blame all women everywhere for his own bad luck.

He said "biochemistry" to throw us off. This is, in fact, largely a cut-and-paste from the intro to his PhD dissertation in Evo Psych.

Hmm, bitter much? Don't you just love when a guy whose had some bad romantic experiences generalizes this to all womankind? Especially when they act as though men are the only ones truly capable of love, while women are just greedy bitches who don't know what true love is.

First: how does this post belong on Craigslist? It has nothing to do with buying or selling anything.

Second, Colleen's comment,

"Think of what the world of biochemistry is missing out on all because of women. For shame.",

gets extra irony points because about half of practicing biochemists are women (in contrast to, say, my chosen field of research, physics).

First: how does this post belong on Craigslist? It has nothing to do with buying or selling anything.

Second, Colleen's comment,

"Think of what the world of biochemistry is missing out on all because of women. For shame.",

gets extra irony points because about half of practicing biochemists are women (in contrast to, say, my chosen field of research, physics).

Wow...this guy isn't even good at being mysoginistic. I mean, beside the "dur, all people of one sex think the same, dur" typical idiocy, he's basically saying: "women have a complex and logical system of determining attraction, that has to do with analyzing traits based on factors that will continue to be present in their mates after some time passes. But men, we likey dah purty girls, hur hur. Dat makes us dah bestest!" This is insulting to *both* sexes, and makes me sad. :(

Sure he's misogynistic. He's also a misandrist if not a misanthropist. But, the fact is that there are some women out there who act EXACTLY as he describes. I was married to one. Now, I will only date true feminists.

Wow.

While I disagree with pretty much every thing said in that letter, I'm going to, just for fun, pretend that what he is saying IS true so I can rip it apart further.

So let's say women are attracted to money, power, status, etc. Why would this be? MEN. They woke up one morning and decided they wanted stuff for themselves (aka property), and in so didn't want other men's children getting their stuff. And so monogamy was invented. Then men decided women should stay at home and look after their children that would one day inherit all of their stuff. So women were forced to be dependent upon men for their survival. Wouldn't it only make sense to look for the best suited male who could support you the best? This is what women have been taught since the advent of property. I stress again that this is all male enforced.
Now, in our modern world we do not look down on men for quitting jobs, going to many job interviews or "shopping around" for a better job. This is a good thing, they are attempting to be successful and get more stuff to give to their children born of a monogamous wife.
But women, doing as they have been taught/made to do for thousands of years are looked down upon because suddenly men are realizing they don't have a fair shot at all the women. Their little plan is backfiring on them in a big way!

So, in short, the only way to establish a fair playing field is for all men to give up property so women can "relearn" how to appreciate men for who they are inside. Also, monogamy must go.

All in all, if women were attracted to money, power etc (which they are not, with the few exceptions) men brought it on themselves. This guy should be writing a Marxist diatribe spouting the wonders of free sex and communal living. He's just got it all wrong. Look for the cause, not the (completely wrong) effects!

PS What a whiney turd this guy is!

What strikes me first thing is that he criticizes women for their criteria for choosing a mate... and then goes on to brag about how he chooses who HE loves ENTIRELY on how they LOOK. Like this is a virtuous quality. Like, WTF, dude?

Sorry, I find that how a guy interacts with many people (i.e. he is kind, funny, well-liked) is a much better indicator that we'd be suited in the long term than how his eyelashes fucking flutter.

Women are attracted to men, but not whiny, arrogant useless little "nice guys"(tm) like yourself, dumpling!

Frankly, I'm glad this butthead hates women. Anything that lessens the chances of him passing on his whiny useless genes on is a good thing.

But, the fact is that there are some women out there who act EXACTLY as he describes. I was married to one.

The fact is, there are some men out there who commit murder, and some women who do. The fact is, there are some black people who commit robbery, and some white people who do, too. In every group you can possibly think of, there are "some" people who do just about anything. Just because there are some white people who are turned on by shit, would that justify saying all white people have a scat fetish? It's interesting how only with oppressed groups, when SOME members of the group act in an unsavory way, will we say "Well, SOME members of the group act that way." Duh. You could say that about any fucking demographic group out there. People, including women, are individuals, and it's pointless to mention something that could apply to any group out there but act as though it's specific to that one group.

Methinks if women used the same criteria in attraction to men (physical beauty) that he uses in his attraction to women, he'd STILL end up dateless.

Methinks if women used the same criteria in attraction to men (physical beauty) that he uses in his attraction to women, he'd STILL end up dateless.

Um... since when did those become bad criterion? When I'm looking for a guy, I'm looking for someone who's making the most of themselves. I'm looking for someone who respects others and, in turn, is respected. I want someone who's generally happy (the smile) and fun to be around (the laugh).

