i still dont see how that translates to: "Therefore, you shouldn't have an abortion"
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pretending that this was true, you could still be pro-choice and at the same time... against...the use of fetuses used in lipstick?

"If you don't get an abortion, makeup companies have to stop making lipstick...but wait...how else will you make yourself attractive ...for ...your...man....ERROR ERROR ERROR"

I knew there was something about lipstick to make it so delicious.

Well you need the fetus, don't you want lipstick that's long lasting and moisturizes? Duh!

ugh where do these people get these ideas!!!

CoasttoCoast there really are some flavorful lipsticks out there, I think you have a point!

There are PLACENTAS in some cosmetics. But it's quite the stretch to claim that placenta=fetus.

There are PLACENTAS in some cosmetics. But it's quite the stretch to claim that placenta=fetus.
These people only like science when it agrees with them. So of course, they're completely scientifically illiterate.
From now on, dinosaurs will be called "Jesus-ponies," because they were vegetarians and existed at the same time as Jesus, and the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Fellas, do you want your woman sucking your cock with the remains of dead babies? No? Then that's twice the reason to abstain and oppose abortion rights. That, or cruise for gay sex in bathrooms.

Fellas, do you want your woman sucking your cock with the remains of dead babies?

Hell Y-- wait, this is some sort of trick question, isn't it?

"Fellas, do you want your woman sucking your cock with the remains of dead babies?"

It's the cirrrrcle of liiiife.

"...comes from aborted babies."

She says that like it's a bad thing.

Please tell me more about placentas in makeup. That's astoundingly gross.

From now on, dinosaurs will be called "Jesus-ponies,"

HA HA HA HA. ROTF. "jesus ponies" that's classic. I almost spit my green tea out, Moxie.

More about placentas in cosmetics:

http://www.carefair.com/skincare/Placenta_Use_in_Cosmetics_1924.html
http://www.fda.gov/fdac/reprints/puffery.html
http://www.plazancosmetics.com/plazancosmetics-articles/articles-archive/02_2007.html

surely not...that is SO gross...

"Please tell me more about placentas in makeup. That's astoundingly gross."

Not HUMAN placenta. Mainly cow. I think it's still in Pantene shampoo. Of course, it's a sterilized extract, so, not as icky as it sounds at first. You'll see it on labels as "panthenol."

Woo. Biology degree pays off. :)

HA HA HA HA. ROTF. "jesus ponies" that's classic. I almost spit my green tea out, Moxie.
LoL glad to help.
It's wickedly funny but kind of sad. I was reading an article in Skeptic about the creationism museum in Kentucky and the guy in charge, I guess, was absolutely insisting that all dinosaurs were vegetarians and lived during Jesus's time. I wanted to take him to the Museum of Natural History, show him a modern carnivore, then go upstairs to the dinosaurs and show him a carnivorous dinosaur.

Re: the lipstick thing.

If true, so what? At least they made something of themselves and were more use than most babies that are carried to term.

No, I'm not a misanthrope. Why do you ask?

Wait...do you mean that if abortion is banned, then we'll only have icky dry lipstick that doesn't last? Wow, then I'm voting pro-choice from now on!

"The base of most of the lipstick sold in our stores comes from aborted babies"

I have noticed that lipstick is pretty expensive. Do you think if I offer Cover Girl some aborted babies, they will give me some free lipstick? Cause that would be awesome.

Moxie Hart, it may look like the T. Rex has the teeth of a carnivore, but really, he used them to crack open coconuts to get at the delicious milk inside.

Seriously, that's what the Creation Museum guy says.

I don't think I've read anything in a long time that has made me giggle like a little girl as much as this has.

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Golly, I wish I wore lipstick, so I could support the liberal commie anti-Jesus evil minions of Satan that I love so much by having aborted fetuses on my face.

Erm, panthenol is Vitamin B5, NOT placenta,

Placenta is usally listed as placental extract/protein as is or in hydrolyzed forms.

Other animal by-products commonly in cosmetics are:
collagen (or any derivatives). If it saus hydrolyzed protein w/o listing sources, it comes from animal sources.

Crap, the stupid fetus lady is WRONG, really. Cosmetic products included rendered animals- including pets euthanized at shelters. Not fetuses.

Ok, not to further derail things, but why do the dinosaurs have to be vegetarian? Why can't they have been carnivores and lived while Jesus lived?

Erm, panthenol is Vitamin B5, NOT placenta. It's easily and much more efficiently made from non-animal sources, so you won't see panthenol derived from animal sources in use for cosmetics.

Placenta is usally listed as placental extract/protein as is or in hydrolyzed forms. If the ingredient contains the word placent/placental, it contains sterilized placenta derivatives.

