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Cooking with Feminists

Okay, I know we're a little late in posting this, but it's pretty funny.

Stephen Colbert asks the tough questions, like "How can you tell whether a woman is a feminist or just angry?"

Posted by Ann - October 13, 2006, at 04:37PM | in Television

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Colbert sometimes grates on me, but that was a great bit.

It was probably just me, but I was a little put off by Jane Fonda's continued kissing of Stephen. He seemed a bit uncomfortable and I was squirming in my skin. Creepy.

But how hilarious was the idea of staging the interview while cooking? The man is brilliant.

[0+] Author Profile Page prettypixels said:

I loved Jane kissing him! He DID seem a little uncomfy but I don't think it was in a creepy way. More like a "holy crap did Jane Fonda just plant a smacker right on my lips" way. :)

[0+] Author Profile Page racya said:

Of corse he's uncomfortable. The guy's married. I'm sure his wife gave him an earful when he got home.

Ok, this whole bit made me feel a little uneasy. I laughed and everything, but sometimes it's hard to figure out what's parody and what's real. That's part of Colbert's charm, I guess. I thought it was also creepy when Fonda kept kissing him. If that part was meant to be a parody, I can kind of see it. I mean, what I got from it was that just when GS made it clear that she wasn't going to take orders from Stephen, that's when Fonda planted the first kiss. Isn't that what we see a lot of times? I mean, a woman takes a stand against something important and instead of being supported by another woman in the same boat, the "other woman" ends up pandering to the guys? Maybe I'm off base here. I thought that's what Colbert was trying to get at (hopefully... in parody). Yes, I do think that he was taken aback when Fonda planted that first kiss!

[0+] Author Profile Page nerdlet said:

He did look startled, but the piece was clearly rehearsed and probably pre-recorded. Note that the "recipe card" has "kiss the cook" as step two.

They might not have planned for it to be on the lips, though. No way to tell.

I love Steven Colbert. This segment is my favorite. Especially when he says that women like Ann Coulter make up women in the media.

I love Steven Colbert. This segment is my favorite. Especially when he says that women like Ann Coulter make up women in the media.

The whole show is pre-recorded, nerdlet, as is all late-night TV. I have no doubt that the piece was scripted, but "kiss the cook" was definitely spontaneous. Colbert's reaction is too real.

icecream threeway FTW

[0+] Author Profile Page nerdlet said:

"I have no doubt that the piece was scripted, but "kiss the cook" was definitely spontaneous. Colbert's reaction is too real."

You think they created the recipe card much later, then, as an attempt to make it look scripted? Maybe.

[0+] Author Profile Page whaleshaman said:

okay, i've watched it a number of times and i don't get that colbert was uncomfortable even a little bit -- in fact quite the opposite...they were both having a wonderful dee-licious appreciation of each other.

i saw the original when it aired & thought it was the most spontaneous portrayal of something real & loving on television in a long time. in fact i sat up & let out a loud "wow!"

i'm 60, btw, and remember when birth control even for married couples was illegal. good girls agonized over kissing goodnight on a first date [OMG!]. certainly abortion wasn't even talked about much less considered a choice.

choose love, and don't let the camel of the "taliban" get its nose under your tent.

[0+] Author Profile Page donna darko said:

That was a cute clip. I think they all got off on each other.

^
I'm not sure if I would go that far o.0

Fonda's old enough to be Colbert's mother (hot mother [omg! - did i just say that?]). The kiss wasn't a big deal.

[0+] Author Profile Page Trilby said:

Fonda is a bit older but still a woman and Colbert is a fantastically handsome man. I loved it that she kissed him on the lips. He was a little surprised, but ok with it. It seemed obvious to me that she just couldn't resist a kiss that was playfully inspired by his apron. PS- If Colbert ever stands that close to me, he BETTER be ready to get kissed.

[0+] Author Profile Page midge_ratchet said:

i feel like that whole episode was about addressing, in a kind of half-assed apology, how the colbert report frequently ignores that women even exist in the world. it's beyond parody of right-wing misogynist pundits. and did anybody catch the episode with amy goodman on it? colbert didn't even try to be funny, he just interrupted her and was mean, and then it quickly ended. i've been angered a lot by how the daily show and the colbert report completely erase women from their shows.

