Aside from the main reasons this comment is offensive, anyone else find it creepy how he's describing the rape in so much detail? Just because he's enjoying the mental image of brutal, ravaging sodomy or whatever doesn't mean I want one.

What about all the women who have been savaged or even killed by their so-called safe and legal abortion?

Jason,

All surgical procedures carry risks. /All/ of them.

Walking down the street carries risks.

Eating and drinking carries risks.

I don't recall nominating YOU to keep me safe from the possible consequences of MY choices.

RowanCrisp's response to Jason, seconded.

And what about all the woman who have been savaged or even killed by childbirth? You plan on arguing for continuing a pregnancy to be illegal too?

Actually, I had it pointed out to me once that carrying a pregnancy to term is actually _more dangerous_ than an abortion. I've lost the link, but you may be able to hunt around and find it.

Jason: For your information, if all the anti-choicers would cease their antics, most abortions would occur within the first 6-8 weeks (with follow-up care) of pregnancy, thereby obviating any real risk, also the whole process would far more "natural" for all, including the embryo.

Not that you need to know ... I happen to think abortion is a heinous choice to have to make, and no woman makes this choice without heartache. What do you care about the quality of life that child will have ... you are all great at changing laws, but what do you really do but exert your will upon others ... bloody control freak, is all you are.

Anti-choicers are absolute religious zealots, have you any idea how difficult it must be to produce a child & raise that child in a loving environment in a country that does not offer proper ongoing healthcare & education for all. When they start doing something about these inequities maybe people will listen.

Your country should be ashamed of itself for the miserable state of healthcare, at least my government gives every newborn $3000 soon to be $4000 dollars to start, provides free, quality healthcare and gives mothers ongoing child payments (for those earning under $50,000) until age 18. Access to university is "free" for all until such time, you earn over a certain amount after having completed your degree, at which time scaled repayments start. Moreover the government "pays" you whilst you are studying, not much but enough. And for those without a partner it provides so much more.

Your comment was totally crass and without merit. Trite but true, be a part of the solution, not the problem.

Not all Pro-Lifers are religious zealots. Witness http://www.l4l.org/

Don't know what country you're from, but I hope you're not holding Canada up as a model for U.S. health care to follow. It just doesn't make sense, we need a libertarian system for health care.

jason,

you're full of ish... just about every stable democracy outside the u.s. has accessable healthcare for everyone - usually on a sliding scale where, if you make under a certain amount, it's free...

yeah, backwards spots like germany, great britain, france, the netherlands, cuba, should i keep going? are you fucking crazy?

sure, healthcare's mismanaged in canada... it still works for the most part.. however, considering that just about every other developed nation in the world has some variant on a single-payer system and we only hear y'all going on about canada makes me take pause. can someone spell "bait and switch"?

so, yeah... your talking points... er...
well, maybe everyone's not "entitled" to healthcare... or food... or shelter... but i'd like to live in a society that does provide the basics for everyone - it just strikes me as civilized...
that aside, providing healthcare for everyone is actually in the best interest of even rich fucks like us who can afford it... because the biggest threats to human beings are epidemic illnesses (flus, tb, aids, hepatitis, polio, chickenpox, syphilis, etc.) which are spread from human to human... providing healthcare for all people reduces the risks of even the wealthiest people, since that seems to be what you're really concerned with.

anyways, i'd love to see that list of abortion casualties you linked to in chronological order - see what density of abortion-related deaths fell in the periods where abortion was illegal... so you could see what your 'compassionate' bullshit really boils down to.

peace and blessings

hey jason buddy! really liked your anti universal health care remark there. i'm from canada and i know the benefits that this healthcare can provide. how bout like when my friend had premie twins and they had to stay in the hospital for 2 and a half months with weekly 2000$ each medication. don't think they would be here right now. and healthcare is a right. who will benefit from paying for healthcare? noone!
i mean...ppl have a right to live. can u just imagine being turned away from the hospital because you can't pay to survive.
as far as i am concerned the U.S. is the richest country with the one of the worst social systems. even egypt with a corrupt government has a better socail system. obviously abortion isn't cool there and the healthcare may be totally third world but at least people can live! i've known ppl who went to NY and said that they've seen more poverty there than in Khartoum Sudan.
there's my lil rant!
arab4lyfe
salem!