Other animal by-products commonly in cosmetics are:
collagen (or any derivatives). If it says hydrolyzed protein w/o listing specifics (rice, wheat, soy, milk, etc), it comes from animal by-products detailed below. Obviously, any animal protein is dervied from animal sources.

Crap, the stupid fetus lady is WRONG, really. Cosmetic products often include rendered animal by products- which come from slaughterhouses as well as pets euthanized at shelters.

If she can freakin' READ lipstick ingredients and understand what the chemicals are, the ingredients are petrochemical waxes, silicones, vegetable waxes and oils, fragrances/flavors and colors. I don't think I've seen anything that could be derived from a human fetus in lipsticks.

you know, I manufacture skin care for people with sensitive skin. I do my own formulations, etc- I think I would know cosmetic chemistry moreso than a pro-life wingnut.

I am still giggling about this.

Human remains, parts or fluids from medical procedures on humans are considered bio-waste and have to be properly disposed of. Bio-waste is incinerated not sent off to be put in cosmetics.

This makes me want to run out and buy some dark red glossy lipstick. I get the double whammy. They can hate me cause they now think I look "slutty" and that they think I have aborted fetuses on my face.

Moxie Hart, it may look like the T. Rex has the teeth of a carnivore, but really, he used them to crack open coconuts to get at the delicious milk inside.
Seriously, that's what the Creation Museum guy says.
*Cracks up* It's like he's never looked at the mouth of a crocodile or a shark before. "No, sharks are vegetarians, their teeth are to shred seaweed."
Ok, not to further derail things, but why do the dinosaurs have to be vegetarian? Why can't they have been carnivores and lived while Jesus lived?
I imagine that the carnivorous dinosaurs would have been a threat to humans. I...don't understand their logic, it's not like our earth logic. It's like when you ask them how did Noah feed a t-rex on the ark and they have no answer.
Human remains, parts or fluids from medical procedures on humans are considered bio-waste and have to be properly disposed of. Bio-waste is incinerated not sent off to be put in cosmetics.
You just made me flash back to the Fight Club movie when they're stealing human fat for soap. I don't remember if they do that in the book.

I knew there was a reason my lips have been so soft and plump lately. I need to go get knocked up so I can keep this going. How many fetuses do they need for a tube of Date Night Red?

The Native Americans used to honor aborted fetuses by using every part in a cosmetic product. We'd be wise to follow their thrifty ways.

"Excuse me maam, but I think you have some aborted fetus on your face."

"Why thank you sir"

"Was it from your lipstick?"

"No, supper"

I sincerely wish that every word they stated was cited by a reputable source. Where the hell do they get off?

I really don't understand why that's a reason not to have an abortion. If it were true, it would certainly be a great reason not to wear lipstick, but that's about all I get out of it...

Reminds me of a sex-ed teacher I had in highschool who told us that you can get HIV from kissing and that only people who have anal sex get herpes.

Thanks for the placenta info. Yikes.

I work in a clinic and I once had a patient ask me if we sell fetuses to makeup companies. That was the first time I had heard such a crazy rumor...I was horrified. See what internet research gets you? How unappetizing.

Ayla,

According to Creationist logic jesus-ponies have to be vegetarian because in the Garden of Eden all animals lived in harmony and peace with each other. If some animals went around hunting and eating other animals that would be not so harmonious and peaceful. Creation would therefore not have been perfect. Although it doesn't explain why jesus-ponies were still vegetarian after the Fall, that being the usual reason (I think) given for the existence of carnivores today.

Stephen beat me to it but the whole "reasoning" around the T-rex being on the boat and not killing people was, from what I heard from these nut cases, was that God knew enough to make the dinosaurs vegetarians while they were on the boat (stop. laughing. right. now. some people's beliefs are different than others). Once they got off they stayed vegetarian because.... well because creationists need that to happen.

Mind you, back when dinosaur remains were first discovered the religious leaders at the time panicked and decided that those bones were just "larger" versions of the animals we have today (much, much larger) until they could no longer deny that the bones were totally separate species and then they had to come up with a new story. Trust me, this is the least crazy thing I've heard from these people, in college my friend had a born again room mate who, and I quote, told us that dinosaurs BONES were put in the ground by god in order to "test" mankind and "trick" the unbelievers. I shit you not. She got upset with me when I couldn't stop laughing at her.

"...in college my friend had a born again room mate who, and I quote, told us that dinosaurs BONES were put in the ground by god in order to "test" mankind and "trick" the unbelievers."

When Terry Pratchett wrote this, it was a joke.

"What about dinosaurs?"
"God put those there to test our faith."
"Dude, I think god put you here to test my faith."
--Bill Hicks

Trust me, this is the least crazy thing I've heard from these people, in college my friend had a born again room mate who, and I quote, told us that dinosaurs BONES were put in the ground by god in order to "test" mankind and "trick" the unbelievers. I shit you not. She got upset with me when I couldn't stop laughing at her.
I had a Seventh-Day Adventist roommate tell me the same exact thing. Carbon-dating is also a trick, apparently.
Serious props, Elise, for quoting Bill Hicks. He died too soon.

