If there was no demand, there would be no prostitutes. The johns are the root of the problem. The hookers are just meeting the demand. Simple economics.

I just got through doing a paper for my grad stats class using a dataset of male clients of female prostitutes gathered in western cities with programs similar to this one. I do think that all sides of the prostitution equation need to be addressed for the safety & well being of the sex workers and to curb underage prostitution and sex trafficking. But, like was said, you can't just focus on street prostitutes. also, most programs assume a heterosexual encounter, which is not always true.

Pimps & clients do need to be studied. research & data about them is scarce, though. i criticized the dataset i used, however, because the survey itself was so slanted toward men; wording questions to remove any agency from prostitute; creating an air of victimization. plus, the guy who gathered the dataset has published several times from it, basically to say that johns love fellatio (cuz they dont get it at home) and that johns aren't violent...so why do prostitutes report so much violence? sigh. you can see why i was irked about the dataset...

i live in Las Vegas, and a cheap, hourly motel just got shut down for acting like a 'housing pimp' for street prostitutes. part of the reason police started investigating was due to the large number of calls about 'domestic' violence. the prostitutes said they used the motel because it was cheap & safe & condoms where provided.

~studying gender & the sex industry in LV

The treatment of hooker/john seems to correlate well with the treatment/punishment of drug dealer/drug user. Dealers get much heavier prison sentences/fines, etc. Users usually are penalized less. My guess is it's because you take one dealer/hooker away, you cut off many johns/users. You penalize one user/john, well, that's only one user/john.

The main reason why law enforcement focuses more on streetwalkers is because of the negative impact it has on the neighborhoods. Nobody wants scantily clad women loitering around their homes or having sex in cars parked in their neighborhood. Nobody likes finding used condoms on their front lawn, and street level prostitution has far greater occurances of drug addiction, physical abuse, coersion desperation and pimping.

Escort Agencies, Independent sex workers and massage parlors have been getting busted for over a hundred years, though, and the number of arrests are steadily increasing under the current administration. The feds not only give funding to police departments who cooperate with their mission; they're even getting involved in enforcement using laws such as the Mann Act, to arrest women who transport themselves across state lines for immoral purposes of their own volition.

I don't understand why a woman's right to choose what to do with her body should not apply to prostitution. Why should a consentual arrangement between two adults that takes place behind closed doors be frowned upon- especially when its perfectly legal when done not for profit? And why is sex still seen as degrading to women? As long as we continue to perpetuate the notion that sex is shameful unless confined to a consentual relationship, we will never be equal to men.... not unless men become ashamed of their sexuality, which will never happen.

Put them all in jail, I'm for equal treatment for criminals.

I don't believe in coddling criminals, regardless of whether they're male or female.

As long as we continue to perpetuate the notion that sex is shameful unless confined to a consentual relationship, we will never be equal to men.... not unless men become ashamed of their sexuality, which will never happen.

Posted by: FrenchKiss at May 11, 2005 07:23 AM

You seem to imply sex isn't shameful if it's not in a consensual relationship. Well sex outside of a consensual context is commonly referred to as "rape" and that is surely something the rapist ought to be ashamed about. That is nothing one ought to be proud of doing.

And sex outside of marriage is, in God's opinion, and therefore my opinion, abomination and disgusting. It's covered in Hebrews 13:4

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

I've been offered sex before, multiple times, and I turn it down. First of all, I tend to think that promiscuous women suffer from emotional damage, possibly abuse by their fathers at a younger age, and as such, I'd feel wrong taking advantage of their emotionally fragile state. (I tend to believe that almost all promiscuous women have major emotional issues). Also, I've never been one to think fornication is ever acceptable.

I'll only sex once I get married. That's just the way I am.

"You seem to imply sex isn't shameful if it's not in a consensual relationship. Well sex outside of a consensual context is commonly referred to as "rape" and that is surely something the rapist ought to be ashamed about. That is nothing one ought to be proud of doing." -Millitant Calvinist

Well don't I have egg on my face? I started off along the lines of "any consentual sex is okay" and switched over to "sex outside monogamous relationships is okay" and somehow got mixed up in the shuffle. But its nice to know that you took the time to read my long-winded post.

