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Are we really at the point where a model not taking her clothes off is considered a breaking story?

Posted by Jessica - June 08, 2006, at 05:51PM | in Random

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[0+]  TheTruth said:

It's more newsworthy because the supermodels boyfriend is none other than Ronaldo! from the heavily favored Brasil!

RONALDINHO AND RONALDO!

[0+]  EJ said:

More than a little stupid. I guess it's supposed to be a cute fluff piece, but it comes across insinuating that her decision is odd, different, strange, and not necessarily in a good way. Sort of like she's some kind of deviant in the world of modelling.

[0+]  Esme said:

When Jessica Alba agreed to do Sin City, there were headlines reading "Jessica Alba keep shirt on!"

[0+]  noname said:

"When Jessica Alba agreed to do Sin City, there were headlines reading 'Jessica Alba keep shirt on!'" - Esme

I remember that. Why can't the media ever focus on positive news? ;)

[0+]  hujo said:

Well I typically don’t care about Hollywood or celebrity so I had no clue who she was, however after seeing her picture and reading the article I am a little bummed that she is not going to pose nude (she is undeniably beautiful) but I respect her choice and do not judge women that choose to pose nude, nudity been an admired form of beauty since the dawn of humankind. C’mon do you girls get as upset about the flawless male models in maxim and such that are posing in undies with shirts of and are presented very sexually at times?? Or do you think its kinda hot?

[0+]  EJ said:

Hujo, please. Nudity may be an admired form of beauty, but I really don't think the media is comparable to a Renaissance artist. And, no, I don't get "hot" viewing underwear ads, and I doubt many of the women here do. It takes more than the unclothed body of a complete and total stranger to get me in the mood - I prefer to bring emotional depth to my sexual encounters.

[0+]  hujo said:

Well I respect womens choices.


[0+]  angryleft said:

Me as well, EJ.

[0+]  nerdlet said:

Flawless male and female models exist only if you define "humanity" as a flaw. Most of the guys pictured shirtless in the media are airbrushed and all kinda look alike, smooth and excessively muscular. They're not as identical as female models tend to be, but still, a sterilized picture of someone who's supposed to be attractive because they fit the one acceptable hawtness ideal doesn't do any more for me than Barbie or Ken do.

[0+]  EJ said:

We all respect "womens choices", hujo (This IS a feminist site!), so you can drop the "I support nudity because I'm a free spirit and not a prude like the rest of you" act.

The concern here is that model nudity has become expected so much that "everyone" feels pressured to do it - which would imply a lack of choice.

By the way, I have never seen a male model nude on ANY TV commercial or billboard, but that doesn't stop me from seeing naked pics of Kate Moss all the time in her latest camera commercial campaign. I, for one, am tired of the constant sexualization of women in the media to sell totally unrelated products *Sleek. Sexy. Kate's not bad either.), as well as the obvious disparity between who gets to wear comfortable clothes on TV commercials and who doesn't.

[0+]  C'mon now said:

1. Dang, this is disappointing news, I would've loved to have seen that. :(

2. She needs to tell her boyfriend to quit being an idiot and getting blisters right before the World Cup -- and this doesn't exactly reflect well on the shoes you're supplying him with, NIKE.

3. Go Brasil! Happy World Cup to all! :D

[0+]  noname said:

Nike Streaker

Because you seem to feel left out.

[0+]  noname said:

That last post was for EJ, BTW.

[0+]  TheTruth said:

C'Mon Now...YAY GO BRASIL (and USA too!)

Did you see the Barcelona v. Arsenal champions league championship?

Crazy f'in game!

[0+]  noname said:

"By the way, I have never seen a male model nude on ANY TV commercial or billboard, but that doesn't stop me from seeing naked pics of Kate Moss all the time in her latest camera commercial campaign." - EJ

"And, no, I don't get "hot" viewing underwear ads, and I doubt many of the women here do. It takes more than the unclothed body of a complete and total stranger to get me in the mood - I prefer to bring emotional depth to my sexual encounters." - EJ

I agree with you. However, most men (including me) do get "hot" just by looking at pictures of unclothed, sexy strangers. Maybe that is why you see more naked women in advertising then men.