It's called CHARACTER.

This guy is probably fairly handsome but can't keep a girlfriend past the point when they discover he's a colossal dick. No human being wants a partner who's going to abandon them on those awful days when they're running a high fever, coughing up chunks of phlegm the size of kittens, and looking like something that crawled out of 28 Days Later.

YM, your entire post reeks of egocentrism and an overwhelming sense of male privilege. Your thinking is centered entirely around males, with females as the substandard pets who should be so lucky as to get a pat on the head once they do all the chores that men, by virtue of a set of small and often unreliable organs, are above doing.

Feminists called the bullshit out, and you're upset because you feel a great sense of entitlement to something we, as women, are reclaiming - our bodies, our choices, and our lives. You need to learn to fucking deal with it.

oh, look at that! a troll that makes no fucking sense. precious.

anyways, total nice guy shit going on for serious. but i'm not surprised it made the "best of" list. hopefully people are reading with amusement at his asshole-ness. hopefully.

I saw that posting on craigslist a couple days ago and wanted to hurl. Who the hell nominated him for the "Best of?" I hope he was nominated so other people could mock him for being a total mental midget.

YesMaster- I didn't realize there is a "shelf life" for pussy. Shit, I mean, I've had mine for 27 years. I guess mine should have fallen off by now or something. Oh, and by the way, did you even read the craigslist post that she was referring to or did you just get yourself all in a tizzy when you saw the pussy envy graphic. How the hell does wanting reproductive freedom, equality, and a desirable choices in careers equate to wanting to be put on a pedestal as a goddess? Because I am pretty sure that wanting those things are pretty human. Next time you post, please make sure you 1. Are Coherent; 2. Stick with the topic; 3. Actually read what you are posting about; and 4. Educate yourself and know what the hell you are talking about.

"He said "biochemistry" to throw us off. This is, in fact, largely a cut-and-paste from the intro to his PhD dissertation in Evo Psych."

nonononononnono

I am completely convinced that this is the one part of his screed that is 100% true.

Biochemistry has been the major of choice for science oriented women for at least a decade now. A whole lot of departments are becoming that magic 60/40 male/female that people perceive as being 50/50 or as having more women than men. A whole lot of them even have more women enrolled in there classes than men - despite the fact that most physics departments remain 80/20 or less.

So I completely and totally believe that he is studying biochemistry. What I am more skeptical of is the theory that he was dumped.

The whole screed reads to me as saying "get these bitches out of my class, they don't really care about any of this, they are simply distracting the real scholars."

When I read YM's post, I just kept thinking of one of my favorite quotes of all time:
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

You know what? If you don't believe in feminism, don't come read a feminist website. If you have a novel idea about why misogyny will benefit my life, please, come tell me. If you're going to spew the same strawman arguments to me that I've been hearing since the day I was born, you're wasting your time. There are plenty of conservative websites on which you can rant to your boyfriends about how stupid women are for wanting control over their lives.

Ha! I'm not sure which post was funnier... the craigslist post, or YM's here in comments.

Because thank goodness us men are NEVER shallow ourselves. We see past such fleeting irrelevancies like boobs, legs, and uh, flexibility, to appreciate the nice girls with the great personality for what they are!

By the way... ever notice how the guys who go off on these rants are always the so-called "Nice Guys"? heh.

This is a must read:

The craigslist douchebag posted a response: http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/rnr/453948567.html

Check it out. He says that what he wrote in his original post MUST be true, because women got mad at him for it.

I always thought that the fact that my wife (who will probably see this comment, since she is a regular reader) says that it was my sense of humor that allowed me to succeed where all other suitors failed, was very much a compliment.

And she is smart 'cuz she is a mowecuwar biowojist, which is even harder than being a biochemist.

Someone needs to invent a drug which has no hormonal imbalance side-effects but is able to erase a man's sex drive and attraction to women.

Come out of the closet, son. Be free of fear.

Wow.

Just... wow.

That Craiglist posting made me sick, and YM's post made me sad.

Sometimes, the idea of going off to live in the woods or the mountains somewhere starts to sound like a good one.

I always thought that the fact that my wife (who will probably see this comment, since she is a regular reader) says that it was my sense of humor that allowed me to succeed where all other suitors failed, was very much a compliment.

And she is smart 'cuz she is a mowecuwar biowojist, which is even harder than being a biochemist.

Someone needs to invent a drug which has no hormonal imbalance side-effects but is able to erase a man's sex drive and attraction to women.

Come out of the closet, son. Be free of fear.

