And the anxious masculinity award goes to...
The guy who wrote me this awesomely predictable email. Classic.
I randomly came upon your website and it made me laugh so much. What you fail to realize is that ALL WOMEN ARE PROPERTY. That's why your mothers took the last name of your fathers. That is because SHE BELONGS TO HIM. I love making fun of all the cute lil' feminists around the UM, College Park campus as other scantly clad female student contradict everything they are saying. ALL WOMEN were created to serve men, thats why you get pregnant and that why you have to look attractive with long hair and make up to attract a man. One day all of you will have an epiphany and realize your life's worth is in the kitchen. In closing, whats for dinner? With superiority, Sean
Someone wants attention real bad.
By the way, if you'd like to respond to Sean, here's his email address.
Related: Check out Amanda and Echidne on Stephen J. Ducat's The Wimp Factor. Gender Gaps, Holy Wars, and the Politics of Anxious Masculinity.
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Note: to make a link to an email address, you need to include "mailto:" in front of the address, as in:
I'm aware--my MT fucked up. ;)
Obviously, lying behind Sean's "rage" is aggression toward women. I suspect this is because he's been rejected by them over and over in life.
And I did send him a short little email pointing out that in most cultures women keep their name and that some women can't have children and that - hey - with cloning around women could have children without men but men can't ever do the same. Low-blows, I know, but it's not like this guy is on a higher level of thinking.
I quite enjoyed "The Wimp Factor", but in several places I felt uncomfortable that it started generalising about large groups of men slightly too freely.
He is beyond hope. It probably has to do with not getting laid.
How on earth does long hair come into the equation?
Hopefully he's just trying to get a rise out of us, and isn't actually serious. In that case, I say don't feed the trolls.
But that won't stop me from signing him up for as much spam as I can >:-)
I get the idea that Sean probably doesn't particularly hold any views, but is figuring out how best to piss people off. Snarking people beats living in College Park, a town noted for its lack of noteworthiness.
Considering his email address and where he said he attends school, my google-fu reveals that there is a Sean Carlin [hypenated name here] of his approximate age from [city], MD. So it appears that if it's the same guy, he was given a hyphenated last name by his parents, and his parents took each other's last names.
Resentful and self-loathing, anyone? ;)
I left out the pertinent information in brackets, because I wouldn't want to encourage anyone to contact him, despite that this information is easily discoverable on the internets. That made me chuckle and I thought I'd share.
That seems to me like a pitiful attempt to get a rise out of folks. Who in all heaven and hell closes anything "with superiority?" I imagine that this fellow has been doing too much reading in the BDSM fantasy genre and probably not interacted with anyone outside of the internet for a while. Hey, Sean, put down Anne Rice's "Sleeping Beauty" trilogy and come back to the real world buddy.
Has anyone signed this guy up for NOW's mailing list yet? He certainly sounds like he'd really appreciate getting their e-mails.
Sean,
So sorry to hear about your tiny penis.
Love,
-eponymous
signed him up to momsrising...
Does College Park have some sort of Women's Center on campus? I looked through their website a bit and couldn't find anything. If someone knows of one, it would probably be a good idea to pass this info along to them in case they run into this guy.
Although I'm impressed with his impeccable grammar and spelling and sentence structure and whatnot, I'm not surprised he's attending my alma mater and writing this crap. I'd bet money that he's on the newspaper staff and is practicing his thoroughly unfunny "satire" with this email. I'm on the "don't feed the troll" side on this one.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the "84" in his email address indicates his birth year. That, and his reference to "campus" probably means that he is all of 22 years old. And for some reason, this seems to be the new "thing" with college boys - being an over-the-top idiot misogynist.
Dday, I can't remember if campus has a women's center (I think it must), but it wouldn't matter if we forwarded his info to them. There are way too many of these guys.
jessica, this isn't a new thing at all, although it might be a fad. I've been out of school for five years or so, but this is a case of same shit, different year. And I doubt it's limited to college guys.
