"In the past, the sexual degradation of women was confined to the bedroom and the brothel. But now, gender objectification permeates our culture. It is flaunted at college campuses, on the Internet, on prime-time TV, and during Super Bowl half-time shows. And it is done at the behest of women."

And *this* is the closing paragraph of someone who starts an article with the line "Advisory: This week's column contains adult language. And nothing is made-up"? Apparently that is the best they can do.

Do they think that as long as women pretend we're smooth down there like Barbie dolls, then men will buy into it and all sex and therefore rape will just go away?

Yeah, patriarchy wasn't that bad. Everything was hunky-dory when girls were married off in their mid-teens and barely had an education. It was ever so wonderful to force women to have multiple pregnancies against her will and lack of access to proper medical treatment. It was nice to force women into back-alley abortions. Everything was great back when a husband could beat and rape his wife and daughters. Or force them into prostitution, deny them a higher education, deny them equal pay for equal work, deny them a promotion based on their sex, making it nearly impossible to divorce their husbands, ban them from running for public office or even voting. Yep, patriarchy was grand.

And yes Amanda, rape will magically go away, you big silly ;-)

Indeed that was a piss poor attempt by the anti-feminists to paint pre-women's liberation movement as "okay" and "not-so-bad" for women and girls. And is it just me, or did it seem as if that post was trying to make it women's fault for rape and misogynist degradation of women's bodies? Idiots.

I never understood the argument that if we allow homosexuals to marry then we must allow bigamy and pedophilia because it is the same thing. How is allowing two consenting adults to marry each other the same as screwing children and forcing women into multiple marriages? How is consent linked to blatantly non-consensual relationships? Most of our law is based on a "reasonable man" theory, being that a reasonable person with a drop of common sense would agree with it. I consider myself a reasonable person and I do not see a relationship between two CONSENTING adults as being the same as pedophilia and bigamy. It seems these words are used to whip the masses into a frenzy, like using pictures of dead fetuses at an anti abortion rally. Have an arguement that is weak?...well get a pithy buzz phrase or scary picture. Sorry for the rant, just reading some of the comments on that article made my head burn.

I'm from a certain pro-men board which discusses how men get shafted in divorce court, when females act badly in the news, crappy female behavior, humour and other things. One thing I can not agree with is that marital rape laws need to be thrown out. Someone actually had the balls to question, "Why not rape your wife? She has no right to deny you sex?" Personally, I think that's sick. Rape is a violation of a person's rights. The trading of marriage rings does not symbolize the woman becoming the man's property but rather symbolizes two people coming together who will mutually love each other and work to make the relationship work thus making sex happen naturally and without force. If you have to rape your partner, then why the hell are you with her?
It does not make sense to me. If your partner is witholding sex from you, try to make things right. Get them to open up and try counselling. But if they still ignore you, then just divorce them for loss of consortium because their frigid and cold shoulder is an obvious indication they do not love you anymore. Relationships can become strained for sure but abolishing marital rape laws is not the proper band aid.

One more thing about when sex in the relationships go bad. I suspect some men want rape laws out because they don't want women to get into a marriage, purposely deny them sex, drive them away and then take their shit through divorce court. And yes there are vindictive females who enter marriages with the intent of leaving with money rather than getting a job, which they should be welcome to do since feminists have allowed to happen in this modern time. Since it happends quite often, what else are men supposed to think of women? So that's why when men divorce these sick, cold, calculating women for loss of consortium, they get to keep everything that is theirs and the woman gets nothing of theirs. Maybe that way, some of these nasty women will pull their heads out of their asses and realize they can't manipulate men.

Woman like you guys are all the same. Avoidence at all costs.

I would rather marry a thorn bush than a feminist. Luckily 95% of the worlds women are tripping all over themselves to marry me. So I'm pass on you ladies!!!

The Patriachy is going nowhere ladies. Is here now stronger than ever!!! We will never go anywhere and marrying Uncle Sam is not going to help your cause. Someday he will suck the life out of your communist movement!!!

Drew brought up some interesting points but I HAVE to say something.

If anyone, man or woman, marries someone who robs them blind it is their own damned fault.

Humans SUCK at pretending to love. We just CANT do it because love is something that escapes medical, psychological, ethical, and any other definition or science that tried to study it.

You know if you are in love and if the person who loves you really does.

I can understand if a partner has been forced into marriage out of an abusive, fear filled, relationship.

But someone who just married a con artist?

You had it coming. Quit bitching. You were stupid and you pay the price.

Sorry. End rant.

Verlch: 95% eh? I wonder if your future bride will be ok with not getting off, ever. men like you SUCK in bed. It takes a feminist to rock the bedroom. (meaning male and female feminist) Any woman who doesnt accept herself as an equal and would demean herself in such a way as to marry the likes of you, probobly isnt very sexually liberated. Thsi means sack of potatoes in the sack. That = bad sex for you.

Ha.

Feminists win again.

"But someone who just married a con artist?
You had it coming. Quit bitching. You were stupid and you pay the price."