Well, yes, "Mystery" would agree that all of that is true, but would argue that it's no more sinister than the male obsession with female appearance, perhaps less, and that in any case it's no big deal. In fact, LOTS of PUAs could have written the middle paragraph about falling in love with a woman's physical presence, which, although androcentric and objectifying, is not overtly hostile. Shallow, yes, but still open to a partner's individual endearing quirks rather than regarding a woman as undifferentiated slut-meat.

Lots of MRAs are beginning to speak out about status-seeking women and their effect on the male view of romance (in an assumed normative heterosexuality, MRAs do not live with mental caveats) and screeds like this are par for the course. Some more nuanced than others, of course. YM, for example, is completely out to lunch.

Sad. Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad. You'd think these guys could at least try to have the graciousness to be coherent in their own hatred - and, upon finding that impossible, to stop bloody talking.

But no, it's all "I love women for their hairstyles even though they're WHORES, that's why I'm better than them" and "I don't know what I'm commenting on and I'm not sure if I even have a point, but you wimmen sure are silly for disliking sexual double standards! Haw haw sluts!"

This just gets so old. Boys, you both get a D-. Your theses are in serious need of a rewrite.

..it's CRAIGSLIST! ...How did this make FEMINISTING? Come on! Craigslist has the worst discussion forums of any public website, including MySpace! All they DO is spew hate-filled shit on that site because there are hardly any mods on those boards!

And YES, they have boards other than buying and selling stuff.

Jesus...Come on...put your energy where it will be needed, not fighting some faceless fuck who will likely never look at that post, or any responses to it (since CL doesn't thread) again.

Tried to write a response, found it took to long, have now moved it to my blog...

Is it Incoherent Blabbering on the Internet Day or something?

To envy something that has a such a short shelf life is inconceivable!

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

But you "love women just the way they are," right? You know what love is, right. Maybe you're sexually attracted to women but you're clearly a misogynist.

i'm pretty sure this made "best of" because it's so absurd. sadly it's not even the most misogynistic, incoherent posting i've seen on CL.

about the poster--obviously totally jaded, bitter "nice guy." thankfully the only women he'll likely ever date are the ones he deserves.

Jesus...Come on...put your energy where it will be needed, not fighting some faceless fuck who will likely never look at that post, or any responses to it (since CL doesn't thread) again.

Come on Spider, it was pretty funny... Seriously, wow!

I don't see why the women here shouldn't post whatever they want, it doesn't actually stop them from posting other, more "serious" matters

Jesus...Come on...put your energy where it will be needed, not fighting some faceless fuck who will likely never look at that post, or any responses to it (since CL doesn't thread) again.
There's a door over there if you don't like it.
Did anyone else read his response? It's hilarious, especially the end. There's more purple prose in it than in an Anne Rice book.
I quote;
"I'm not a bitter insane asshole, I'm the guy next door, the guy in the adjacent cubicle at work, the guy who microwaves your authentic italian food at olive garden, the guy you sit next to in p-chem, the guy who throws grapes at your face and quakes with laughter while lounging on the couch Sunday morning."
And add;
"I am the guy who lives in his parent's basement. I am the guy who can't find a clitoris without a roadmap. I am the guy who freaks out Jame Gumb."

Come on Spider, it was pretty funny... Seriously, wow!

I don't see why the women here shouldn't post whatever they want, it doesn't actually stop them from posting other, more "serious" matters
Didn't you get the memo? We're supposed to be humorless spinsters rocking in our chairs and petting our 20 cats.

I found it really disturbing. It seemed to be written less for effect than because this is what this person (who reads to me as a young male) really perceives, and that's pretty scary. I don't think he actually interacts with women much, and if he does, then he's got some sort of mental situation going on that's just flat out disturbing to me.

What is going on with the two new trolls today? Do you all think we're just lucky, or has the site been linked somewhere new, and we should expect more?

What a pathetic loser.

The whole, "I am your neighbor, blah blah blah" thing is exactly what I mean when I say the majority of men hate women. Regular, normal looking men you'd never peg as woman-haters do, in fact, hate women!

Agree on the troll sentiment, they are coming out in force today, but I have mixed reactions - anger, laughter, and sadness. It's been an interesting day of reading to say the least.

I can't help but visualize some form of mechanical failure complete with frying wires and sparks whenever I read something like the above...like reason is fighting so hard but can't quite break free of the bullshit.

Ok, yeah, maybe I'm giving him too much credit with even having some reason.

The whole, "I am your neighbor, blah blah blah" thing is exactly what I mean when I say the majority of men hate women. Regular, normal looking men you'd never peg as woman-haters do, in fact, hate women!
I get what you mean when you say that. You don't have to dismember a Real Doll to hate/fear/disrespect women. You don't have to be a rabid serial killer to hate women. Hell, it would be easier if all misogynists were like that, at least they'd be easier to identify.