This is so lamely typical. In between kegstands and trying to get laid by anything halfway "hot," these guys (typically frat bros or wannabes in college completely on their parents' dime) get their jollies by pissing people off (or attempting to do so), usually in the most pathetically juvenile ways. I can just see them gathered around a computer laughing about how awesome and cool and funny it is to piss off them thar feminists. *eyeroll*
Sammy-boy. Er, Sean. Whatever it is.
You apparently are not smart enough to realize that all the arguments you have just stated are not symptoms of inherent inequality but have been created and inflicted on women (by men) in order to further the myth that women are inferior. This is a lie propagated through the ages in the same manner as racism and other concepts created by selfish, morally bankrupt people who think of nothing more than their own convenience and enjoyment, and oppress other people so they can increase the quality of their own lives.
In this day and age and country, such fictions have been exposed for what they are, and continuing to hold such misguided and outdated beliefs is a mark of a childlike inability to have consideration for others rather than just for oneself. It is probably a symptom of low self-esteem, a foolish mental trick where one embraces a belief in the inferiority of others in order to gain a false sense of superiority.
Also, you may not be aware of this but men's hair can grow long too, and they look very attractive with it, and even with makeup, for that matter---consider the Pirates of the Caribbean character Captain Jack Sparrow, for example.
It is also quite foolishly arrogant to believe that a biological process such as pregnancy was created somehow solely for men's benefit. When chosen, it can result in great joy for the woman in question---and I highly doubt that most women who wish to undergo it want to do so solely to please a man. They get things like children out of it, you see.
As for the idea that we'll somehow get an epiphany about the kitchen, it has long been the dream of every oppressor to have his particular prejudice accepted by the people he exploits. It will not happen.
With much condescension and no love at all, Kyra.
...I signed him up for a couple gay porn mailing lists, since misogynists tend to be homophobes, too.
...beware the feminists... :)
Hilarious!
He's hoping his message will provoke a flood of angry, foaming tirades from the "feminazis" so he can laugh condescendingly at our tiny fury, like you would at an angry Chihuahua.
He has no clue how pathetic he is; he actually spent valuable time carefully crafting this obvious little email, just so we could laugh and ignore it for the trite rubbish it is.
Aw, didums actually think we care about his widdle opinions?
That is just so cute!
So, I couldn't help emailing the guy this morning. I received a response:
"Continue being a dike my dear, keep your hair short and keep the men away. Women don't reject me, in fact I use plenty of slutty sorority girls. That must drive you mad, women not being butchy bitches like yourself. Always know you are a second class citizen and are inferior to men."
This was partially in response to my telling him that I imagined he must be sexually frustrated and inactive. I wonder if I should forward this to the sororities on his campus so they know he called them sluts.
I know I should never have emailed the guy, but why not?
PS. I'm thrilled to see the listservs and mailing lists that everyone has been signing him up for. Much more clever than I!
Ok this guy just proved that he is inferior to not only women but human beings in general. Any person with such thinking is obviously, mmm, I can't find a word to describe him, but I honestly think that we are giving him just too much attention...
Come on, Jessica, this "Sean" is obviously just trolling. You're the blogger, not me, I have to believe you receive a ton of crappy e-mail like that. Don't you just filter it out??
"I know I should never have emailed the guy, but why not?"
Um, because it lends a sense of legitimacy to his words and his views, and gives him more opportunities to spew more of his drivel and yuk it up with his equally pathetic homies?
Seriously, sign him up for all the mailing lists you want, but please stop communicating with this person as if he can be reasoned with. Even if it's possible to reason with him, it's obvious that he's just doing this to get shits and giggles from the reactions. He shouldn't be given the attention or validation.
Oh, and responding with insults just lowers us to his level. There really is no good or useful response to something like this, that I can imagine. Maybe there are some funny ones, but I'm not very funny so I shan't waste my time on that.
Oh, dear. He is so ugly. That's so sad.
What a douche.
My first thought (and still my thought) is that this guy is being sarcastic. To me, the perfect spelling and grammar was a dead giveaway (he doesn't even confuse your and you're). Maybe I'm stereotyping here. . .The message is just so over-the-top that I don't even believe him.
I'm not going to email him personally but if I find any good spam sites I'll sign him up.