[0+] Author Profile Page femInst said:

I think the segment was disrespectful, what would he have done if Susan B. Anthony was sitting there-pretend to deny her, her vote? I think Steihnam felt akward, and I did not understand what they were trying to get across. I didn't even understand what they were trying to inform us about.

[0+] Author Profile Page femInst said:

P.S. all this gushing about 'Colbert' is stupid. He wasn't brilliant, it was disrespectful.

I think this segment is somewhere in the middle ground between "awesome" and "offensive." The kissing stuff bugged me a little, even though I have nothing against kissing and, like Trilby, I certainly would not mind kissing Colbert. But in the context of the show I think it would have been *much* more effective to do one of two things: either have the women go completely domestic and silly-headed (my less favored of the two options, but at least then I could believe it's straight-forward parody like the rest of the show) or have them stand up there like "WTF? He wants us to BAKE?" (by far my favorite, since very often the more liberal guests play straight man to his mildly retarded party-line-tower). Instead, it was somewhere between trying to make it a joke and trying to fight it. Gloria Steinam couldn't quite seem to decide if playing along or fighting would be the more effective approach -- she seemed to be more inclined to fight/keep a weird look on her face, but Jane Fonda completely trashed that idea the second she started non-ironically rolling out the pastry dough.

I think the sketch had promise, but could have used a lot more work. I'm a huge Stephen Colbert fan and for that reason I'm disappointed in this sketch. I know he's got it in him to pull off better execution than this.

[0+] Author Profile Page femInst said:

They don't seem aware of what was planned ahead. It seems like it just jumped out at them, and they were caught off gaurd. I think Jane Fonda (who I don't like) is just kissing Colbert because she feels akward. Here they are trying to explain a show they're doing, and what does Colbert have them do(?) -bake a pie-!The show is supposed to be about women, and here Colbert is making Gloria don an apron, and stumble through explaining their show. Awful, awful! He talked over any explanation they were trying to make about their program-I don't think he would have done that to a guy. And what's the response from feminists-'oh jee gosh, I weely luv that Colbert-he's sooo smart,' what he did was wrong, and that's how he gets away with it-sappy adoration.

femInst, are you familiar with Stephen Colbert? You do know that he's intentionally dense on the show, right? I agree that the execution on this one was WAAAAY off, but his doltish behavior was absolutely intentional, to prove a point about how idiotic the status quo is. He plays a character he's making fun of. The guy in the talk show is not actually him.

[0+] Author Profile Page femInst said:

Der...
'The Law fairy'
Naw,...
and are the puppets on the Sesame Street worked by hands too!Just because he's supposed to be 'in character' doesn't mean we excuse his every action.

[0+] Author Profile Page donna darko said:

Colbert was being ironic and subversive but wasn't as convincing as he usually is.

feminst, so are you denying the power of irony and sarcasm? Are feminists not allowed to make jokes?

You talk about him interrupting the women, etc., as though he's disrespecting them. This isn't true. He's doing it because he wants to show just how idiotic it is when other people disrespect women. Do you believe that we should never use irony to get a point across? Personally, I think it helps feminists to show off our great senses of humor.

Again, I'm not saying this was anywhere among his best efforts. But nobody is perfect, and shouldn't we spend our time criticizing men who *actually* disrespect women rather than those who make fun of such disrespect?

Yes, the point of satire is to take something unjust or offensive that most people take for granted and exaggerate it to the point that people begin to see what's wrong with it. That's what Colbert does. I agree that this skit was not flawless, but I don't know if I've ever seen anyone able to keep up with him. He almost has to be doing his shtick solo.

[0+] Author Profile Page tankerton said:

colbert always interupts his guests. He's mocking the Bill O'Reilly - Types. Every episode I have seen he mocks the guest. I love his show overall. But when he does those supershort interviews, I usually just get up for a snack. I find them akward, annonying, and they give me flashbacks to the radio-news my dad made me listen to everyday of every holiday (Limbaugh). I actually thought that he did seem to admire these women. His approach seemed a but milder. I've seen him approach his male freinds this way in a similar situation.
SLEEPY ME
he makes me laugh and laugh.....