To Pussy Envy Guy: I really wanted to be a "greedy materialistic prostitute�
for Halloween and you totally ruined it for me. And oh yeah......I have university education up the ass and I am currently the only one making money in my home and my student (male) partner has NO problem with it. No wait, let me preempt your response...I am biding my time till he becomes the success his veneer and social skills promise?????
I am attracted to his brain asshole. You obviously lack them, hence your difficulty with women.

To Yes Master: First off learn how to write coherently as half of what you said was poorly worded and this "piece" had no flow whatsoever. Secondly, can you use your FUCKED UP way of thinking to explain away rape? Please enlighten us oh wise one. I am in desperate need of a man to set me straight

And what was this???
"women have lust too, porn is proof of that...its just their closed mind about themselves and what they've been told by American society to believe about themselves that has shaped their own negative self esteem."
YOU THINK PORN IS A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF FEMALE SEXUALITY????? Give me strength no wonder you can't find any woman to go out with you.

From what you said I gather you believe we women just need better self esteem to avoid getting sexually assaulted, paid less and objectified by the media. WICKED. OK! Here goes nothing

I RULE!!!! I RULE!!!! I RULE!!!!!!!!! *concentrating really hard* I AM BEAUTIFUL!!! WE ARE ALL BEAUTIFU!!!!!....nope still a second class citizen. Guess you were wrong.

But not too much self-esteem, lest he bring us down a notch by reminding us we are merely women, with gross pussies.

You know, Sarah - that's exactly what I thought when I read that section. By saying he is the guy-next-door he makes his perspective the normal one to have. It's the women who have strong reactions to his post who have issues, we are the ones going against the norms...{shudder}.

Wow... I was really hoping to see a /joke at the end of YM's post. It was such a lovely parody of itself, after all.

Also, that guy's second CL post was even scarier than the first, if possible. The first one just kind of reminded me of Stewie Griffin (you know, same vitriol, same maturity level, etc).

"Someone needs to invent a drug which has no hormonal imbalance side-effects but is able to erase a man's sex drive and attraction to women."

Yes. And give it to this man. Because I really, really don't want him to ever procreate. Or attempt to date, even.

Well, he could always follow the example of Abelard.

Don't you girls ever get embittered? Seriously, ugly women get ignored and treated like shit. It's so common for social center of attention to be the girl with the best cleavage and legs, regardless of whether she's an interesting person or not. I'm surprised you don't at least empathise with the guy.

Sadly, I have been to places on the web -- places aimed at men that are not necessarily designated as misogynist or MRA -- where this guy's views are treated as the greatest thing since the gospel. Thanks to the Web, I no longer have illusions that men of the younger generation are particularly more enlightened or feminist than those who came before. If anything, they seem more misogynistic than ever, and are doing it as a conscious choice.
Except for CL boy, of course, who is clearly no more misogynistic than the Aryan Brotherhood is racist. He's just telling THE TRUTH!
That said, I wish to thank Yesmaster for my big laugh of the day. The ridiculous moniker, the incoherent argument and general chestpounding were wonderfully ridiculous. BTW, you forgot to call us fat and ugly. Tsk tsk, you're slipping!

Why do a couple of CRAZY people think it's okay to extrapolate and make vast generalizations based on their narrow little worldview? I will never understand the closed-minded.

Jetgirl -- No YM didn't call us fat and ugly, just hot and horny, but without self esteem. leederick seems to have covered the fat and ugly stereotype, though. Thanks, leeder!

the rants and raves section of craiglist is where the angriest, most closed-minded woman haters of the world go to spew their hatred. oh, and where 12 years old go to find pictures of naked chicks.

what's really sad is that's probably the most grammatically correct piece of misogynist crap ever posted on craigslist. its normally very simple-minded stuff, or similar to what our friend yes master posted. it's also why i stopped going to that part of craigslist.

does anyone else think yesmaster found this post on feministing by typing "pussy" into google image search, and then he got mad it was a picture of a cat???

"Someone needs to invent a drug which has no hormonal imbalance side-effects but is able to erase a man's sex drive and attraction to women."

Well, buddy, it's not a drug. It's surgery. If you get castrated your sex drive will disappear. That's an elegant solution because it also means if you sleep with a woman in a time of weakness (hers), you won't have any progeny!!

Ok so he's calling women superficial when he's the one that only gives a shit about physical qualities that women possess? Perhaps we women are the ones who really think because we don't want just a good looking man, we'd also like one that's got something besides sheer hotness going on. I'd rather date a guy with ambition and plain looks than one that's super good looking but a moron.
It sounds like this guy sucks at life, therefore can't get a woman to notice him and is just jealous at those who don't totally suck at life. What a buffoon.