However I do think it's a good idea, that if you have this information, and those of you who have emailed him personally and gotten a response, to email the sororites and maybe even the campus newspaper and see what happens. Surely he wouldn't mind his views being public if he believes his "convictions." Most of these asshats will cave when their views are made public, right now he thinks he's just trolling a feminist website to piss us off but what would happen if it got around campus? I'm sure they'll be men (and women) who'll laugh at this but I can't *hope* that this will have a further negative impact on his social life. Cause if "sluts" are all he can get he's in for a rude awakening once he's out of school.
That should be "I can't BUT *hope*"
Hmm, I think he was insulting my husband. Lol. My husband happens to like my hair when it's short (think 2 inches long, which was how I had it when I was in the Military) even though I keep it to my shoulders. He also hates it when I wear make up, get my nails done, and even pluck my eyebrows. He prefers me to be "au naturale." I cook because I love to cook, and he cooks too. He does his laundry, I do mine and my sons.
I didn't take his last name, and I run the house, not him. I handle all of the finances (because it's fun and I like to do it).
And as far as pregnancy goes, women get pregnant because men are too wimpy to be able to handle all of the aches, pains, emotions, hormones and especially a baby coming from the body that entails with pregnancy.
Poor Sean. I guess he thinks the only way to get anywhere is to "use" those girls, who are probably using him. Sad he thinks such devices are used by men only. Those girls probably talk about how bad he was while he talks about how good he was. But, it's probably just a bluff. Guys of his magnitude aren't worth a lot and experience very little.
But it just goes to show how alone he is. And, he will never find a woman who can tolerate him if he holds such an attitude, unless he finds one of those Quiver people, or a woman who lives in the Dark Ages. Maybe he should find Jesus and join a crusade.
Ignoring blatant ignorance and hatred won't make it go away.
Ok this guy just proved that he is inferior to not only women but human beings in general.
I'm not sure how to read this. Aren't women, in general, human beings, too? ;)
Ignoring blatant ignorance and hatred won't make it go away.
I'm with the ignore this guy camp on this one. This isn't just blatant ignorance and hatred- it's willful ignorance and hatred. This guy sent that hoping to get a rise out of people. The odds are that he's just a jerk and an asshole in general, and may not even believe half the crap he sent. Guys like him don't care about what they're saying, as long as what they say gets a rise out of people. It doesn't matter how well-reasoned and intelligent your response to him is, or how well you explain what a shithead he's being, because he already knows he's being a shithead- that's his schtick. It's not that he doesn't know he's being sexist- it's that he's being sexist on purpose.
"he already knows he's being a shithead- that's his schtick. It's not that he doesn't know he's being sexist- it's that he's being sexist on purpose."
Exactly. I know sometimes you have to pick your battles, but I am starting believe that the only way to end the bullshit is to get in-your-face~ rapists commit sexual violence ON PURPOSE. Batterers use control ON PURPOSE. This Sean Carlin person is being an idiot on purpose, which is worse, in my humble opinion, than being an idiot on accident. I'm tired of filtering out the haters and the people who really, truly, need some fucking consequences.
haha sign him up for a race or gender or sexuality email list then don't feed the troll.
kpsisu, you're right. While I don't think anyone here responding to this guy will do any good, perhaps some real-life repercussions might have some effect. UltraMagnus has some good ideas, and the more I think about it, the more I want to retract what I said about sending his info to the women's center not doing any good.
I was just thinking about something else: Assuming doing so wouldn't have any legal implications, would google pick it up if someone listed his full name here along with the full content of his emails? In addition to forwarding his stuff to sororities, the newspaper, and even the school administration, linking his "work" with his name in internet search engines will have repercussions for him if his future employers do searches on their prospective employees. I hope The Law Fairy has some info about this.
heh, I bet this wanker's myspace page is already incriminating enough. *sigh* Kids these days.
If any of you have Facebook, do a search for this guy. There's someone there named Sean Carlino that has a very disturbing picture of a guy standing over a crying woman with the words "Punch her in the face to prove you're right." It's really disturbing and it says he's from UMiami. If it's him, I don't think he's joking...this really bothers me.