Funny how when women get taken to the cleaners by a male gold-digger they blame the man for being a jerk. And if a woman takes him to the cleaners, he's an idiot. Females are never accountable.
But let's take this logic further. Let's start blaming women who get abused by their boyfriends. Yeah, let's blame the victim. What's that? Women don't do that? They give each other support and unite in calling him an abusive jerk thereby placing blame on him? Yep. That's right. They do. Once again, females are never accountable.
It's bullshit like this that produces men like Verlch. You did this to yourself ladies. Maybe if you knock off the double standards, there will be less Verlch's that spawn as a reaction to them.

*Let's start blaming women who get abused by their boyfriends. Yeah, let's blame the victim. What's that? Women don't do that? They give each other support and unite in calling him an abusive jerk thereby placing blame on him? Yep. That's right. They do. Once again, females are never accountable.*

Are you taking issue with women blaming men for their violent actions? You're pissed that women don't hold themselves accountable for being abused? I know this may be shocking news to you, but anyone who gets abused isn't to blame, the abuser is. Please tell me you're not arguing otherwise!

Yes I am because I've seen and heard it happen. You blame the man for being fooled by a woman who acted in love with him but wasn't; you blame the victim. Yet you refuse to be logically consistent and blame the woman who got abused and didn't see it coming.

I refuse to blame the victim in any case but you make the one exception when it comes to a man bein deceived by a gold digging woman. You blame the victim there. This double standard thinking is the exact kind of bullshit that produces men like Verlch. As I said before, you did it yourself ladies. You demand equality on one hand and then piss on it later on when it suits you.

I'm not really sure what you're talking abouy when you say "you blame the man for being fooled by a woman who acted in love with him but wasn't," cause I never said anything to that effect.

But remarking that a woman "should have seen it coming" when it comes to abuse is pretty fucking reprehensible.

Guess it wasn't you who said this,
"If anyone, man or woman, marries someone who robs them blind it is their own damned fault."

It was someone else on the board who had the double standards. Someone who was an idiot. Sorry about the mistake. But tell me this. You may not have said anything to that effect, but what is your opinion to that effect? Do you have double standards like that?

And by the way, you seem to have missed my sarcasm when you quoted me out of context. I said that to make a point that blaming a victim is wrong yet that one girl didn't hesitate to blame a male victim.

I've gotten plenty of women off...I don't need a sexually liberated women (who has been in hundreds of positions) to express anything to me.

If your so equal than why do I get the shaft when you leave me? Alimoney and child support.

Why are 69% of Americas single mothers below the poverty line? And Its our fault is not a good answer, sister.

You can't turn equality on and off whenever you please. Either your a lady and you deserve chivalry, or your snibbeling feminist that thinks she is a queen bee and gets no extra special attention.

You American woman have alot going for you. Most women in this world don't enjoy but 2 % of the luxeries men have gotten you in this country. Yet you march on and think you have acheived your independe from man only to Marry Uncle Sam. Your in bed with the government that only wants to profit off of your labor! So get to work ladies, there are lots of taxes to be paid, and we need cheap labor, which you ladies provide with plenty!

"I've gotten plenty of women off...I don't need a sexually liberated women (who has been in hundreds of positions)"

Don't forget hundreds of beds.

Wow, Amanda, Psycho-Adrienne, Famous names from "Bitch Magazine." - I'm honoured.

Actually, I was thinking about doing a production "The Penis Monolugues"

Quote: "If anyone, man or woman, marries someone who robs them blind it is their own damned fault."

The laws of this country are completely biased and bases a womans word (97% of women lie hourly) as "the" truth. The system has been perverted to give women MORE rights then men.

Quote" Humans SUCK at pretending to love. We just CANT do it because love is something that escapes medical, psychological, ethical, and any other definition or science that tried to study it."

Wrong. You suck at LOVING. You were raised and educated in an Anti-Male society that taught you to hate yourself. Why?
Because you suck as a man, and it's not natural for you to be one.

Oh, and the difference between hard core femi's and real women.... real women Are soft, curvy and feminine, and not constantly nagging, bitching, and confronting... Nature baby...Don't like it here? Move to Afganistan.

Period.

At least a Burka keeps you from getting judged by your looks...maybe these ladies should move to Afgan country baby!!!!

Wow... holy cuntfear! It's fascinating how people like our good friends and allies Verlch, Drew J, and the author of the original Redstate.org post take such issue when we're vocal about our control over our own vaginas. Like Jean Kilbourne said about sex, our reproductive systems are so much more important and so much less important than they are portrayed.

Like with the above displays of alleged masculine prowess and "skill". If you can get me off and that's all you're gonna do for me, guess what, I'll drop 20 bucks at my local sex store and get your otherwise useless ass out of my life. Why would you think that any sort of sexual "skill" could make up for being a jackass (hypothetically speaking)? And as for me, if I were willing to waste time with a jackass just because s/he could do things with my vagina that I liked, I'd be reducing my identity to a bunch of nerve endings.