Sorry, Leeder, but I have no empathy for the perennially embittered. We all deal with crap in our lives, and letting those experiences make us bitter is not just unproductive, but a sign of a weak character. Yes, guys have treated me badly and belittled me. So have women. But that doesn't make me a misanthrope. If anything, it makes me cherish those men and women who treat me well. And guess what? Fewer people have been mean to me than nice. And here's a universal truth for ya: you will like some people, dislike others, and be neutral about the majority. CL boy needs to grow up. It's not all about him.

Woah! I'm not calling anyone here fat and ugly. I'm sure you're all total babes - the point is that it must embitter you that men are more attracted to your tits than your humanity.

I know there's the embittered fat girl stereotype, but in my experience the women who have the lowest opinions of men are the those who are attractive, but aware men are basically only interested in them for their looks. Plenty of men are interested in a blonde wife or girlfriend basically as a status symbol - like a car or a boat - that's an appalling way to treat someone, and in my experience those women end up totally screwed up.

I just read the reply to his own post. Apparently the majority of men think this way. If that's so, the majority of men can suck off and die in a pool of loneliness and self loathing.

I had a much different response than many of the posters here to reading this ad. I also think the guy is pretty pathetic but look at just the first part of his message up until the greedy materialistic part. He overemphasizes the degree to which women are unconcerned with looks, but he is right on with a lot of the things that impress women:

Women are attracted to status, money, how much a man smiles and laughs, how many friends and resources a man has, how full a man's life is--how many "cool," "exciting" and prestigious things he is doing or connected to.


They are interested in how other people view him--how many people want to be around him, how other people interact with him and whether their interactions convey that he is special and amazing. They want him to be extremely outgoing and aggressive, they want him to demonstrate his status over other people by dominating them in various non-violent ways.

Not everyone is consciously searching for the highest status mate they can find. But almost everyone is positively impressed by a higher status member of the opposite sex. All he's done is listed some of the most important qualities for making a guy a higher status partner. His observations about how other people responding to a man being important is quite astute. If you are a guy looking to meet someone in a bar-like social setting, especially if you are looking for hook-ups, these are the things that make a difference. If you don't have these qualities, deal with it! Or change. But how can you possibly complain? You have a list of things you are looking for- so do the women.

How can you list out the properties of a high status partner for both sexes like this and then conclude that women are the ones with the problem? Yeah, men are simpler to please in this respect, but its no less 'shallow'.

And none of this really leads to a reasonable criticism of either sex anyhow. There are always going to be higher and lower status partners determined by social standards and they will always have to be shallow standards. If they weren't shallow, they couldn't be assessed easily, so how could anyone be high or low status?

Of course, if you are looking for a meaningful relationship, you had better recognize that there are a lot more important criteria in a partner than status. But many people will only be willing to be with someone of a certain status, so they might as well acknowledge that within themselves. On the other hand, searching endlessly for the highest status partners you can possibly get to sleep with you will lead to loneliness. So be careful- unless you don't mind being single. Members of both sexes take this too far. Remember the other recent famous craigslist post about the woman looking for a man making over 500K in NYC? You have to wonder where your priorities are if you're going to limit your potential partners so severely for such a thing. But many men are the same way or worse.

The craigslist ad is so screwed up because he's clearly figured something out about what women are looking for, but he's learned the absolutely wrong thing based on that!

To clear up why this came up on Craigslist, the site has more than just buying/selling, etc. You can find a job, meet new people, and post on discussion boards all while rejoicing that you're not on MySpace.

This guy is clearly a tool, but that's probably why it's on Best Of along with a guy flashing a girl, a girl flashing a guy, a guy who writes a math proof to get a girl to go out with him, and a girl who wants to date a guy she saw in an STD testing center. Clearly Best of Craigslist is where one finds the highest caliber of people. That being said, I read it. So... yeah.

So, the moral of the story is that lots of sketchy people post on Craigslist. A more pressing issue is that a girl was recently murdered after answering a post for a nanny job (aka the guy was clearly trying to find a woman). That, to me, is scarier than this douchebag.

You know, if he said similar things about a racial minority - especially the last part about how he and his buddies are everywhere - it would be considered hate speech beyond a shadow of a doubt.

"So I completely and totally believe that he is studying biochemistry. What I am more skeptical of is the theory that he was dumped.

The whole screed reads to me as saying "get these bitches out of my class, they don't really care about any of this, they are simply distracting the real scholars.""