Yikes LPW! Okay, maybe I'm wrong. I thought it was his really, frightfully bad attempt at parody, like the kid at a university in Connecticut who wrote the editorial about the advantages of rape (too busy to find the URL, sorry).
Well, it may not be him, but it's really oddly coincidential that a boy with a name close to his and whose school has the same initials as his has such a frightful picture that pretty much proves that he's a woman hating son of a bastard that can't get it up.
Aw, look! He still thinks women are property. That's cute.
Can't wait until he gets a job and has to answer to a woman.
Hmmm. Point taken, kpsisu.
And you're right, it probably is important to call people on it/get in their faces when they're being shitheads. I think that the problem here is sort of like the problem with trolls- if you respond to it, you give the troll the validation he's looking for. I'm not sure what the solution is, but you're absolutely right, this guy being an asshat on purpose is a lot worse than someone who acts like an asshat by accident. More difficult, too, because at least you can, in some cases, reason with someone who's doing it by accident.
Hah. That was the most entertaining thing I've read all day. Jessica, stop posting and start baking some fucking cookies!
I could be wrong, but the "slutty sorority girls" might very well be using HIM. I do kinda want to forward the email to them, though.
*snort*
*snicker*
Oh, how cuuuuuute! This little guy thinks he's being original and provocative!
"I randomly came upon your website..."
Sure you did, dude.
I *know* this guy is a jerk and that we can't sway his opinion and that he WANTS people to be agitated, but I don't think silence is a correct response to anything. Maybe you can say emailing him validates him, but I say it shows him a voice. It certainly won't change his mind and no one can hope for that, but it does show him that the Crazy Lesser Women are present and effective. Sure, he may think we should all be shackled to kitchen sinks. I refuse to argue with someone like this, but I think silence is never an answer. Silence doesn't have many accomplishments in anything.
You know, on top of everything, you would just have to be stupid to send a well-known blogger that kind of e-mail without an undisclosed account. I would spam him, but I'm sure everyone else already has.
While I am all for righteously calling this guy out as an asshole, is making comments about his frequency of getting laid, penis size, and ability to maintain an erection really the right way to go about it? I mean, we hate it when people say things like "feminists just need to get laid," and while the gender dynamic is certainly different in this case (I'm not saying that the two situations are absolutely identical), I still think it has an undertone that implicitly perpetuates the idea that the ownership of a (heterosexually) functioning penis= status.
the difference is we're right.
I think the best response is to probably make the content of his Facebook account, and the emails he's sent (along with a link to this thread), known to the school administration. What he's doing probably violates campus computer usage rules in some way.
Cheers,
TH
"Has anyone signed this guy up for NOW's mailing list yet? He certainly sounds like he'd really appreciate getting their e-mails."
Never mind NOW for this purpose...
"Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam!"
;)
"This was partially in response to my telling him that I imagined he must be sexually frustrated and inactive. I wonder if I should forward this to the sororities on his campus so they know he called them sluts."
Go for it, but get a fake email (if you haven't already) so they don't give the email address you actually check to spammers and make your inbox explode.
"Can't wait until he gets a job and has to answer to a woman."
Heh.
he'll getting a lot of progressive email because of me. y'know the ones that send us updates EVERY day.
"Can't wait until he gets a job and has to answer to a woman."
Indeed. I think it's quite possible that he has to answer to a woman RIGHT NOW, whether to a professor or a boss (doubtful if he's one of those college-on-parents'-dime kids). She might be interested in his emails and might even want a word with him about them. I'm pretty sure my boss would. ;)
I think the best response is to probably make the content of his Facebook account, and the emails he's sent (along with a link to this thread), known to the school administration. What he's doing probably violates campus computer usage rules in some way.
I agree with this. Let it be known publicly, and embarrass him.
I think the best response is to probably make the content of his Facebook account, and the emails he's sent (along with a link to this thread), known to the school administration. What he's doing probably violates campus computer usage rules in some way.
I agree with this. Let it be known publicly, and embarrass him.
I think the best response is to probably make the content of his Facebook account, and the emails he's sent (along with a link to this thread), known to the school administration. What he's doing probably violates campus computer usage rules in some way.
I agree with this. Let it be known publicly, and embarrass him.