[0+]  Katie said:

unfortunately noname, that is a very good point. while i dont agree with sexualization and objectification of women perhaps us feminists need to look at the fact that naked men just dont help sell products to women. i for one was FAR more pissed off at the debeers ad that had a picture of a huge engagement ring and said "have your single friends live vicariously through you".

also, perhaps if the showed a larger range of sizes when advertising half nude women it may even be a good thing in a weird way.

nevertheless, i think we should look at WHY nudity sells with men and not women.

also, i dont like men getting on here and saying stuff like "i prefer to bring emotional depth to my sexual encounters". it sounds like a pickup line to use at some feminist gathering sorry.

and i for one often DONT want emotional depth to my encounters and that statement just seems to scream "women want me to say things like this so i will". the funny thing is, most girls i know would laugh if a guy said that.

sorry that just rubbed me the wrong way, no pun intended:)

[0+]  TheTruth said:

Actually, oftentimes when a nude woman is depicted, it is to sell something to women.

(For example, the lotion advert that was posted here the other day was probably not intended to sell lotion to men...)

Same goes with Kate Moss, you might notice she's beautiful and nude, but at the same time notice that she's selling "Chanel". I don't know many men that get a hankering to go spend some money at "Chanel".

[0+]  noname said:

Katie - You are absolutely correct. There is a big difference between discussing how things are and discussing why they are that way. As for men using that line, I was actually quoting EJ. Is EJ a man (my bad for assuming EJ is a woman).

The Truth - I guess you blew my argument out of the water. Maybe a more complete version of what I said earlier would be that advertisers use images of beautiful naked women to sell sex to men and insecurity to women? To tell the truth, this actually seems rather obvious now that I write it down (and is certainly not an original idea).

[0+]  TheTruth said:

I think you're on the right track, but it isn't selling insecurity to women, but rather exploiting their insecuritys and selling them sexiness.

(i.e., buy this product and your body will look like this)

I don't think "insecurity" sells that well. But selling "security" does.

Just like a Hardee's hamburger won't get a man laid, Chanel clothes won't make women look like Kate Moss.

[0+]  Katie said:

I know you were quoting EJ noname, no worries. I for one assumed EJ is a man actually so i could be totally wrong as well:)

[0+]  noname said:

The Truth - Right again. You got what I meant, even if I did flub the wording horribly.

[0+]  Raging Moderate said:

Katie,

"also, i dont like men getting on here and saying stuff like "i prefer to bring emotional depth to my sexual encounters". it sounds like a pickup line to use at some feminist gathering sorry."

What does it sound like when a woman says it? Sounds like condecension to me.

[0+]  chem fem said:

well apparently women can't write about the game either....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5064360.stm

This guy was a 'spin doctor' for the government?

[0+]  Katie said:

i would tend to agree with you raging moderate. i think it hints at condescension towards women who may not really care about that given the right circumstance (like myself). in addition to condescending it sounds a tad judgemental as well, however if the author of that quote is indeed a woman, theres a good chance she didnt mean it in that way. its very easy to take things WAY out of context on the internet.

[0+]  EJ said:

Katie, read before posting. Hujo asked if we women get "hot" looking at naked male models. I said that, no, I don't get "hot" looking at male models - emotional depth is more important to me than a naked body. Ergo, it is logical to assume that I am a woman.

Even if I'm not a woman (I am), it is irresponsible to dismiss my words as tripe to pick up feminist chicks. I don't dismiss your posts and I would prefer you do the same. As a matter of fact, I prefer to sleep with people whom I have an emotional connection to - I find the sex is much more pleasurable and satisfactory. You are welcome to disagree and feel that a naked body is all that is necessary for you, but I was responding to a post asking for my opinion.

I "appreciate" that there are naked male models (especially outside of America, which is a bit peniophobic) but they are a minority. Nude women are used in advertisements all the time. I am also not suggesting that it doesn't "sell" as one poster noted - of course nude women advertisements are successful! Otherwise, they wouldn't be utilized. My point was, instead, that models shouldn't be so PRESSURED to perform nudity such that a young woman saying she won't becomes a newsworthy item.

[0+]  hujo said:

They are only pressured with money, they make the choice to pose or not, not the imaginary patriarchy, so you should be blaming the women for ruining society with their shameful naked bodies.