Sex without consent (or by someone too young to give consent, legally) is NOT okay. And to be fair, I don't really think that as long as both people are willing its always okay. I think it's unconscionable for a husband to engage in risky sexual behavior with another woman behind his wife's back. I also think that sex addiction is a problem, and would advise any person who feels he or she has lost control over his/her urges, and can't stop despite negative reprocussions to his or her financial, physical and/or emotional well being, or relationships with family and loved ones; to get help.

That's the only ethical dilemma I, personally, face in this business, and I really try my hardest to look for signs and to discourage anyone who has these concerns from seeing me or other working girls.

I don't believe in God, though I do respect other people's right to their opinion, and would not begrudge you from living according to your own spiritual values (even though I can't seem to get the same courtesy from too many Christians).

I am quite familiar with the Bible though, and I do think that much of what is written in there serves as a good moral compass for life. You may have noticed that the bible was written by many people over hundreds of years, and it contradicts itself all the time. Personally I was far more impressed by the teachings of Jesus such as forgiveness, charity, compassion and not passing judgement on others. According to the Christian bible, it is up to God -not man- to pass judgement, and you are no more equipped to do so than I.

When the bible was written, there was no birth control or paternity tests, so sex outside of marriage presented a huge problem. It was important to bear offspring to populate the tribes, so homosexuality and sex during menstruation contradicted that. They needed people to bear children within the structure of a family (children do better with two parents). Now we are headed for a population nightmare, so sex without offspring is beneficial and feasible thanks to birth control.

I think it's funny how people today eat pork and wear clothes woven from two types of fabric, but still cling to the "no sex outside of marriage." If we were to adhere to the principles put forth by Jesus we would love our enemies instead of blowing them up, and we would give all our money to charity and live simply like Jesus did.

If you're right in your beliefs, I will be rotting in hell for all eternity. But unless you start loving all of mankind (including those you don't agree with) and stop casting stones, having faith that God will sort it out in the end, then you may very well wind up joining me in the firey pit.

Now we've both gotten off topic. You seem mighty concerned with rules for someone who selectively observes them.

First of all, you state "Sex without consent (or by someone too young to give consent, legally) is NOT okay. And to be fair, I don't really think that as long as both people are willing its always okay. I think it's unconscionable for a husband to engage in risky sexual behavior with another woman behind his wife's back. I also think that sex addiction is a problem, and would advise any person who feels he or she has lost control over his/her urges, and can't stop despite negative reprocussions to his or her financial, physical and/or emotional well being, or relationships with family and loved ones; to get help."

I want to know, do you think that a wife ought to be allowed to sleep around behind her husband's back? Since you seem to imply adultery is only a male problem... I think that marriage is MUTUALLY faithful or it's not marriage at all. I believe, as scripture teaches, adultery is a criminal offense worthy of great punishment.

Matthew 10:34 (kills the idea of peace and loving everybody)

Matthew 12:32 (kills the idea of universial forgiveness)

If you want to discuss this more in detail,

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Oh as for the population nightmare, I don't believe that Europeans are overpopulating the planet. Europeans in Europe, South Africa, Argentina, USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand (their lands) are dying off at such a rate that their pathetically low birthrates are not replacing them. As such they are being swamped and overrun, displaced as well, by third world "immigrants" (invaders) and if this trend continues, then the demographic genocide that Dr. Lothrop B. Stoddard predicted so long ago, will become a reality.

I don't believe that the First World is overpopulated, I think that Westerners aren't breeding enough.

I personally plan to have somewhere around 6-12 kids, and I already have some of the names thought out.

My first son is going to be Isaiah, second son will be Ezekiel, third son will be Jeremiah, fourth son will be Malachi.

I know it has been some time since the last post on this topic. However when I came across this information, I could not resist, but writing what I think.
Bottom line, it's very basic, if two people are enjoying themselves and noone is hurt in the long run, in that case it is their business.

All of these discussions about the bible and this and that.. it's all just a bunch of babble. Bottom line, men will always want to enjoy women in a sense, an vice versa. However, this has been a man's world for the longest time. Afterall, even in this country it has not been too long that women have been aloud to vote. Women have been overlooked and mistreated by men in every possible way through out times. Who knows, before you know it, men will have to prostitute themselves to women in order to survive.