[0+] Author Profile Page Calliope said:

Anyone who doesn't believe that Colbert is one of the most acrid critics of the state of media, government, and politics today should watch the speech Colbert gave at the White House Correspondents' Dinner (if you haven't already seen it, it's fantastic; he says all the things I hope I'd have the guts to say if I was in a room with the president and all the media).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOprXKpuVRc

[0+] Author Profile Page Calliope said:

Anyone who doesn't believe that Colbert is one of the most acrid critics of the state of media, government, and politics today should watch the speech Colbert gave at the White House Correspondents' Dinner (if you haven't already seen it, it's fantastic; he says all the things I hope I'd have the guts to say if I was in a room with the president and all the media).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOprXKpuVRc

As for this segment, I don't understand why everyone is so offended that they were cooking. Cooking with people is an act that expresses familiarity, as opposed to sitting coldly across a desk from them. I know there seems to be an element of "shoving the woman into the kitchen," but Colbert's in there too, and he's the one wearing the apron. I think the act of cooking was used to call all stereotypes into question. While the skit was imperfect, I believe it was well-intentioned.

[0+] Author Profile Page femInst said:

Would you think it was funny to deny the vote to Susan B. Anthony-as a silly skit, or make Martin Luther King take a test to see if he's smart enough to vote? How ironic, ha ha ha!He undermines what their trying to get across by making fun at their attempts to communicate what they are doing.In order for them to look like they 'get' that's its supposed to be a joke, they end up undermining (and watering down) what they're trying to say.

irony can be insulting, for example if my friend was telling me how it was hard for her to speak to me with the TV on, and (to be ironic) I yelled back-"what I can't hear you," while simultaneously turning up the volume, she would get pissed. Ha ha, how ironic.I think everyone here is so infatuated with "colbert" (gush, gush)they can't see him make a flaw.

??? I don't understand your reasoning.

If I watched a skit about Susan B. Anthony or Martin Luther King being denied the vote, if it was done right, you bet I would laugh! In fact, this would be a really effective way of showing how ridiculous -- or *laughable* -- it is to deny the vote to women or black people. You seem to in fact be saying that irony is never funny... which is a really odd position to take.

If your friend would get pissed at a little teasing, well, frankly, I am glad I'm not friends with someone that thin-skinned. I grew up around people who pulled shit like that all the time. They're called "siblings," and any adult should have learned by now that a bit of mild ribbing never killed anyone.

So, for instance, you don't find Monty Python funny? You don't find classic SNL funny? I wonder... what *do* you find funny or acceptable to laugh at?

Definately not his best work, but still funny. I don't think that either woman was offended, and I am sure that they would have said something if they were.

Oh, also: "I think everyone here is so infatuated with "colbert" (gush, gush)they can't see him make a flaw."

Have you been reading the comments? I think pretty much everyone here agrees that the skit was flawed and imperfect. We all *admit* that Colbert made a mistake, his execution was off -- so if you're going to argue with people at least get it straight what you're arguing about.

And why is his name in quotation marks? That's his real name, it's just a fake persona. But the name is the same.

[0+] Author Profile Page keri said:

hahahaha:
"How can you tell whether a woman is a feminist or just angry?"

I agree that the execution was poor, but this was obviously satire and neither woman seemed offended.

But don't women have Dr. Laura and Ann Coulter? Come on, that is funny.

[0+] Author Profile Page Ahlana said:

I actually think the point of this skit (well one of them) was to show how nice feminists can be... they aren't angry man-hating demonic creatures of evil. they are cute, loveable and holy-shyt they are kissing colbert! It was good exposure for a variety of people who don't identify as feminists to see that they are real women who aren't out to promote the downfall of society (well... most of them aren't ;)

and femInst, unlike not being able to vote, there is nothing wrong with cooking per se, which is why i think this joke flies better than one about Susan B. Anthony not being able to vote.

and for the record, Jon Stewart pwns Steven Colbert.

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