As a nod to my wonderful, wonderful darling of a Drew J, I would ask you to kindly grace us with an eloquent elaboration on the relevance of a woman's number of sexual partners to the validity of her arguments. Seriously, what was your point?

But penis envy turned out not to be envy of the organ but envy of the power that its possessors held. Likewise, I think that talking about vaginas, except in the area of health, is generally a symbol for the larger issue of the experiences that stem from being people who have vaginas, and that in turn inform who we are as just individual people. From that perspective, the ado that our Redstate.org pals are making
about vagina T-shirts and voting vulvas is ignoring the larger discussion. They get to feel smug because now WE'RE the ones doing it to OURSELVES!!! Oh silly us. We are intelligent women who have become "convinced that it was good to be treated as sex objects". And they don't see that what we're doing is allowing ourselves to become sex SUBjects. I mean that in the grammatical sense -- we're the actors now, not the acted-upon.

To its owner, a vagina is both more and less than that as which it's culturally perceived. The agents of sexism seem unable to accept that where our bodies are concerned, we are the ones who ought to be determining the vocabulary and direction of the dialogue. God forbid they relinquish control for once...

By the way, I thoroughly enjoyed the blog's mention of Steinem solely in the context of Playboy. The whole thing, actually, was laughable but the sad and scary thing is that people are out there taking that shit seriously.

"Like with the above displays of alleged masculine prowess and "skill". If you can get me off and that's all you're gonna do for me, guess what, I'll drop 20 bucks at my local sex store and get your otherwise useless ass out of my life. Why would you think that any sort of sexual "skill" could make up for being a jackass (hypothetically speaking)? And as for me, if I were willing to waste time with a jackass just because s/he could do things with my vagina that I liked, I'd be reducing my identity to a bunch of nerve endings. "
And yet so many women run back to jerks. I can think of other reason for it other than they are fantastic lays. But you ladies shouldn't have to feel bad since the sexual revolution was about making the label slut as great as the word stud. And hey, you if you want a nice guy, take the route so many modern women are: Marry a nice guy and then cheat on him with another guy. Then claim that you just weren't communicating or that you drifted apart. Oprah taught you that.

"As a nod to my wonderful, wonderful darling of a Drew J, I would ask you to kindly grace us with an eloquent elaboration on the relevance of a woman's number of sexual partners to the validity of her arguments. Seriously, what was your point?"
Well Dana, first why don't you grace me with an indiation of where I said that effects one's arguments.

"the ado that our Redstate.org pals are making
about vagina T-shirts and voting vulvas is ignoring the larger discussion. They get to feel smug because now WE'RE the ones doing it to OURSELVES!!! Oh silly us. We are intelligent women who have become "convinced that it was good to be treated as sex objects".
Well you may not think of yourselves as sex objects, but that's what women who have a great body and share it a lot but don't have an attractive mind reduce themselves too.

"To its owner, a vagina is both more and less than that as which it's culturally perceived. The agents of sexism seem unable to accept that where our bodies are concerned, we are the ones who ought to be determining the vocabulary and direction of the dialogue."
Must...ban..."slut" from vocabulary...to not...make...suts...feel guilty. I am woman hear me roar...rape a man in...divorce...court...leave him...broken...on... the floor.

Dear Mr. Drew, it appears you have been deeply hurt by a manipulative woman or at least know someone who has. I am deeply sorry that you had to suffer such an experience. As a part of being equal, it is important to acknowledge that both men and women are capable of cruelty and manipulation. Many people have a psychological condition that causes them to behave in this way, others are acting out of anger and/or fear. As a sixteen-year-old survivor of rape and abuse, it is sometimes difficult for me not to fall into the trap of believing that all men are dangerous sociopathic rapists out to hurt and use women. It makes it simpler to stay "safe" that way. Through my healing, however, I have learned that men can be just as (if not more sometimes) compassionate and kind as women. There are many overlooked injustices in the world, unfare divorces, rapes, abuse (by both men and women), the sex slave trade etc. Despite all of this, it's important not to give up on the other sex entirely because of pain from past experiences. This only gives the person who hurt you more power over your life. I hope that healing comes to you soon, Mr Drew. Take care.

Dear Mr. Drew, it appears you have been deeply hurt by a manipulative woman or at least know someone who has. I am deeply sorry that you had to suffer such an experience. As a part of being equal, it is important to acknowledge that both men and women are capable of cruelty and manipulation. Many people have a psychological condition that causes them to behave in this way, others are acting out of anger and/or fear. As a sixteen-year-old survivor of rape and abuse, it is sometimes difficult for me not to fall into the trap of believing that all men are dangerous sociopathic rapists out to hurt and use women. It makes it simpler to stay "safe" that way. Through my healing, however, I have learned that men can be just as (if not more sometimes) compassionate and kind as women. There are many overlooked injustices in the world, unfare divorces, rapes, abuse (by both men and women), the sex slave trade etc. Despite all of this, it's important not to give up on the other sex entirely because of pain from past experiences. This only gives the person who hurt you more power over your life. I hope that healing comes to you soon, Mr Drew. Take care.