Too funny and too sad.
Today's quote on my iGoogle page was quite apropos:

Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned errors.
- Thomas H. Huxley

"You just made me flash back to the Fight Club movie when they're stealing human fat for soap. I don't remember if they do that in the book."

Yes they did.

In college I was friends with fundie Christian guy who I overheard saying that women can't get pregnant unless they enjoy it so there are no babies as the result of rape. (And I suppose, consequently, if a woman does get pregnant she secretly liked it.) I yelled at him, not surprisingly. He said that's what his pastor told him.

We pretty much stopped being friends after that. The final straw was when he told me all non Christian marriages were unhappy because they didn't have God in them.

He usually kept his crazy to himself, but I could not believe the bad science and false history he accepted from his church without blinking.

SIGH!!! They think people will just believe anything they hear? That's like those "natural" cosmetics companies that claim regular mascara contains bat sh*t. *shakes head in disbelief*

I'm always astounded by the things grown adults can be conned into. It makes me think there should be some kind of a gullibility check before someone is allowed legal adulthood.

Having been reared in a fundamentalist church, I can tell you you've got the thing about the bones completely wrong. The DEVIL put them in the ground to trick us.

Duh.

When I used to work in fast food, the guy that cleaned out our grease traps always claimed that the used fat went to cosmetic companies.

Obviously it fills some deep human need to claim that women are smearing gross stuff on their faces in order to appear sexy. Not sure what that need is, though.

...and you don't even wanna know what they put in hot dogs!

but non-aborted fetuses become completely idiotic misinformed people....

I prefer my lipstick

About the placentas again, someone did say that they use animals...and even if they didn’t and used human cells its not like the cosmetic companies are hanging around maternity wards going "you gonna use that?" I don't understand how people can believe this crap. If they really used fetuses, don't you think some human rights organization would have sued the crap out of them already?

What the fuck? These anti-choicers are now trying to say that the other half need drier lipstick, because our moist lipstick comes from aborted fetuses?

Unbelieveably sad that anti-choice people would use such brazen lies to continue their reign of terror across America. They are the American equivalent of the Taliban.

I was waiting to hear something I'd never heard before, UltraMagnus, but the ol' dinosaur bones are a test of faith line is one I've heard many times.
My own father claims there's no evidence for Darwinism; they used to remind me "that's not what we believe" when I'd study for science class as a kid. Oy.

When reality conflicts with so many tenants of your faith, it's probably time to reevaluate your belief system rather than making shit up to explain the contradiction away.

My partner's a high school science teacher and when he taught in Indiana, he was told many times that dinosaur bones were something the devil/God/Jews buried to test faith. My favourite was the student who claimed that dinosaur bones and fossils were a liberal conspiracy. As my partner said, "if only we were that organized".
Students also brought in notes from their pastors saying they didn't have to learn about geologic time, because it violated their faith. And said that Catholics weren't Christian when the Pope died. Adam's mantra to his student's was "you don't have to believe it, but you do have to understand it."

Yeah, what is the teacher's point supposed to be?

re: placentas: The CVS in my neighborhood stocks a number of hair care products, which appear to be targeted to African American women, that either have placenta right there in their names or as part of the big-letter marketing text on the front of the container.

This is freaking hilarious. Really. There are aborted babies in my lipstick and virgins' blood in my toner! Read it last night and I'm still laughing now.

Also this whole discussion of the herbivorous T. rexes. Giant razor-sharp six-inch teeth for cracking coconuts. What won't God think of to test our faith?

Oh, I totally hate to do this to you all (LIE) but most red dye (cochineal and carmine) is derived from beetle shells. So BUGS on your lips and cheeks! And in your Ocean Spray Cranberry (why I stopped drinking it). Dye in my cosmetics I can deal with - useless dye made to make us all think something is more delicious - NOT so much. No, I don't know why I am such a whack job!

Ummm... hasn't cochineal been outlawed under the new EU regulations? I remember getting all sad about it because I used to love grossing adults out as a kid by always insisting on "beetle flavour" lollies.

Ummm... hasn't cochineal been outlawed under the new EU regulations? I remember getting all sad about it because I used to love grossing adults out as a kid by always insisting on "beetle flavour" lollies.

oops... sorry for the double post

Just think of how much MORE lipstick you would be able to make using the full-grown body of an adult... and we just WASTE all that by burying or cremating it when people die. No wonder makeup is expensive.

[OH WAIT, I'm sorry, I forgot that one should never bother to bring logic to these discussions, silly me! :D ]