Totally. Did anyone else think it was strange that the physical gestures he singled out as his criteria for love were the kinds of gestures you would notice if you watched someone IN class for an extended period of time? I don't think this guy got dumped, I think he's been developing creepy from-afar classmate obsessions that "distract" him from his honorable and studious nature. He's clearly pissed that not only are there a bunch of girls distracting him in science classes where they don't belong, but also that none of them have allowed him to purloin their (more) important physical assets.

Weeding out prospective dating partners according to WHO THEY ARE AS A PERSON is the exact OPPOSITE of shallow! If it's "shallow" to care about what kind of person you are dating, what that person has done, how they interact with people, etc., is "shallow," then the word "shallow" has no meaning and serves to draw an entirely false equivalence between men who care about women's physical appearance and women who care about a man's being.

It is not that men are "no less shallow" than women - in this construction, women are not shallow at all. This douche is just using the word "shallow" as a dysphemism for "won't take all comers." Don't buy into it. It is not shallow *at all* to discriminate on the basis of who the dude is as a person. It is shallow to write off people as romantic partners if they don't have a nice enough neckline.

"I'm going to start dating English majors, I swear. Those sexy little poem-writing bitches."

Yea, I don't think he's been the beneficiary of those more pleasurable physically female characteristics - science girlies just wont put out. Lets pick up some *bitches* instead. How can someone who thinks of women as bitches hold the separate and completely contradictory idea that they are not a misogynist in the same head?

Its hard to imagine being so closed minded that you actually close off parts of your own mind from your analytic power. Not only are they inaccessible to others because you've made up your mind, but they are basically a jammed CD drive that keeps spinning in your head both refusing to eject and let you access it. This is an interesting thought in terms of neurological studies because they have actually uncovered instances where the two hemispheres of the brain can hold separate diametrically opposed opinions - the experiment had the test taker answer questions with both hands using abstract symbols to represent yes, no, and I don't know. The actions of each hand is controlled by a separate hemisphere; his left hemisphere and right hand indicated a belief in god, while his left hand chose atheism (which was his personal view).

It makes me sad that some people have the knee-jerk response to attack the evolutionary social sciences. Not everyone who is interested in explaining things with evolution is a misogynist pig... there are some feminists (me!) in the mix! Additionally, just because ridiculous people attempt to use the evo-explanations in a reductionist way does not mean that the explanation in and of itself is reductionist. It just means that some people are so full of hatred for women and embittered by feminism that they will stop at nothing to garner "scientific" support for their disgusting justifications.

Many scientists do not realize the extent to which private parties quote edit their papers to support a radical agenda that the author would probably detest or at least protest. Recently a retired scientist retracted his 1955 paper that had been widely cited by creationists as disproving the possibility of evolution after he found that it was being used in such a way during a Google search. We should let scientists know when their intellectual work is being perverted so they can rectify the situation if that was not their intention.

bubblex-- Biology tends to indicate that while there is a difference between the sexes, there is quite a bit of error, and besides, it ALSO tends to indicate that in things that matter (thinking and reasoning) human brains are all pretty much alike.

"Did anyone else think it was strange that the physical gestures he singled out as his criteria for love were the kinds of gestures you would notice if you watched someone IN class for an extended period of time?"

The "way she sits in a chair," bit was very telling. Not the way she walks, dances, moves....but the way she sits. Yeah, he's totally getting distracted in class, not getting his attention reciprocated, and has therefore deemed female education to be waste of time - 'cuz, hey, he's not getting anything out of it.

"bubblex-- Biology tends to indicate that while there is a difference between the sexes, there is quite a bit of error, and besides, it ALSO tends to indicate that in things that matter (thinking and reasoning) human brains are all pretty much alike."

I wasn't even talking about biological differences between the mental faculties of either sex. This is the knee jerk I was talking about - not all evolutionary biological anthropology work is trying to undermine gender equality by outing some purported intelligence difference between the sexes.

Oh, sorry, on rereading my comment makes little sense. I meant to say that it's pointless to say that evolutionary biology has anything to do with gender issues, because what little information there is indicates that there isn't any such difference. I didn't mean to imply that there is some agenda to evolutionary biology. I was actually agreeing with you.

My Dad hasn't had a steady girlfriend in 7 years, and now he's reading this book by a guy who is basically spewing this same kind of misogynist crap (Almost verbatum. I'm not even joking. I can call my Dad and ask him the name of the guy who's book he's reading, but I can't think of it right now.) I told my Dad that women wouldn't date a man who held these beliefs, because they're misogynist. I told him, "Women are going to think that you're a controlling jerk if you read and believe this shit." and he said, "You wouldn't date a man who reads this kind of stuff because you're a feminazi. Feminists hate men." I said, "I've been dating a man for the past four years. My best friends are both male. Why on earth would you assume that I hate men?" His reply, "You hate patriarchy, which man made, and therefore you hate men." My reply: "If one of my professors mandates a stupid rule that I find unfair, does that mean I hate all professors, just because one bad professor? Of course not!" And my Dad wonders why he's still single. Ugh.