These type of models are not in porno, these kind of models do very tasteful nudes using stunning professional photography. It may not take as much time and effort or be as impressive as the renaissance painters, but it is the modern extension of nude paintings.

A tastefully done nude photograph can be a thing of beauty and is defiantly considered an art form.

I was not pretending, I am all about women’s choices, rather peoples choices, and if a woman chooses to pose nude for money, I do not judge her. If a woman chooses to blame men for women choosing to pose nude, I do make a judgment call. Misandrist.

[0+]  hujo said:

It is lame that it is a news story sure, but i suspect there may have been rumors that she would be posing nude or somthing, i dont know? does anyone remeber the whole brad pit playgirl thing? Women like it too!

[0+]  sojourn said:

I am a woman and I am very much turned off by images of starving women like kate moss.
My girl friends and I do get "hot" by looking at husky nudes. But they are pretty hard to come by, except in gay magazines. Everyone just takes it for granted that girls are not visual and they are not going to want to see nude male models. Did they ever try to see if it works that way? Maybe, Just maybe, alot of girls have just subconsciously suppressed such desires in themselves.

Oh, and I don't necessarily need emotional depth for my sexual encounters. So please don't generalise.

[0+]  EJ said:

Hujo, once again you are trolling. I never even MENTIONED "men". I said that models are pressured by society - last time I checked, society had women in them too.

Do the models have a choice? YES. That's the difference between PRESSURE and FORCE. I'm astonished that these basic words are so confusing for you.

If (in theory) 70% of all female modeling jobs are nudes, an upcoming model has a choice, absolutely, whether to accept one of those jobs or scrounge the remaining 30%. However, should she do so, her career will surely suffer. This is the choice she makes, but it is a tragic outcome.

[0+]  hujo said:

My girl friends and I do get "hot" by looking at husky nudes. But they are pretty hard to come by, except in gay magazines.
I find hustler has a lot of sexy husky women, as well as a lot of lesbian "scenes"(canadian hustler anyway)

EJ
Outside of the *yawn*troll*yawn* comment, fair enough. Though I am sure you are aware of those sentiments in feminism? Catharine Mackinnon?

I think those stats are because the porno industry employs the most female models, simply because it is the larger industry with the lowest overhead and their product is cheaper to make and easier to mass produce. So yes if a porno model chose not to pose nude, I can agree it would definitely hurt her carrer. I don’t know if a runway models career would suffer for not posing nude, no doubt she would get more exposure (hee) and more income, but it still is her choice to turn that down if it goes against her values so perhaps a personaly inflicted pressure but the choice is all thiers.
I mean no nudity in maxim or other sexualized model magz for men, and they are very popular magazines for both men and women. Just my opinion. :)

[0+]  hujo said:

Oh wait Sojourn! Did you mean husky men? I've only heard men described as husky as a euphemism for being obese, where with women I’ve known it is a term for a shapely full bodied hottie! So sorry if that’s what you meant and I have no idea where to find husky men sorry!

[0+]  pamps said:

ej's individual preference is consistent with womens ON AVERAGE. women;s sexuality is more diffused, and men's tend to be centered more on visual stimuli than womens

that is why, among other reasons, that visual porn that caters to men is such a bigger seller than visual porn that caters to women

men's sexuality is more oriented around the visual - women;s is more diffuse

individuals, of course, vary

[0+]  hujo said:

Interesting
I don’t know if male sexuality is so much generally centered on visual stimulus as sparked by or aided by it. Any guy can get off without the porno; I sometimes think men don’t get enough credit in the area of sexual complexity. Speaking for my self I fantasize while watching the porn, or w/o and my fantasies and scenarios and turn-ons are very diffuse and complex. I think it comes down to primal mating rituals. The women of the human species are the natural exhibitionists. It doesn’t mean men have not evolved beyond the primal urge to procreate at the sight of a women sexually displaying herself, it is just still there, and porno usually is just that an aid to stimulate that ancient biology, this is why it is usually so cheap and so bad, the lowest production values out sell the playboy and plot porn greatly. Visual stimulus is a tool but not the be all and end all to male sexuality. Male sexuality is very diffuse and complex I think some women get the wrong impression about what porno means to a guy and that it misrepresents male sexuality.
I am picking nits I will shut up now (just find it interesting)

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