I signed him up for housekeeping tips from www.flylady.com, which helpfully sends him up to fifteen e-mails a day to help him realize his full potential as a homemaker.
That's why your mothers took the last name of your fathers.
No, actually, mine became hyphenated because if she wasn't I'd get her family name rather than my father's, and then took my father's name in full because I asked her to (in my defense, I was 6).
Not going to send this to him, because it'd just vindicate his desire to piss women off (the people who suggested sending his email to IT at his college are brilliant), however:
No actually, my mother kept the same last name when she got married. My brother and I have our father's last name only because it was a battle not worth fighting (she already had to fight for us to not be Catholic).
My hair is long, yes, in part because my *girlfriend* thinks it's pretty. Reading this makes me want to wear it up or keep it under a hat, so that dickwads like him don't interpret it as an expression of female submission.
Oh, and I do cook a lot, but he's never getting any of my cookies. : )
1. Women are property. (dis guy)
2. Property is theft. (Proudhon)
3. Theft is a sin. (Moses)
4. ...It was a close place. I took it up, and held it in my hand. I was a-trembling, because I'd got to decide, forever, betwixt two things, and I knowed it. I studied a minute, sort of holding my breath, and then says to myself:
"All right, then, I'll GO to hell"--and tore it up. (Clemons)
Ha! I sent him an e-mail titled "I COMPLETELY AGREE" to fool him into reading it, and probably even replying out of disdain for being fooled, and this is the delicious little reply I received:
You are fighting a losing battle in Texas my dear, just ask Rick Perry, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, John Cornyn, and our great President George W. Bush. I don't plan on having kids either, but here's the thing. Just because other females want to have children, be Christians, and not be bitches like you doesn't mean you should hate them. Thats cute you are in a feminist group that probably 50 people in this country actually care about, but this isn't the 1950's so shut up. Women now have rights and I know it offends you that some women want to be mothers but shut up, stop shoving your liberal, secular agenda down their throats and the throats of younger conservative women. In conclusion, keep up your hope that Hillary will be our next President because THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. And life hasn't been unfair to me at all, I'm an attractive white Christian male, anything is possible for me in this country.
In my e-mail I suggested that life would never be fair, and he should just move on, and stop being a brat. He is obviously very angry with women, for some reason. It even seems like more than failure to have sex with us.
""Continue being a dike my dear, keep your hair short and keep the men away. Women don't reject me, in fact I use plenty of slutty sorority girls. That must drive you mad, women not being butchy bitches like yourself. Always know you are a second class citizen and are inferior to men."
I was a "sorority girl" in college and I NEVER would have given him the time of day if heard this crap coming out of his mouth.
I also feel that the "don't feed the troll" rule applies here. He probably thrives on getting emails from all us widdle femmy-nists. In fact, He probably planned his weekend around this. All I can say is good luck buddy, because the women I knew in college and graduate school wouldn't give you the time of day if you spewed this crap to them.
But I do love the previously suggested ideas of signing him up for feminist mailing lists......has nayone put him on feministing's list yet??
And life hasn't been unfair to me at all, I'm an attractive white Christian male, anything is possible for me in this country.
If this is true, why does he feel the need to dump on feminists? ...sounds like someone feels threatened.
I am tempted to send him my back issues of Ms. magazine
Sorry for the triple posts, but the wheels just keep on turning.
First of all, I doubt he came on this site randomly....I would check the other feminist blogs you link to and see if he had paid them a visit.
Secondly, regarding the disturbing facebook picture, I'm sure that can be reported as it probably violates their terms in some way.
And also, why doesn't he just come here and post his views if he is SO confident that we're all just slaves to the mighty alpha male? Instead of facing us all, he's just going back and forth with Jessica via email.
Fucking coward.
Hi everyone, former lurker here...
Nice to see his use of "slutty sorority girls" is consistent with his claim to be Christian. I'm with those who say forward his email to his uni IT department - at mine, we'd ban him and fine him for violation of computer use. And probably have him for sexist harrassment for emailing you something like that in the first place.
Now I'm going to check out his Facebook page, and find some spam to sign him up for.