Good to hear - and indeed, pretty much all of the information we have points to all minds being created equally. I think EvoBioAnth work has the potential to shed light on the reasons human cultures have adopted such varying social constructs for survival - which all have parallels in other primate groups. I think the problem comes when people start viewing possible explanations as justifications for the status quo, which they are not. A woman in one of my classes got really hostile when we were talking about the selection for lactose tolerance in dairying populations because she viewed it as a justification for eating animal products; but it wasn't a justification, it was the scientific analysis of the fitness of a phenotype that was highly selected for. It could of course be used to justify eating animals, but that justification was in no way the purpose or the point of the research.

Well, obviously, how DARE I, as a woman, have the utter gall to want to only date...the people I want to date. Being attracted to men for who they are AND what they look like? Well GOSH, it's clear that it's the former that is so terribly, terribly shallow, right? This fella strikes me as someone who thinks he's attractive enough to be able to "get a woman", but too big an asshole for any to want to stay around.

Newsflash: that's your own damned fault, son, and fuck you very much for blaming a half of the world's population for your own shortcomings.

YogiDanielle,
A winner of a book that comes to mind immediately is "Sexploytation" by Matthew Fitzgerald. I would crown him King Misogynist Asshat, but sadly, too many so-called "authors" are vying for that title at the moment. BTW, thanks to Jessica Valenti for penning a great antidote.

My friend Baylen sent me that. He ignored me when I tried to explain what a Nice Guy (TM) was.

Leederic, no, that doesn't make me bitter, b/c I choose to assume that the men I surround myself with aren't judging my worth solely on my cleavage and legs. Just b/c many men do, doesn't mean they all are like that, and you're playing to the stereotype that feminists are bitter and tend towards a kneejerk reaction of bitterness towards all men, which is just as ridiculous and insulting as the first reading of your post.

I also don't think that all of the things women supposedly look for in a man add up to status. My boyfriend makes less money than I do. His car is not as nice as mine. The job he has chosen will not pay incredibly well. Aside from his being male, I have quite a bit more "status" than he does, and I've had boyfriends who figure higher on what rates for status than he does. Why did I choose him? B/c I like him. He's incredibly intelligent, he respects me and encourages my ambition, he truly wants to make a difference in the world, he's emotionally available, he's lovely to be around, he likes my family and stood by us through some pretty rough times, he treats me like a partner instead of a girlfriend... None of that adds up to status, but it adds up to partner compatability. I just never understand why people assume women want power in their men instead of men they get along with.

SouriezLaJoconde:

Thank you!

YEAH, I saw this too and wondered if I should E-mail it to you guys. Fucked up shit.

I found this site through cl based on the post and found it interesting. I would like to offer another perspective.

Firstly, the trolls like yesmaster are crazy, and yes, cl is full of them. But they are the true mysogynists. The poster of the cl post is hardly a terrible woman hater, or scary, or threatening.

Agreed, he is irrational and very negative and angry. But I am surprised only a few posted comments on what seems obvious. THe things he accuses women of (excepting the negative judgements of same)seem pretty logical and good. I actually appreciate women that judge men on how successful, confidant, and how much they enjoy life, let alone how other people like and want to be around them. It is the women who do judge a guy only on his looks or his "image" Bad boy, cool whatever, that I think give women a bad name.

I think pick up gurus like Mystery, while maybe seeming a little manipulative, have figured out what makes a guy more attractive to women, and try to become that. This guy, if he thinks he has women figured out, should spend a little more time trying to become successful and have a full life than complaining about it. Actually, I wold be tempted to think he is a good looking guy with no game, and thinks he should have more female attention based on his looks alone. Who knows?

Granted, he isn't even right. While women do judge a man on those things, they also, more than men, are more likely to be swayed by the little things of a guys personality. How his glasses slide off his nose. How he gets excited when explainging something important to him. If only more guys truly did see women for all their little details.

But the bottom line is, this guy is frustrated and angry about it. Sure you can put him down for it, but if you try to understand it, you can undeerstand men more. Not that you have to, but we all need to understand each other and live together, right?

It is not easy being a man (I know, it is also hard to be a woman) Men are brought up to place a lot of their self worth on how they can attract women. Men who can't, feel less than and frustrated. Women, while they also have their own I need a man programming, are actually better at defining themselves based on their connections, relationships, and other things. WOmen also, are much better at connecting to other women and men emotionally. Men tend to place all their real emotional intimacy in their dating relationships, leaving men who are not in a relationship stranded emotionally. Women connect all over the place. Most men don't know how.

