*Snerk* BWAHAHAHA! That was beautiful! *Wipes away tear*

I think they hot the nail squarely on the head when they said Horner was lonely. And the guy all but admitted he was doing it for money. What a sad individual...

While I found that totally hilarious, I dont much like the suggestion that someone does such things becuase they are "lonely". Im someone who could easily be described as "lonely", "a loner" or simply "anti-social", so I take offense when people suggest Im more likely do something like this. I dont even LIKE bars! I hardly even leave my bedroom! This discrimination against lonely people has to stop, becase its not fair anymore.

I'm in physical pain from trying not to laugh. I shouldn't have clicked on this at work. Ow ow ow.

There's a difference between a "loner," which can be self-imposed, and "lonely," which implies desperation.

That said I'll instead laugh at the fact that he looks EXACTLY like I pictured him! Hehe (yeah, I'm making fun of his appearance...sue me).

Amazing, especially the Kool & and Gang footage.

Wow. That was the best part of waking up.

This makes me wish I had speakers at work so I didn't have to wait until I got home to watch it :P

This guy is a fool, but why aren't we all supportive of his efforts? Don't we want an equal rights amendment?

This isn't about women getting preferential treatment, it's about women getting DIFFERENT treatment. If "ladies nights" are acceptable, why wouldn't discounted "men's tuition" be acceptable at universities, where men are now the minority?

We have to take a stand against small issues such as this and larger issues such as women's exemption from selective service and gender bias in insurance rates, or it makes us all look like hypocrites.

Hypocrites can rightfully be ignored. If we stand for issues that don't personally benefit us, we will be taken seriously. Look at the ACLU: nobody takes them more seriously than when they defend issues like free speech for white supremacists.

jamier, I completely agree. It makes my skin crawl that we're incidentally siding on one issue with Captain Creepy, but when you're right, you're right, even if you're only right by accident.

On the one hand: yeah, Ladies' Nights are b.s. and frankly sort of creep me out.

On the other hand: they are pretty low on the list of injustices, IMO. Even on the list of "ways living in a sexist society hurts men," I doubt this makes top 50. I don't think the segment was making fun of the issue so much as making fun of how seriously the guy took the issue, how he really believed it was discrimination on the level of what other considerably more discriminated-against groups had faced, and how he compared himself to Rosa Parks.

Also, this was the funniest thing I've seen all week. Thank you :)

The way I see it, ladies nights provide women with cheap booze and men with cheap drunk women.

Doesn't seem fair to me.

Add to that that men pay, and it becomes similar to prostitution.

"This guy is a fool, but why aren't we all supportive of his efforts?"

Indeed. And when he lines up to keep abortion clinics open and make sure victims of sexual violence receive acceptable legal treatment, I'll sign his petition. With the world as it is, and I see no reason to spend one iota of my limited amount of energy supporting him (now laughing at him--that's its own reward).

"Look at the ACLU: nobody takes them more seriously than when they defend issues like free speech for white supremacists."

My experience is exactly the reverse. Nobody finds the ACLU more loathesome than when they do this. Now, they should, because the underlying issue there is still freedom of speech. The underlying issue here is ...what, exactly? Freedom of equal spending? Ok, then. Lump it in there with haircuts and dry cleaning and all the other gendered retail injustices and I'll listen. Liken yourself to Jackie Robinson and Rosa Parks? Not so much.

As feminists, we're constantly being told how to present ourselve in order to make people take us seriously. Well, this guy has presented himself as a fool, so I'm not going to take him seriously.

I agree that ladies' nights are totally bogus, and also that they're low on the list of injustices. But I think that weird things such as trying to end them bring attention to the fight for general egalitarianism. It ain't quite white supremecy but I think it's good marketing.

EG: Lump it in there with haircuts and dry cleaning and all the other gendered retail injustices and I'll listen. Liken yourself to Jackie Robinson and Rosa Parks? Not so much.

And Jesus! Don't forget him! This is so friggin' hilarious; I died when I first saw it on the show, and it gets better each time-- the part where John turns around and looks at the camera just slays me.

"This guy is a fool, but why aren't we all supportive of his efforts?"

(chuckles)

Until these so-called "activists" oppose all gender retail injustices as a whole (which I can totally support), I'm going to just think of him as a bitter loser who can't get laid. Why the hell should I give up what may average to be a free drink a month if I'm still paying more for dry cleaning? These "men's rights" fellas are surely a selective bunch.

If ladies' nights creep you out, just don't go (freedom of choice, right?).
You won't ever see me in one of those gross Chelsea clubs, but there's a tiny neighborhood hole-in-the-wall in my quiet hood that - yes - has a Monday ladies' night! The place might hold 50 people tops, and the owners are just nice people. After taking advantage of this great "injustice," it's quite possible that if I walk a few blocks south, some Hasidic guys will pull up in an ominous station wagon and ask me where they can get a "massage." My point is, don't worry about any special privileges I might receive at this Ladies' night, because once I step outside the establishment it's business as usual, in terms of dealing with typical female bullshit.

Implying it's a form of prostitution is rather extreme, don't you think? I like to me more judicious with my terminology...I really worry that categorizing things in such extremes is just not very productive. I have what's called the "Uncle Steve" litmus test; I think of how to present a progressive idea to the token family Republican (though actually more of a Libertarian, he does tend to represent what the average American is thinking). If you said, "I think Ladies' night is a bad idea because it amounts to prostitution," he would laugh his ass off. If, on the other hand, you said, "wouldn't it be awesome if tomorrow we could get rid of all the ways men and women are nickeled and dimed according to gender?" he might ask, "well Janey, how would you do that?" thus opening a dialogue.

Steve Horner is now suing our local weekly for advertising ladies' nights, and has crawled out of the muck for further whining. I subscribe to the notion that responding to a bully just gives them the attention they are looking for in the first place, so would typically ignore this fool. On the other hand, drinking is big in Denver, and this article is likely to have a lot of eyes on it. Reading a good, solid feminist smack-down would be wonderfully educational for fellow Denverites, and who better to provide it than readers of Feministing? If you're interested in reading about Steve's latest idiocy and commenting, check it out here: http://www.westword.com/2007-05-24/news/last-call-for-ladies-nights/#comments.