"I was a 'sorority girl' in college and I NEVER would have given him the time of day if heard this crap coming out of his mouth."
Furious, that's the point. He's probably NOT saying this to any girl's face. He's probably playing the "nice guy" to them, and he might even diss the "feminists" but I bet most of the sorority girls will go along with it so that they're not seen as "butch" or not "fun" in front of the frat brother's eyes and probably would have sex with him.
So that's why it's important that he's exposed publicly for the little shit that he is.
Nice to see his use of "slutty sorority girls" is consistent with his claim to be Christian. I'm with those who say forward his email to his uni IT department - at mine, we'd ban him and fine him for violation of computer use. And probably have him for sexist harrassment for emailing you something like that in the first place.
If I recall correctly, I think the email Jessica linked to was a Yahoo account. If he's not emailing this from an .edu address I'm not sure how much the school can really do, unless he did it while using on campus ethernet or something, but I'm not well versed on those policies, and they proably vary by school.
So that's why it's important that he's exposed publicly for the little shit that he is.
I'm not arguing with you there, but hopefully no woman will give him the time of day once they get to know him and see through his BS. Sadly many women do fall for the act that many unscrupulous men put on. I would love to see what if this guy has a myspace page though.
He's getting a TON of email. Trust me.
Somebody with better photoshop skills than mine should make a "don't feed the troll" sign and post it to the flickr page. I would be greatly amused.
(I tried posting earlier but the server timed out. sorry if this posts twice)
This guy is living proof man is still crawling out of the sea and dragging his knuckles. Randomly found? Oh well, he doesn't speak for the majority of men and most certainly not this one!
I say "Don't Feed the Trolls." Regardless of whether this douche is serious, he clearly is seeking the response. No matter what we say, there's no way it could possibly help us as much as it makes him happy, and my skin crawls at the notion of doing anything to make this little booger smile.
That said, I love the idea of signing him up for mailing lists... when I'm back home (and not on a work computer) I'll do what my law school roommate used to do to her high school buddy every now and then to irritate him -- sign him up for International Male, which is some kind of transsexual site.
I'm also toying with the idea of sending him something even more ridiculous and vitriolic than what he wrote (from a fake email of course), in the hopes that I might be able to shock even him... although I'm not sure how I could do it. He's probably the sort that doesn't even get eeked out by Holocaust deniers. Hmmm... maybe if I suggested Jesus was gay? That might upset him...
You could write about how Jesus was gay and a wuss for preventing the stoning of the woman taken in adultery, and that real men who know how to keep women in their place worship Zeus, that man's man who went around raping mortal women.
He might suspect that that's a put-on, of course...
EG, NIIIICE. I might have to try a variation of this :)
hehe
Let me know how it works out!
A guy named Sean asked me to post this here; he couldn't get on to TypeKey himself:
Hey, I am the Sean C from Miami that was mentioned in this thread. I have been mistaken with this other individual in Maryland that you have been exchanging e-mails with. I have never written an e-mail to anyone on this site or Jessica until yesterday when I discovered it existed. I google searched my name and found this and was shocked. I would never say any of the things this other guy who bears a very similar name as me has said. I truly respect and appreciate women and would never degrade them in any way shape or form. I realize when you did a facebook search that you saw a picture I had put up as a joke, and I took it down shortly after because I realized it was in bad taste. I apologize if anyone on here was offended by the picture as that was not my intention. I am a kind, considerate person who would never do anything to intentionally offend a woman. I wanted to make it clear that I am not the individual you have exchanged e-mails with. He is from Maryland and I am in Miami. He doesn't have an O at the end of his name and I do. Please accept my apology for the picture on facebook and understand that I am not the one who sent Jessica that offensive e-mail that sparked this thread to be created. The Sean in Miami is a good person who made a poor decision in posting a tasteless picture on facebook, THAT'S IT. I repeat, I never exchanged an e-mail with anyone on this site and did not know it existed until my goggle search. Thank you for your time and understanding. Sean. (Miami)
Come on, Jessica, this "Sean" is obviously just trolling. You're the blogger, not me, I have to believe you receive a ton of crappy e-mail like that. Don't you just filter it out??free online games