SO, here is a guy who is not successful with women, and is lonely, frustrated, angry and just doesn't get it. So he acts out. Not appropriately I know. But if you let it, it can help you understand men a little more and appreciate what you have, and encourage the young men in your lives to learn how to be different.

I would feel the same way about a woman ranting about how terrible men are. I wouldn't take it seriously, and try to understand where her frustration is coming from.

Well, just thought I would give some thoughts on it.

I look forward to the day when men and women can all overcome the societal oppressions that hold us down and cause us to opress each other too.

Somebody above said, What strikes me first thing is that he criticizes women for their criteria for choosing a mate... and then goes on to brag about how he chooses who HE loves ENTIRELY on how they LOOK.

Yeah, that's wht stood out the most to me (after his obvious hate of women). He says women don't actually like men but it sounds like he doesn't actually like women.

Okay, I am going to jump in a bit late here, but I am going to say shit anyway, and if I am repeating shit, oh well.

First of all, YesMaster, check yourself. To say that porn is proof that women have lust, too, is to be idiotic. Porn is nothing more than the misrepresentation of women sexuality and the objectification of their bodies. Any idiot who claims that it's it's a representation of women's lust needs to be shot. Lust exists in both women and men, but porn is ANYTHING but the true representation of lust. It's a representation of misogyny and objectification.

YesMaster, don't get clotheslined.

Mateo:

I would feel the same way about a woman ranting about how terrible men are. I wouldn't take it seriously, and try to understand where her frustration is coming from.

...This is part of the problem. True, there would be no point in just going off on a rant about "OMG TEH MENZ SUX", but women have serious concerns about their treatment by men, and should be taken seriously.

I found this article completely offensive, not just to women, but to men.

I'm aware that there are some flaws in conventional notions of attraction, and that beauty is more of a beholder thing, but the idea that women aren't physically attracted to men befuddles me.

I stay in shape and am used to flirting, but the fact that a woman doesn't have any physical interest in me seems bizarre and, frankly, is contrary to everything I've been told throughout my life.

Any truth here? Probably not.

At least the writer is an equal opportunity jackass.

Mateo, he said all women are greedy prostitutes. How does that not translate to hating women? And, men's worth tied up into how they can attract women? Maybe partially, but uh, women's is almost solely based on their ability to attract and keep a man, so your point is kind of moot.

"It seems to me that women almost cannot think for themselves. Their estimates of worth are based on other peoples' estimates of worth. They don't really find an object beautiful on their own. The object becomes beautiful when other people let her know that it is beautiful.

I'm completely unable to reconcile the differences between men and women. It seems like success with women is equal to spending half of your life working to create a giant illusion, something vastly tiring and annoying, while sacrificing your own true self and your own interests. We construct our lives around nest-building. We're like male birds building nests and showing them off to attract mates. It's pathetic. Everything we do is to get women. It is a fucking shit deal. "

I'm honestly more offended by his view of women as incapable of thought. I can't tell if objects are beautiful without other's affirmations? Seriously? As a painter I had no idea that I was incapable of understanding beauty, let alone synthesizing it.

What's really sad about this guy is that instead of recognizing that he's a victim of the patriarchy as well, he turns his anger towards women, who are not to blame. Really, he's pissed that he has to work so hard - I would probably be pissed too, but I would have the good sense to recognize that men rigged the system in this way when they denied women equal opportunities in education and made spousal dependence the only viable way to raise offspring. So maybe his life sucks, but he should blame his own gender for that one and then maybe do something about it. Its amazing that these men can't connect women's refusal to sleep with them with their derogatory views; if its clear you think we aren't you're equal, we're not going to have sex with you, let alone give you the time of day... or our excellent class notes.

Both leederick's and Mateo's pleas for empathy and understanding kind of bug me.

Here's the think about that. There's this belief that women are supposed to be bottomless wells of empathy, compassion, and support. Specifically for men. Even when they have just done something reprehensible (e.g., making nasty blanket statements about women or engaging in hostile, sex-specific name-calling). Like we have this debt of understanding to men, even — nay especially — when they are demonstrating a lack of recoprocal empathy, compassion, and basic respect.

That's not a reasonable expectation. I argue that it looks a bit overly entitled, if you think about it.

Well that guy was clearly just dumped... hahaha.

I find the fact that it's "best of" craigslist a lot more disturbing than his pathetic rant. Maybe he should just be attracted to men and then he'd be better off :P

Well, I find the comments on my post interesting. To the woman who said that he is a victim of the patriarchy, I would