"healthcare is a right."

Interesting. I thought that slavery was bad, but apparently, you have the right to force a healthcare provider to work for you. Or is it just that you have to right to take my money by force to pay them to work for you thereby stealing my labor and enslaving me? And of course, it goes without saying that the "rich" don't have this "right".

I think you may be unclear on what a "right" is.

Is the "libertarian system for healthcare" thing sarcastic? It can be summed up, without losing a single element, in two words : "no system."

No Jason I am not in Canada, although my brother is ... and as Sarah said ... they provide brilliant healthcare. I am in Australia, and same applies here too.

My proposition to you was, instead of jumping on some anti-choice bandwagon, do something to improve the plight of those who abort their children for no other reason than lack of finances, then you might earn a little respect. But no, all anti-choicers care about is shoving their point of view down somebody’s throat with very little consideration of the fallout. And they are all by definition; religious zealots. The comment you made. In essence it’s the same as those who try to pass off so called intelligent design as science. Just because you wrap something up in a pretty bright new package with bells on … give it a spin-doctor tag … it’s still the same shit, from exactly the same arsehole, whether it’s poop, faeces, excrement or #2. Why not initiate a sponsor system for pregnant women, those who want to, but can afford to keep their child … you might make people stand-up and take notice, something like 20 anti-choice families helping a mother to raise her child … nah, you are all nothing but great big wankers, rather spend “millions” on court cases, than fucking do anything constructive.

The US has state of the art technology, money to burn (rather to blow-up), yet in human terms, one cannot, be but completely appalled at the total and utter lack of healthcare etc available to all. Read a few medical boards, people not seeking treatment through lack of insurance, for what are essentially serious public health issues MRSA, MDR-TB etc. Then there are those, who are unable to seek treatment for all manner of health problems, pregnancy included, struggling with all manner of ailments, most of whom are employed. Gee, one guy had a dirty great big hole in his head, losing his vision … he was actually employed, injured on the job… and yet he couldn’t seek treatment due to lack of insurance. Fuck, if somebody here was injured whilst at, on the way to, or from work, more than likely they would receive a huge pay-out, not to mention immediate and ongoing treatment, inclusive of mandatory pay until such time as they were able to resume work.

I don’t get it; the US has such wealth (actually flaunts it), spending more per capita (at least double) on healthcare than any nation in the world, yet to little effect. Its citizens are ultimately just fodder for the system, like some gigantic organism, undulating, seething, oozing and consuming its citizens without a care for the collective good. Citizens, who probably, in terms of “western” industry, work harder and longer than anyone else, yet reap scraps in return. Open your eyes and stand for something that will make a difference, instead of singing the same tired old hymn.

And Seth, healthcare is a right! ... just like you expect all the infrastructure that you currently enjoy as a right ... ie water, sanitation, electricity, roads, gas etc ad nauseam. If it is not paid for directly, it is paid for indirectly for the benefit of all ... for fucks sake, if you catch TB off some person who happens to breathe in your airspace, you'll soon be whinging about why weren't they treated. Why do you think developing nations are exactly that (apart from being used as fodder for US corporations)... they are so busy trying to survive, there is fuckall time for anything else ... and it all starts with access to healthcare. You know the US used to have malaria, typhoid, yellow fever etc of epic proportions it was only improved sanitation and healthcare that turned the tables. As for slavery ... well I think that speaks volumes about the value the US places on human life. And noone makes money in this world without interacting with others, we are, whether we like it or not, all depentant on others ... if it weren't for the water board workers (or whoever you have) we'd all be up to our heads in SHIT.

