I have spent a LOT of time on the Trinity campus (it is beautiful and has the best old fashioned movie theater with a balcony and a curtain) and that the girls you see in the picture look like trinity girls in general. I myself could be in that photo and not stand out. So I'm not sure where your disconnect comes from. Feminists can be traditionally beautiful as well. I protest, write letters to the editor, blog about social issues, as well as model in both print and on the runway. I don't shave but I dye my hair and wear eye make-up.

I've always believed that being a feminist meant that I got to choose. And that all women got to choose. I choose to be smart and pretty.

I could be wrong, but I thought she was referring to the, um... lack of diversity, rather than the fact that the girls were all wearing makeup.

According to Trinity's website, 19% of the students are "minorities" (no explanation of what that means), which doesn't seem to be the case in this picture.

I'm sorry. I think that it was a poor knee jerk reaction to an argument I often have with two "crunchy" feminists that I meet at the coffee shop almost daily. They like to lecture me about my fake nails and short skirts as being "anti-feminist".

About the fact that they are mostly white I don't think is something that the girls at Zeta can be faulted for. More a commentary about Trinity itself. It is a VERY white school. In fact, in thinkking about the one aduit class I took there I can say that there were some Asian students in the building but I can't remember even one black or hispanic face. I don't know why this is, but Trinity is a very preppy white school.

Sorry about the reaction. I know I should just shrug of that kind of talk but after a while it does get to me, a discounting of my views because of how I look. Isn't that what feminists are fighting to put a stop to?

Hey, that's all right with me. It's easy to get a little touchy with issues that we have to deal with EVERY SINGLE DAY. It exhausts me. For what it's worth, I've never thought short skirts and fake nails made one an anti-feminist. Thinking women are inferior to men makes one an anti-feminist...

At least three girls in that photo appear (to me) to be minorities. An oriental, a latino, and some other indeterminate heritage (fourth one over from the left). I never was good at math, but wouldn't that be 21% minority? No offense, but that's better than what's represented here.

an "oriental"? i won't even touch that one. and i love the idea that someone is mulling over the pics trying to figure out their "indeterminate heritage." but i guess i shouldn't expect much more from someone who tried to make a case for "white pride."

So it's wrong for whites to be proud of being white, but it's okay for blacks to be proud of being black. It's wrong for a sorority to not have enough diversity, but it's okay for feministing to not have diversity. Just making sure I understand your point of view on these things.

And what's with the remark about the girl of oriental heritage? Does oriental not count toward the measure of diversity? They can't force black girls to join just as you can't force black women to be editors/posters on this site.

Or maybe I'm entirely missing your original veiled implication about the picture.

Dishes are oriental, you ignorant racist, not human beings.

I've never quite understood why it has become politically incorrect to call someone "oriental." The word "orient" just means "East," in the same way that "occident" means "West." Hence, "oriental" just means "Eastern," which seems rather accurate since it applies to people/things that come from the Eastern hemisphere. Why should the word only apply to things like dishes or rugs? Can't a person be of "Eastern" descent as easily as a plate can be "Eastern" in style? Would you be offended if someone called you "Western" (i.e., "occidental")?

okay... there's a lot to unpack here...
let's start with one thing walt pointed towards... which is the editorial board of feministing... my best friend forever is not white and is on the feminsiting editorial board, which is made up of four people... even if everyone else is white (an assumption), that's still a greater percentage than the school in question. that's absurd, though, 'cos this ain't really about numbers... 'cos my bff sure isn't a number to me.

then, as far as the "white pride" bullshit, you can try to respond to the debasing of your argument in your original post...

this is actually tied in a great deal with what's wrong with the term 'oriental'. both 'white pride' and 'oriental' carry a titanic weight of cultural baggage. outside of fringe apologist white intellectual rhetoric, 'white pride' means and always has meant 'white supremacism.' 'black pride', on the other hand, has had a greater breadth of meaning and, overall, black pride/black power has been a lot more about equality than supremacy - even at its core.

further, whenever a black pride activist has spoken up with words of hate regarding other people, s/he has caught flak... i mentioned this in response to your previous misguidedness and it still stands. mind you, criticisms of institutional racism, railing against the government, working to bring light to the modern-day consequences of a slaving past, etc. are not hate toward anyone.

as far as 'oriental' is concerned, the term is often objected to on grounds of perspective. the term was widely used during and is widely associated with imperialism by european (and, later, north american) powers in north africa, the middle east and asia. the conotations of the word through the mid-1900s have been generally derogatory, associated with ignorance, reduced mental and physical capabilities, etc.

also important is that the term is absurdly vague, pretty much referring to all of asia and arabic speaking regions. the reductionist aspect of this is quite distasteful to plenty of people.

finally, what's the point of arguing something like this? i mean, if you call someone a name that someone doesn't like to be called, isn't it just proper manners to stop? i mean, really...

I thought her obvious anti-male point was that there was a guy in the picture (i.e., guys are always trying to score by joining female organizations because the odds are good). I found that reference more offensive than any of the racial stuff mentioned above. Maybe he just wanted to join an organization where we felt comfortable and accepted. He might even be gay. It isn't apparent from the picture. I mean, really. Try not to be sexist.

Oh see now, I thought it was the overabundance of pink.

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