And damn Keynes for edifying Roosevelt!

a couple of more points -

one, sorry for not standing up for canada, don't really know much about it except that neocons always complain about wait times as an excuse to back away from a single-payer system. nuff respect.

as far as the universal healthcare = slavery for doctors... ha-fucking-ha... i mean, really... the hmo system going on right now is seriously screwing doctors... i have several friends who are doctors or in med school and it's harder than ever to pay off loans and get secure in the states... nuff folks are now getting degrees in law, too, so they can go work for the real moneymakers in the industry.

finally, as far as the "healthcare is a right" thing... well, sure, you could argue that healthcare's not a right, if you'd like... but then you can also argue that safety and national security aren't "rights" either... where does that get us?

Yes puckalish and I'd like to add further ... I don't know about Canada, but Australia (yeah everybody whinges: human nature) is currently ranked 3rd in respect of life expectancy and where is the US mmmm ... oh let's see ... about 24th way, way down, past all those awful countries with free healthcare ... oh and when you need a blood transfusion ... just spare a though for those who donated that you might live. Oh and I don't recall Florey making a fortune from antibiotics, his was a scientific & altruistic quest.

When you are old and decript, no longer able to earn a living and some investment company has misappropriated all your savings ... or misfortune befalls you, struck down in your prime ...full of your own self-importance. (puckalish: "what do you expect from a pig, but a grunt.")

first off, excuse me for being discursive, but i couldn't resist...

not true,

thanks for bringing up the whole blood donation issue. i think this is a key problem with the free market healthcare system in the united states. commie pinko scumbags have instituted a blood entitlement system, removing the profit motive (and, therefor, competitive heart) from the very key blood economy.

not only do i think blood donors should be compensated, they ought to be compensated based on a number of key factors, such as:

• income (rich blood is a premium)


• experience (in this case, i think less experienced blood should be more heavily compensated due to both its rarity and density of platelets)


• diet (of course, blood fed on higher quality food prepared by great chefs is more competitive blood), supporting documents (original dated receipts, etc.) must be provided


• race (suceptibility to various diseases must be weighed and it's obvious that intelligence is inextricably tied to skin color)


• religion (jews, as we all know, have dirty blood)

hope someone enjoyed reading that as much as my bitten nyc-azz enjoyed writing it.

You know, if Napoli said it, then he should stand by it. A website I frequent for my trash novel fix is starting a google-bombing campaign to commemorate Napoli's words of wisdom. If you'd like to participate in this noble endeavor, simply

LINK TO http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/billnapoli with “Bill Napoli” as the anchor text.

If enough people link, this will be the first page that shows up when someone googles his name.

BTW, the whole project is explained here:

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In other news, the level of detail in Napoli's comment gives me serious shivers. He sounds positively turned on. I fear for the women of South Dakota. They are always welcome to migrate to the great state of California, where we have yet to give in to the fundos.

I think that pregnancy is eleven times more like to kill you than abortion.

Unless you're talking about unsafe back-alley abortions, they're REALLY likely to damage you somehow.

I think that quote is disgusting, anyone who's been raped is going to be traumatised no matter what.

I have an idea. How about... you stop trying to make me have a baby, or pay for it yourself? Do all the work. The cost of abortion in the US is roughly $500-800, whereas the cost of pregnancy is $3000 WITHOUT complications. Then it skyrockets to more like $54000. Not to mention that I think anyone who would willingly pay 500 dollars for an abortion over $5 for a pack of condoms shouldn't be reproducing anyway.

Way to be pro-punishment!

puckalish....please tell me you're kidding.

Please tell me you're kidding about dirty jewish blood

and

Please tell me you're kidding about skin color meaning anything but the color of skin.

These are the most foul and ugly things I've seen written in a long time. You make me sad and angry at the same time.

Seeing that your ignorant azz could be serious, allow me to invite you to provide anything substantiated that supports your comments.